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I'm Not Mad, Just Disappointed, And Also Mad

You should be embarrassed.  You fucking louses.  You rubes.  You play 3 of the top teams in the league, hold leads in all 3 games, and then piss it away?  Don't give me any of that, "Well, we showed we could play with them," bullshit; fuck that noise.  You proved that you don't have what it takes to make the playoffs this week.  If you can't beat the San Jose Sharks when you're up a goal in the middle of the 2nd on the power play, if you can't beat the New York Rangers up a goal in the 3rd because you gave up a penalty shot to Michal Roszival, if you can't beat the Detroit Red Wings up a goal with 3 1/2 minutes left, then you deserve whatever scorn comes your way.  You carpetbaggers.  I don't want to hear that the goaltending has sucked, that you outshot both San Jose and New York, I don't want to hear that you're young and still learning, I don't want to hear any of that shit; the fact of the matter is that you're all guilty of laziness and cowardice and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Kopitar, I'm sick of your shit.  I don't care that you're playing better defense this season or that you're getting better creating space in the opposing team's zone.  You're supposed to be the best player on the ice whenever you take a shift and you aren't even close right now.  Yesterday, Detroit's announcers mentioned that you weren't a guy you build a team around (at least not yet), and I almost got upset before I realized they were right.  You used to be, but you're not right now.  Man the fuck up and achieve greatness.

Brown, what the hell are you doing?  You're a Goddamned power forward, you're not fucking Marian Gaborik.  See what happened yesterday when you put your head down and went towards the net?  It's a lot more effective than skating backwards through the zone and taking a dive when someone hits you, isn't it?  Cross the line between good and evil and get fucking mean, man.

Frolov, you know I love you, but what the fuck are you doing out there?  You're playing like you're covered in goo.  I tried to count the number of times you fell down and lost the puck yesterday but I ran out of ink.  You're the most talented player on the team, fucking play like it.

Doughty, I don't give a rat's ass that you're 19, you can't blow another fucking game like you did against San Jose and Detroit.  Letting the puck bounce over your stick (allowing a clear cut breakaway to Patrick Marleau), stupidly passing the puck through the zone (allowing a scoring chance to Nik Lidstrom and an eventual goal)?  You're not 19 in my eyes, you're the Kings' #1 defenseman.  The free passes stop here.  And score a fucking goal, please.

Handzus... you're playing quite well.  Keep up the good work.

The worst part about this is that you guys are actually quite good now.  Sure, the goaltending sucks, but you have 3 good lines right now that can all score and defend, pretty solid offensive and shutdown D-lines, and a good coach that seems to have the pulse of the team.  It's not last year, where you could excuse losses by pointing out that you just weren't talented.  The problem is a moral one, and right now you people don't deserve to wear that crown on the front of your jersey.  Maybe that doesn't mean anything to you, but it means everything to me.  Get it together, right now.

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I’m not even sure that the tragedy was really in this past week’s results — more that they point to the tragedy this summer when Lombardi decided to not spend any money on this team. Every single game is now tainted with the “what if” syndrome — what if Lombardi had gotten another defender (and dropped Doughty down to an easier pairing), what if Lombardi had gotten a top-six forward to help out Kopitar and his friends, and what if Lombardi had manned up and gotten a franchise goalie?

We’ll probably never really know what impact a few million could have had on the Kings, but I think this past week we got a sniff of what could have been. Way to save some dollars, DL.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Dec 21, 2008 1:20 PM PST reply actions  

Khabibulin? I seem to remember a few people calling me out after I said the Kings needed a veteran #1. There is talent in the pipeline, but it is not going to be ready anytime soon. Overpay someone for a year or two to hold the fort until you are ready to give Bernier the reigns.

by pj48 on Dec 21, 2008 3:05 PM PST reply actions  

Kopitar

How can you be so hard on someone that invites his parents to live with him and makes pancakes???

by anonymous1 on Dec 21, 2008 3:41 PM PST reply actions  

I finally bit the bullet and “signed up” for ANOTHER blog.
Who took my “cristobal” screen name?
Anyway, I applaud the fiery (why isn’t it spelled “firey?”) critique.
The problem I have is that Murray is losing these games, despite all the positives he’s brought.
Sure we’re playing pretty good defensively as a team.
But there’s at least as much talent here as there is in Chicago – outside of goal.
When will someone, anyone, approach Murray face to face and ask why the hell he continues to skate Ivan and Zeiler EVERY GAME? Against Detroit, no less.
I still believe Lombardi should go hire Igor and get him in here as an assistant – I don’t care if we pay him more than Murray.
We’ve got some good players here and they’re being played out of position.
Simmonds is great and I love the kid, but for now he’s clearly a 3rd or 4th (what a concept) line guy.
Throw Brown out with someone other than Calder on his wing and see what happens – like Fro/Zus/Brown.
Is this that difficult to figure out?
We’ve got every player on the team committed to playing defense, so why can’t we have 4 lines that are balanced?
We’ll lose nothing by sitting Ivan and Zeiler, or by at least breaking them up and letting them ANCHOR (and you know what sense I mean anchor) two proven players.
I also love Doughty, but he’s cost us more than 2 games. Early in the season he got whipped by Smythe in the Colorado game, and the Calgary game he blew coverage on Langkow even though Murray tried to blame that on Kopitar not “digging in.”
And finally, where the fuck is Brian Boyle?
This kid had one bad game (anchored by who else but Ivan and Zeils) and gets shipped out to Manchester.
We seemed to be doing a lot better with Boyle in the lineup from what I remember.
I guess you have to be big, slow, punchy, and have no up-side to get a regular start for the team, not that you’re going to see more than 6 minutes or anything in the 3rd.

PS – Maybe if you don’t have capable goaltending the game-plan ought to be “outscore” the other team instead of “limit them to 16 shots and lose 3-4 in the shootout.”

by the eight-O-five on Dec 21, 2008 5:22 PM PST reply actions  

Nice rant. I TOTALLY agree about Fro. He’s leading the team in goals but why does he look like he’s skating in molasses?? Protecting the puck used to be his thing, now he’s giving it away … a lot…

by Connie Kim on Dec 21, 2008 5:28 PM PST reply actions  

I’m going to have to go ahead and disagree strongly with all of the comments so far except Connie’s. Earl, I know I argued with you in the offseason about Lombardi’s lack of spending but it would have been completely pointless to sign a bunch of players in the offseason like we did last year. One, Simmonds, Harrold, Doughty, Moller, Purcell, and Ersberg might not have gotten a shot. We wouldn’t have had the opportunity to see how they all play, and much like the Rangers, it wouldn’t have been our young core’s “team”. There is no garauntee that whoever we signed would have made our record any better, and then everyone would be calling for Dean’s head for more stupid signings.
Pj, again, Khabibulin would have been pointless. Although I like him a lot, there is no point in paying a goalie 5 mil and denying Ersberg a shot (at the start of the season). Ersberg is 26, so he doesn’t have a whole lot of time left to make an impression (which I think he has). It would have been great if Labarbera would have been worth a shit this season, because then the Kings would have gotten something for him possibly at the trade deadline. Now, probably not, but it was worth it for that possibility. Now, Khabibulin is kinda the the de facto number one in Chicago so we would probably have to give up too much to get him and I would still rather go with Ersberg when he’s healthy and maybe give Quick and Bernier a shot. Finally, Murray is not the reason we lost these games (well, maybe a small part, but not the main reason). These guys need to learn how to win a game. As soon as we get a lead in the third we are playing not to lose, and that almost ensures that you will. You have to bury teams, but we are playing scared and will continue to lose in those close games (and I will punch more holes in my wall) until we figure that out.

by Nut on Dec 21, 2008 5:59 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks and I totally agree. After last season’s questionable free-agent signings, I was hoping that Lombardi wouldn’t go out and sign more guys. And the the Kings are operating within their own in-house budget so it’s not like Lombardi is looking to make huge signings as of this point. If the trading deadline comes closer and the Kings aren’t completely out of the hunt, THEN maybe Lombardi looks to make a move. Although we all know there are talks and rumors flying around all the time.

I still don’t understand why people want Khabibulin in LA.

by Connie Kim on Dec 21, 2008 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I still don’t understand why people want Khabibulin in LA.


Khabibulin could have been had for something off the top from Chicago, and you are right that Ersberg would not have had as long a look with him as the #1. I don’t know why you would not want him in LA after consecutive goalie rotations of LaBarbera-Ersberg-Aubin-Cloutier-Quick-Bernier-Taylor and Garon-Cloutier-Burke-Brust-Fukufuji.

If the choices are Khabibulin-LaBarbera, Garon-LaBarbera, or Ersberg-LaBarbera, I go with option #1. Lombardi did not lock down Garon and he did not make a move on Khabibulin when Chicago basically had a yard sale sign in front of the arena. Mistake.

I followed LaBarbera probably more than any other goalie in the AHL in 2006-07 and I overestimated how well he would perform at the NHL level. I have spoken with a goalie coach who has mentored one of the prospects in the system, and I have seen a lot of Fukufuji in the ECHL. About the only guy I had not seen a lot of was Bernier, and with all of his international play and his play with the rookie tournaments it was pretty easy to get a look at him.

It was dead on obvious the Kings were going to struggle in goal this season and have some holes on the blueline. They have put up some wins this season, and looked good in a few losses, but the offseason problems were not addressed. In a crowded media and entertainment market like Los Angeles, I thought you try to put a winning product on the ice to boost attendance and increase ratings. No one hear has even mentioned the salary cap, at the start of the season the Kings were the only team challenging the salary floor.

A lot of this is just my opinion, and I have a very high opinion of Dean Lombardi, but I do not understand what Los Angeles was doing at the start of the year and it has pretty much played out to script. You could make a prediction that they will battle hard for the 8th and final playoff spot and lose, and you would have a pretty good chance of that coming true. That is why a lot of fans were calling for a #1 to be signed in the offseason.

by pj48 on Dec 21, 2008 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

In a crowded media and entertainment market like Los Angeles, I thought you try to put a winning product on the ice to boost attendance and increase ratings.

You’re thinking of a different team. L.A.‘s strategy is to spend as little as possible so they can increase payroll next year (at this point, I don’t know if I even expect them to add anyone — raises for Kopitar / Johnson / Greene will probably qualify as next season’s "improvement"); then when fans don’t come they sell lower bowl seats for $11.50 (limited time only!).

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Dec 21, 2008 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t know if I even expect them to add anyone

Do they have to? You’ve said that time and time again about the Kings getting one or two free agents. The route Lombardi’s going doesn’t have that option as being one that should be relied upon. Getting the young players up and running is fine by me. I kind of see the new tradees as the free agents for this season in that they were signed after we traded for them. Maybe it’s that I don’t like to play the armchair GM game since I don’t have all the facts. None of us do unless we’re Lombardi’s right hand man.

I thought you try to put a winning product on the ice to boost attendance and increase ratings.

How do you propose this to happen in one season? Sign another 5 free agents? And if they fail like they did last season? Off with Lombardi’s head? Is that where we’re going with this?

by Connie Kim on Dec 22, 2008 12:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Do they have to?

Recent results suggest that they do (or at least could have used an addition). The thing is — they could have added someone this year rather painlessly. Next year with the raises already in place that becomes a much harder thing to do.

And can we stop with the 5 free agents thing? Nobody I think is suggesting a Tampa Bay makeover here. There’s lots of good players on the Kings, and I do agree they could contribute to a winning team very soon. I’m talking about adding a singular player (you pick the position) that could be inserted at the top of the lineup and push youngsters down into more logical roles. For some reason, that notion pisses Kings fans off, but I don’t know why it’s unreasonable.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Dec 22, 2008 12:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m talking about adding a singular player

Huh, for some reason, it always seemed like you were talking about more than one free agent in the previous times we’ve discussed this.

by Connie Kim on Dec 22, 2008 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, if I were a Kings fan I’d prefer they added a defenseman and a goalie, but I don’t know if I’ve ever said five. Whatever — it’s just that I’m against the notion that it’s impossible to improve a team through free agency — in fact, I believe inserting talent at the top of the roster improves team success a great deal. The Kings opted out of this fairly voluntarily, and now are reaping the rewards.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Dec 22, 2008 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

it’s just that I’m against the notion that it’s impossible to improve a team through free agency

Maybe you should be more receptive to building teams by other means. =)

by Connie Kim on Dec 22, 2008 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Ugh. I don’t mean exclusively, but free agency is a component to team-building — plenty of successful franchises have utilized it.

Bottom line: the Kings had plenty of dollar-opportunity to improve their team, plenty of on-ice need to improve their team, and did not take a stab at using that opportunity to improve their team. We can argue about good and bad UFA examples all day, but doing nothing has had a predictable payoff, one that I’d be less-than-pleased about.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Dec 22, 2008 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Earl, I know I argued with you in the offseason about Lombardi’s lack of spending but it would have been completely pointless to sign a bunch of players in the offseason like we did last year.

OK, don’t sign a bunch, but why not one? Why not two?

If indeed Doughty is in over his head in key situations of big games, then why would it be a bad idea to bring in a hired gun to do that? I understand being gun-shy because of bad signings in the past, but I doubt that the solution is to not sign anyone who has the gall to earn a significant paycheck. Tell me the last cup contender that went with that strategy.

Finally, Murray is not the reason we lost these games (well, maybe a small part, but not the main reason). These guys need to learn how to win a game.

Oh, I see. It’s not a coaching issue or a personnel issue. Must just be that guys aren’t concentrating enough.

Whatever, if Kings fans want to keep paying while their general manager clearly doesn’t, no skin off my back. Just keep waiting until the guys in-house “figure it out”, I guess. Hope they aren’t overly expensive by the time this winning concept clicks.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Dec 21, 2008 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder if it isn’t a problem with owners sometimes acting just as if their hockey teams are any other business, and they can plan ahead as easily as they can in other businesses.

Last year, some Montreal fans figured that the reason Montreal was going with Price and Halak (got rid of Huet, even though he was playing well for them and both other goalies were youngsters) in goal was so that Price could get the experience in the playoffs that would set him up to win a Cup in their centennial year. I read fans of other teams sometimes planning out the future of a team with projected points totals for these players, and how many wins they can count on for this goaltender, so they need to plug this particular hole with a veteran, their first-round pick from two years ago can step into this other hole, and there you go – a perfectly balanced team that can score, defend, has a nice mix of veterans and young players, and will be competitive for a few years in a row – then someone rips his knee to shreds tripping on a golden retriever, and someone else needs shoulder surgery after he slipped off a ladder cleaning his gutters, and someone else gets mono, and the entire plan is shot full of holes.

Maybe the Kings had a pretty detailed blueprint set out, involving the team being so poor that no free agent could help, but everyone would develop at a faster pace with so many minutes, and now the entire plan is thrown off because the team is playing better than anticipated and now it’s too late to easily acquire one or two other players to really solidify the team, so they have to rely on what they have because they didn’t plan on doing as well as they have for a couple years?

Or not. I just think it’s funny whenever someone has an elaborate and rigid five-year plan for their team to achieve NHL supremacy, when all any team can do is try the best to win each year and be ready to adjust at a moment’s notice.

"A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." -- Tennessee Williams

by Baroque on Dec 22, 2008 4:36 AM PST up reply actions  

involving the team being so poor that no free agent could help

It’s not that the team is poor; there is a budget that Lombardi was given to work with and that’s exactly what he has done. Are people forgetting about this budget? Who imposed it: the owner? the CFO? Only they can say for sure, but it’s what Lombardi needed to work with and I think he’s done a pretty damn good job with getting a team together for this season (within budget) and working the plans out for next season as well.

Does this mean the owner is cheap? Possibly, but you could also say “smart.” Granted the budget was put in place before this economic downturn, but now the Kings don’t have to stress about costs, salaries, budgets, etc like other teams that are operating at the salary cap ceiling.

by Connie Kim on Dec 22, 2008 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Are people forgetting about this budget?

I don’t believe that it is set in stone, and I have a LOT of trouble believing that a market like Los Angeles merits the lowest spending budget in the league. I haven’t heard a decent explanation why Los Angeles should have a lower budget than (insert any NHL city here, and I’d assume that even non-NHL cities would spend more than that if given the chance).

In my mind, it’s an absolutely nonsensical budget, but if you think that it is appropriate for selling hockey in the L.A. market, then you’ve got more tolerance for self-imposed failure than I have.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Dec 22, 2008 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I haven’t heard a decent explanation why Los Angeles should have a lower budget than (insert any NHL city here, and I’d assume that even non-NHL cities would spend more than that if given the chance).

Please call the CFO for this answer. When you you get, report back here. I can’t explain what they’re doing and I never said I thought it was appropriate. I’m saying that it’s set and now they have to work with it. I feel like you’re twisting things around here.

by Connie Kim on Dec 22, 2008 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Nut.

You must be a nut to believe what you’re saying.
An established Cup winning goalie wouldn’t help this team?
You have a problem with Lombardi spending money on a good goalie?
You have a problem spending money when we have the cheapest team in the league?
You agree that Frolov isn’t playing well?
You deny that Murray is costing this team games and blame it on the young players?
The players cannot set the lines or choose the starting goalie in Buffalo or Detroit.
The players cannot call real NHL prospects up from Manchester and play them without Ivanans, Zeiler, or Armstrong on the wing.
The players cannot put together a 4th line capable of taking a shift with 10 minutes left in the game when you’re leading.
And I’m sure the players can’t figure out why Raitis Ivanans is playing against Detroit.
Don’t forget this happened against Detroit, Calgary, Toronto, Phoenix, Colorado, and Edmonton.
The writing has been on the wall for months now.
Get a real 4th line with some of these kids and they’ll adapt and start scoring. They have scoring potential.
HERE IS THE FUCKING 4TH LINE

Purcell – Boyle – Lewis

Calder – Stoll – Simmonds
Moller – Handzus – Brown
Frolov – Kopitar – O’Sullivan.

Change them around whenever you want.

by the eight-O-five on Dec 21, 2008 7:01 PM PST reply actions  

HERE IS THE FUCKING 4TH LINE

C’mon dude, it’s the Kings. Take a deep breath and relax. This is only gonna cause you to develop an ulcer. I agree that the 4th line is shit right now, but don’t kill yourself over it.

by Connie Kim on Dec 22, 2008 12:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree that if the right free agent/trade came available, that the Kings should have done it. The problem was, there weren’t any of those guys (at least free agents) that would have really helped a whole lot. Does Khabibulin put us in the playoffs? Maybe, then first round exit? We could have way overpaid for Mike Commodore like other teams, but Lombardi got a better option in O’Donnell. Do we make a trade for Eric Cole (look how thats working for the Oilers). Lombardi tried to get Blake back but we know how that went. I still would have liked our guys to get the experience this season.
Yes, the coach has to get the team ready for the game and has a lot of responsibility for morale on the team, but its ulitmately up to the leaders on the team to pump up there guys when they need to dig deep in games. Right now those leaders are mostly in their first season in those positions, and it will take time for them to figure things out. I’m not agreeing with everything Murray has done (I love Ivanans, but jesus christ, stop playing him every game), but his positives over last season way out weigh his negatives.

by Nut on Dec 22, 2008 5:38 AM PST reply actions  

Does Khabibulin put us in the playoffs? Maybe, then first round exit?

Well, if there’s that much pessimism about the postseason, maybe better not to go for it then. You’ll have to keep ignoring any possibility for success (I’ll let you in on a little secret: a LOT can happen in a seven game series, and making the postseason even as underdogs can be a huge deal: see Anaheim 2003).

But if Lombardi’s really on-plan, then we should probably stop writing these gripe pieces when the team does blow leads with frequency. It’s all part of the bigger plan.

I wonder if it wouldn’t be better for some of the kids’ development/confidence to be on a winning team (or even to experience what playoff pressure is like), and I wonder if that sort of winning environment would help the Kings attract free agents, but hey, I’m of a different mold, I suppose.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Dec 22, 2008 7:01 AM PST reply actions  

Labarbera- 28 years old, 45 GP, 17-25-2, 3.00 GAA, .910 SV% ($750K)

Ersberg- 26 years old, 14 GP, 6-5, 2.48 GAA, .927 SV% ($700K)

Khabibulin- 35 years old, 23-30, 2.63 GAA, .909 SV% ($6.75M)

Which two do you take? I mean, I know it’s a game and you should always try to be the best no matter what, but what kind of businessman accepts marginal improvement (and that’s if you even thought Khabibulin would be better than Labs and Ersberg this season) at a cost of an additional $6 million dollars?

Also, Earl, the guys you’re talking about the Kings signing are guys like Brian Campbell (and would anyone want that deal?) and Marian Hossa (who was pretty much going to sign with Detroit). I said before free agency started that the Kings weren’t going to do much until they saw which prospects were going to work out. Rebuilds are generally 5 year things and the Kings are in the 3rd year, which is also the last year that playoffs aren’t a realistic option; it sucks, but that’s what I signed up for. What I didn’t sign up for was a team that would accept losing. I get the feeling that the Kings are OK with moral victories in lieu of real ones, and that’s what bothers me. That’s the feeling that festers inside organizations and creates perpetual losers; I don’t think the Kings will fall into that, because Dean Lombardi, Terry Murray, Dustin Brown and Jack Johnson are all way too competitive, but it’s still something you need to watch for.

And it’s kind of unfair to criticize the Kings for having Drew Doughty as such a big factor in their defense without pointing out that Jack Johnson is injured. In a normal situation he probably wouldn’t be playing so many minutes.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Dec 22, 2008 7:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m not the biggest Khabibulin supporter, so I’d probably pass on that one. And Campbell and Hossa were definitely outside of L.A.‘s scope (I don’t think they would have signed in L.A. if Lombardi offered them full ownership of the team).

But I’m sure there were possibilities, especially with so many teams pressed against the salary ceiling. I dunno, it seems that Lombardi gets a pass because there were no obvious options, but I’ll tell you — other GMs are somehow getting useful players that they didn’t draft. One way or another, I think it behooves the Kings to find out how that’s happening in other cities.

And it’s kind of unfair to criticize the Kings for having Drew Doughty as such a big factor in their defense without pointing out that Jack Johnson is injured. In a normal situation he probably wouldn’t be playing so many minutes.

Very true. Still, I’m not even sure that a healthy JMFJ was really ready for the big minutes either (though I’m no expert) — I’d still be in favor of sheltering both the youngsters in favor of someone who’s already experienced big minutes in this league. Both kids would benefit, I’d think, from less-crucial assignments. It’s how a lot of big-name players got introduced into the league — early in their careers Getzlaf/Perry or Zetterberg/Datsyuk weren’t playing difference-making minutes, and it’s hard to see how that stunted their development. Sheltering seems like a decent strategy to me — preferable than trial by fire, I think.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Dec 22, 2008 8:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Still, I’m not even sure that a healthy JMFJ was really ready for the big minutes either (though I’m no expert)

I don’t disagree, he was playing in college where they play half as many games compared to the NHL per season. I don’t think Doughty is being hurt by playing so many minutes. If he weren’t able to, we’d see it in his play on a night-to-night basis. Yeah, he makes a mistake here or there, but I wouldn’t cut his minutes because of a few lapses; he’s still learning.

Zetterberg/Datsyuk weren’t playing difference-making minutes

These guys were adults when they entered the NHL. They had been playing in the Elite league in Sweden before they came here. I’m for sheltering young kids, definitely, but there are those few who can just in right away and excel immediately.

by Connie Kim on Dec 22, 2008 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

These guys were adults when they entered the NHL.

But don’t forget, there were still several seasons where they were playing behind the Yzerman line and the Fedorov line. Whatever their age, they weren’t seeing the opposition’s top defenders, and somehow still became NHL players. I don’t know that hurredly promoting them would have made them better than they are today.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Dec 22, 2008 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Last year the Chicago Blackhawks were doormats until late in the season, and if you watched them the goalie held them in a lot of games where they should have been blown out. I would have taken Khabibulin, as I said before the start of the season, but there were other options as well.

Bottom line, the goaltending and defense were concerns and the kings did not do enough to address them. Adding O’Donnell and picking up Quincey off the wire were nice additions, but even with Johnson with that goaltending tandem you need to spend something on the blueline. Didn’t happen.

by pj48 on Dec 22, 2008 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Earl- you are discribing the kings teams throughout the late 90s and this decade, where we would sign guys that were there to make it competitive but only once were able to push us past the first round. I would be ecstatic if the kings made to the first round of the playoffs this year, but not at the expense of being able to go farther in the future. Giving up any kind of of draft pick or prospect is not worth it for khabibulin to squeak into the playoffs. Most kings fans who have been around awhile aren’t giving lombardi a pass because we are comfortable with losing; rather, I can’t remember a time when the kings had more than one prospect that was reason to get excited over. Now we have the second best crop in the league (according to Hockeys future) and a slight glimmer at the end of the tunnel. Deans also brought in OSullivan, Johnson, Handzsus (yes, I think that’s a positive), and Quincey through trades and signings, so I’m willing to trust him (as long as there’s no more cloutier sized fuck ups).

by Nut on Dec 22, 2008 1:23 PM PST reply actions  

Giving up any kind of of draft pick or prospect is not worth it for khabibulin to squeak into the playoffs.

If the Ducks held this philosophy for the last five years, we’d have zero Stanley Cups also. Sometimes you have to give up some future to get better in the present.

Besides, the rate that draft picks/prospects pan out into real NHL players is pretty darn low. Trying to keep them all no matter what is possibly a noble idea, but I don’t know that it’s a philosophy that has produced any really good teams that I can recall.

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by Earl Sleek on Dec 22, 2008 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

So all we need is to draft a goaltender in the 1st round, sign a failed 1st round pick and then let his awesome brother sign with us, wait for a Norris-caliber defenseman to cheat on his wife and trade for him for cents-on-the-dollar, and then get a future Hall-of-famer to sign a sweetheart deal with us, and we’re set!

I don’t know if you can compare the free agent dealings the Ducks made with any other team in the past few years.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Dec 22, 2008 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I suppose, but the Ducks didn’t hesitate to part ways with prospects and picks to land a Chris Pronger when the opportunity arose. That was more my point about the Ducks and their different philosophy on what to do with future assets.

I’m a little confused, though, as I don’t think the Ducks have ever picked a goalie in the first round (but I don’t pay a lot of attention to the draft at all). They traded for Giguere, and signed Hiller as a UFA.

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by Earl Sleek on Dec 22, 2008 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Was Phoenix ahead of Los Angeles on the waiver wire for Bryzgalov, or was LA ahead? Either way, it is not like the Ducks would have accepted a bag of pucks and a few fatburger coupons for Bryzgalov prior to that point either. Strike two.

by pj48 on Dec 22, 2008 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Phoenix was way ahead of the Kings at the time of Ilya's release

Here’s the order of the waiver wire priority the day Bryzgalov was released:

1 Caps 36.1%
2 Sabres 38.8%
3 Oilers 39.5%
4 Yotes 41.2%
5 Devils 44.4%
6 Thrashers 44.4%
7 Pens 44.7%
8 Kings 47.2%

Paul Lo Duca is MLB's Pablo Escobar..

by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 22, 2008 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Kind of amazing there were three teams ahead of Phoenix. From what I remember, there wasn’t even a lot of talk about Lombardi making an offer. To put a co-#1 goaltender with playoff experience on waivers, and have him picked up by a division opponent (if not a rival), you have to believe that Lombardi could have offered something, a conditional second or third rounder or a prospect. Anything to take the salary off the books.

Didn’t happen. Three or four other teams also expressed interest in possibly trading a goaltender, never heard anything on the LA front there either. The team went with a more physically fit LaBarbera and Ersberg. Fine. Bring in something to bolster the blue line and help them out. O’Donnell and Quincy were solid additions, but the Kings needed a big name either in goal or on the blueline. Didn’t happen.

This is probably more of an AEG issue (known in Northern California as the anti-Earthquakes group) than a Lombardi issue, but fans or opinion columnists in socal should have every right to rip the management for not giving a talented young lineup what it needed to make a run. Turn that 3-8-0 road record around to something approaching .500 and the Kings are a middle of the pack squad instead of on the outside looking in a third of the way through the season.

by pj48 on Dec 22, 2008 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh, I didn’t realize the Ducks traded for Giguere. That’s insane that he was mediocre for so long and then suddenly exploded. Goaltenders.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Dec 22, 2008 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

The Ducks’ cup-winning team featured three players who were actually drafted by Anaheim — Getzlaf, Perry, and Bryzgalov (well, Drew Miller played three games, too). Everyone else was brought in from elsewhere, though there were a good many who did get their start with Anaheim without ever being drafted (McDonald, Penner, Kunitz, Shannon, and Carter). Most of the team was drafted by another franchise, though.

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by Earl Sleek on Dec 22, 2008 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Lombardi and Leiweike (not going to look up how to spell) have both stated that if the right deal for the right player or the right player was available, that they would go after them. Lombardi also stated that he was going for Gomez and Drury two years ago but was unable to get/afford them. So its not like they won’t go for anyone, I think they just are waiting for a world class player under 30 and those don’t become available everyday (Kovalchuk!). Also, you are correct in saying that not every draft pick pans out. But Lombardi has a better track record than most, and has called picks and prospects “assets” multiple times before. So while some will definitely become full time Kings (Doughty) others can be used in trades. Now, however, is not the time to start trading/signing lots of players. Also, It would be great to have had Yzerman and Fedorov to mentor the young kings and let them ease their way into the league. However, those players were drafted by the Red Wings and Yzerman came in with the Wings in 83-84 when the Wings were miserable. They didn’t have a winning record until his 5th year in the league. The Kings kinda started from scratch as well, so hopefully Kopitar, Doughty and Brown can ease in our prospects in 10-15 years. But you gotta start somewhere.

by Nut on Dec 22, 2008 5:35 PM PST reply actions  

Now that is positivity.

I guess I just don’t have the patience for decade-long rebuilds, and I’m not convinced that they are necessary for success, but it’s your Kool-Aid. I just can’t make this equation work for me, though: Glaring need + Ability to spend + Zero action = Good job.

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by Earl Sleek on Dec 22, 2008 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Well we’ll see whose Kool Aid’s better in a few years. At least we’ll peak with young players. The Ducks dominance disappears in a proportionate ratio to Getzlaf’s hair.

by Nut on Dec 22, 2008 6:24 PM PST reply actions  

sorry, with our young players.

by Nut on Dec 22, 2008 6:24 PM PST reply actions  

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