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Loudmouths and a Mid-Season Look at the Stars


As I've mentioned before, I don't intend to flog my personal NHL blog too often in this space. Since there's a moderate BoC connection, though, I figured some of you might enjoy the discussion regarding the biggest loudmouth in the NHL.

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Three of the "contestants" are BoC relevant. Jeremy Roenick, Brett Hull and Sean Avery made the list along with such hot air luminaries as Don Cherry and John Tortorella.

What would be some good categories left off the list that would play especially well with the BoC? Elbow Thrower of the Decade, Best Hockey Groupie of the past ten years and Most Beloved Defensive Forward come to my mind.

Follow the jump for some random Stars bits, including something that will make Buffalo Sabres fans livid.

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For the first time in months I had a chance to pick up a physical copy of the Dallas Morning News and there were some interesting Stars tidbits jammed into its perpetually shrinking sports section.

Jean Jacques Taylor made some salient points about the Stars' big money players falling short of expectations then challenged the boundries of credibility by calling Brett Hull's infamous foot in the crease Cup winning goal "legit."

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After all these years, what do Stars fans really think? Is it one of those *shrug* "gotta be good to be lucky" responses or do you fervently endorse the legitimacy of that goal? Curious to learn how deluded people are how you guys feel.

To Taylor's credit, he pointed out a quirky little storyline most people would easily forget about.

Ryan Miller, a former Michigan State Spartan is going against former Michigan Wolverine Marty Turco. It's too bad these guys aren't on the same team, because then they could have a kick ass "at first they rumble over past rivalries but ultimately bond over their mutual hatred of Herb Brooks" character arc.

I think I've been watching too much "Miracle" lately.

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If hockey has "made men" like the mafia, then Mike Modano is absolutely in that category. You may remember a few years back, he and his super hot wife Willa Ford raised a minor ruckus by criticizing the way the Stars handled the transfer of his captaincy to Brenden Morrow.

He already criticized Avery's behavior, but he recently was quoted in full-on Hindsight 20/20 mode. If that was any Star other than maybe Morrow, he'd probably get some serious heat for his comments.

Even if, you know, they're correct.

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Paulie: "We got this, er, uh ... kid. From Minnesota. Bangs a lot of hot broads ..."

There were a lot of good things to take away from the Stars' sloppy but exciting come-from-behind victory over Detroit, but the most interesting stat is that the Stars launched 49 shots at Chris Osgood. That's the most shots on goal for the Stars since 1997.

That might be an interesting stat to keep an eye on as this season goes on. They've outshot their opponents in eight of their last 10 games, including outshooting the Red Wings by 18 and somehow losing to the Edmonton Oilers even though they piled on 20 more shots.

I guess they want to take the games out of Turco's suddenly shaky hands.

Stars beat writer Mike Heika handed out his mid-season grades. Ultimately, though, the Stars season is going to come down to improving their penalty kill and Marty Turco playing at an above-minor league level. To his credit, Turco has shown some improvement in the last two months.

The next 41 games will determine a lot of the Stars future, so it should be very interesting to watch. With games against Buffalo, LA, Atlanta, Tampa Bay and Florida, they have a chance to make up some serious ground. This may end up being the stretch that people point to when looking back at a lost season or a nice run to the playoffs.

It's going to be quite a grind, but the Stars have as good a chance as any of the bubble teams to make it happen.

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Yeah, what depressed me most about yesterday wasn’t so much about losing a 3rd period lead against the Red Wings — that happens.

But then to look and find out that now the Ducks have lost more regulation games than the Stars? I need to stop pointing fingers when I laugh at teams.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Jan 15, 2009 4:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

oh, and I do remember that I was loosely rooting for the Stars over Hasek and his Sabres, but the fact that the NHL lazily counted that goal set me fuming all summer long. Glad you still have a good sense of realism about it.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Jan 15, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn’t aware of that fact, Sleek. Does that indicate the Ducks becoming a good shootout team or do the Stars just chillax after they get the easy point?

Using words like chillax makes me understand the true pitfalls of sleep deprivation. Leaving it indicates a troubling depth of shamelessness.

by jamestobrien on Jan 15, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Does that indicate the Ducks becoming a good shootout team or do the Stars just chillax after they get the easy point?

Probably a little of both. You have to remember, when the NHL invented the shootout the Stars and Ducks were on opposite ends of that spectrum — Ducks went 3-7 in the circus show and the Stars went 12-1 (ironically, their only loss came to Anaheim). I think it almost naturally had to start balancing out.

Giguere and Hiller are much better this year in that regard, and Dallas has come back to the pack. Anaheim is 3-2 this year and Dallas 3-3.

But that’s not really the trouble with the Ducks — I miss the days when they would lose shootouts with regularity. Nowadays the more troubling thing is the 3-4 regulation loss. I shit you not — that is how the Ducks have finished six of their last twelve games.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Jan 15, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I distinctly remember that first year in which the skills competition was a thorn in the side of the Ducks and a justification for Jussi Jokinen’s existence. Still waiting for the grim day when a team hires a shootout guru.

What’s the BoCers stance on shootouts? I’ve grown tired of them, although I must admit they’re kind of a treat when you’re actually in the building …

by jamestobrien on Jan 15, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not a Stars fan at all (At. All.) but I feel two things about that goal now.

1. It should not have counted in that series, as it clearly violated the rule that they were enforcing all year about not entering the crease.
2. It was a horrible rule that the NHL clearly had second thoughts about, thus leading to the weaselly ad-hoc decision to call it a goal, a series, and a season despite the undeniable violation of the rules as-written.

The NHL has never been very good about meaning it when they say a penalty in October is still a penalty in May and June. They bungled it by passing the rule in the first place, bungled it by not eliminating it mid-season when the problems with crease-violations were puzzling the players and fans, and were more or less set up to bungle whatever the decision was going to be on that goal. If they called it back, Dallas would have felt cheated out of a Cup winning game by a ticky-tacky call. This is why I don’t like the NHL tweaking the rules without first doing trial runs in the AHL.

by ievans on Jan 15, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good points all around. It’s interesting that some of the league’s most controversial penalties have factored heavily into big playoff games. Who can forget the Sabres getting that deadly delay of game penalty against Carolina?

And then the league wiped more egg off it’s face when Martin Gelinas seemed to score a goal in Game 6 of the SCF.

I agree, though. To decide the Cup on that goal was wrong. Poor Buffalo fans…

by jamestobrien on Jan 15, 2009 7:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha I just noticed your profile pic features the immortal Yanni. All scrunched up, it looked like a professional wrestler.

by jamestobrien on Jan 15, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If that whole tickling the ivories thing doesn’t work out for him, he should consider wrestling. He’d put the Greco back into the sport. He’s got the right kind of hair, a theatrical streak, and the mustache is pretty intimidating already.

But really, it’s Yanni’s world. We’re all just trespassing.

by ievans on Jan 16, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Salient points all around. There’d be a lot of pressure on him to have cool entrance music, though…

by jamestobrien on Jan 16, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dying Aliveblog

Not sure how long I’m going to be awake with some sort of flu/fever malady and at most 4 hours of sleep on my side …

… but I’m going to throw up sporadic thoughts here and there of Stars – Sabres.

First thoughts:

Another promising Stars stat: They’re 7-3-2 in their last 12 games.

Razor Reaugh just mentioned that the Stars’ Cup is the last major championship for the DFW area … pretty stunning. Of course, if the NBA didn’t hate Mark Cuban that owuld probably be different.

by jamestobrien on Jan 15, 2009 5:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Jesus, I spelled WOULD incorrectly? Not a good start.

by jamestobrien on Jan 15, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Niskanen’s been featured prominently in the Stars’ last two goals, putting the puck on net for Trevor Daley’s OT GWG and then scoring a PPG to put the Stars up 1-0.

Derek Roy’s been on fire lately. I’d be impressed if the Stars can keep him off the scoresheet tonight.

Reaugh: “Ryan Miller is the Humpty Dumpty of goalies.” Oh, you’re so silly, Razor.

by jamestobrien on Jan 15, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

4-2 right now

As predicted Derek Roy got on the scoresheet with a nice setup. But just when it was 3-2 and the Stars had some cause for concern, Brad Richards rocketed it past Miller. Beauty of a goal.

Richards has 13 points in the last 10 home games.

Looks to be an action packed third period.

by jamestobrien on Jan 15, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Turco got an assist

On the second goal. Oddly enough, the premium passer of a goalie got an assist with a harmless hand-off to Modano who sent Ott on a partial breakaway with a great outlet pass. Ott shockingly buried it, prompting the announcers to make a Jari Kurri comparison.

by jamestobrien on Jan 15, 2009 7:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

WOW tie ball game

Two quick goals make it 4-4. If the Stars lose this game, it will be a gigantic kick in the nuts.

by jamestobrien on Jan 15, 2009 7:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Beauty of a save

Not a great night for Turco, but he absolutely robbed Derek Roy to keep it tied in OT.

by jamestobrien on Jan 15, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No Ribeiro in top 3

We’ll see if that haunts Dallas

by jamestobrien on Jan 15, 2009 8:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Roy gets revenge

Great shootout goal by Roy, sending Turco’s jock strap into the rafters with Patrick Roy’s Stanley Cup rings.

by jamestobrien on Jan 15, 2009 8:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Sabres drop a Pominville on Stars

After building up a 3-0 lead, the Stars choked it away and lost 5-4 in a shootout that went pretty deep. Luckily for the Stars, their next four opponents are pretty weak (the strongest is probably LA).

by jamestobrien on Jan 15, 2009 8:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

strongest and LA…usually don’t see that in the same sentence.

GO DUCKS!! Girlwithapuck.blogspot.com

by SK eleven on Jan 15, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

not without the word “stench” in there somewhere.

Sorry, O’B. I’m terrible at Thursday nights, but I’ll definitely participate somewhere in the future.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Jan 15, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No worries. Just figured I’d take advantages of the nights I can watch a Stars game live (rare as they are). Chances are I’ll drift for three more weeks.

by jamestobrien on Jan 15, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey I've seen that picture of JR before.

Now if only I could remember where…

It takes a big man to cry and it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -Jamie Baker

by Lurker Shark on Jan 15, 2009 11:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Interesting article...I agree on some points on not so much on others.

First of all James: Slide on over to defendingbigd.com for a game thread sometime, your commentary is always welcome there.

Now. Agree on Brett Hull being a loud mouth and a bit cocky, but I also think his fresh attitude is good for the Stars. However, there is a reason that Les Jackson is operating there alongside Hull to kind of…reel him in a bit.

The Sean Avery experiment was a disaster. Never liked him, hate him now. The Dallas Stars are never going to be a team that welcomes players like that. Brenden Morrow stated yesterday that he was surprised just how selfish a guy Avery was in the locker room.

On “The Goal”: I’m actually tired of it constantly coming up but until the Stars find their way into the Finals again it will never go away. In my honest, non-homer opinion, I truly believe it was a legit goal. The rule stated at the time that a player could not enter the crease before the puck and the famous picture shown above clearly shows Hull’s foot inside the crease with the puck outside of it. HOWEVER! The rule also stated that if a player has possession of the puck he can slide it in and out of the crease as many times as he wants while being inside the paint. What happened on the play was this: Hull was in front of the net when a shot came in and rebounded off Hasek. Hasek sprawled in front trying to cover the puck as Hull closed in: the puck was coming off Hasek, in the crease as Hull’s skates entered the paint. Hull kicked the puck from his skate to his stick which in turn forced the puck away from Hasek and onto his stick (outside the crease) which he promptly buried into the net. To me the debate shouldn’t be about whether he was or was not in the crease but whether he actually exhibited “control” of the puck. Which leads me to my second point:

The officials at the game handled the whole thing very poorly. If there was ever ANY doubt about whether it was a goal or not they needed to notify both teams immediately and not allow any celebration or ceremony to continue. The fact that the review took place with the Sabres in the locker room and the Stars waving t-shirts around their heads is the biggest travesty, imo.

Defending Big D: A Dallas Stars blog: easy to use, free to join.

by Brandon Worley on Jan 16, 2009 8:03 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but screw the rulebook. The larger point was that the NHL had stayed remarkably consistent at disallowing Hull’s goal throughout the season and throughout the playoffs (lame rule that it was — it still got called the same regrettable way again and again).

That’s what pissed me off, at least. They dropped the rule for the most important goal of the season. Very lame.

Oh, and welcome to the hockey end of the SBN, Brandon. As you can see, BoC has a loose Stars element to it (as it’s been quite relevant to BoC teams since the lockout), and James has been our capable correspondent for that. We’re still relatively new to this whole SBN community, but glad to see a full-time Stars source on board.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Jan 16, 2009 8:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah..

I can agree on the inconsistency and I think that’s the biggest issue,besides how the review was handled by officials.

Thanks for the warm welcome as well! Hope I’m not stepping on anyone’s toes over here but I’ll do my best to supply an objective Stars fan’s point of view on things when I can.

Defending Big D: A Dallas Stars blog: easy to use, free to join.

by Brandon Worley on Jan 16, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t worry about it. I was hoping that we weren’t stepping on your toes, frankly.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Jan 16, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No way.

We’re all relative to each other somehow in the isolated Pacific division.

Defending Big D: A Dallas Stars blog: easy to use, free to join.

by Brandon Worley on Jan 16, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting stuff, Brandon. I’d be glad to stop by game threads when I get the chance to watch a game (tough with my work schedule). Sometimes with the passage of time, things like the coin-flip nature of that Hull goal get forgotten. Somehow I just remember the complaints against it and not the argument for it.

by jamestobrien on Jan 16, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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