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Vancouver Canucks at Los Angeles Kings, Oct 29, 2009 7:30 PM PDT




 

Nucks Misconduct is a lot easier to type than "Vancouver Canucks."  Try it, it's like doing a somersault with your fingers.


Hey, so this is cool.  I discovered this new thing called "Journalism."  Yeah I know, weird word, right?  Anyway, what you do is you find someone who knows stuff, which is called "information."  Then you ask them "questions" and they give you "answers."  Then you write down what they say and tell other people.  Crazy!

Anyway, I got in touch with Vadim Kuznetsov, an excellent reporter from Russia, to ask him what he thought about the whole Frolov thing and Russians in general.  Here's what he said:


What do you think are the major differences in playing style between North Americans and Russians?

It's tough to say. There is a big differense between KHL and NHL games, but the Russian national team can use the same playing style as North Americans. And sometimes they do actually.  In KHL some teams just don't use hits at all. They can skate around passing a puck for 60 minutes with no hitting and no body-checking.  Sometimes i think they even don't want to shoot a puck.  :)  Mostly it's because of the referees who whistle whenever guys push each other, although they often miss slashings and dirty plays. But if you look at Russian players who are NHL'ers I guess they can play the Canadian style easily. Look at Ovechkin or Kovalchuk. These guys can score, pass, use their bodies to make plays and hit opponents. Take Artyukhin from Ducks. When I see him playing in the NHL, I have doubts if he was born in Russia.

Yeah, most of Russians who were in NHL before didn't like to play tough but I think it's changing fast.  Generally, you won't discover America saying that Russian players do have better technique, that they skate better and probably play just a bit smarter than North Americans. But at the same time there are lot of Canadians who can do with the puck whatever they want to, skate like Tara Lipinski and create goals from nothing. These are two best teams in the World and they would never win using only their own style.

Do you think Russians are unfairly criticized in the NHL?  Why or why not?


2. Really hard to say yes or no. We do criticise North Americans who play in KHL as well. If someone who was drafted ten years ago by Red Wings in 7th round does not score 30-35 points per season, people start to complain, saying that there is no need to have Canadian players (or players from any other country) in Russia. I think it's like this everywhere. Once you come to a different country you have to play better than your teammates. And honestly I did not know if coaches in NHL unfairly criticize Russian players. I heard about the Murray and Frolov story, but Alex started to score after that,* so the coach might have been right. I know that Andrei Markov had big problems when he just came to NHL but now that he knows English he is the best defender in the league. Who else... Valery Bure had been criticized but he played bad during that time. Khabibulin almost left Chicago because of the coach but I never understood Nikolai's position actually. He is kind of a weird guy who has problems even with Slava Bykov (coach of the Russian national team). If you don't want to be criticized by foreign journalists, you are always welcome home.

*Fro does have 7 points in the 4 games since he was benched- RK

Star-divide

Isn't that amazing?  Thanks, Radim!  I think Radim's exactly right when he says that a lot people all over the world hold foreigners from another country to a higher standard than they do their own players.  It's easy to see Matt Greene is trying because he tells you during an interview, but that same sentiment may get lost when someone like Michal Handzus is talking.  But in no way does everyone do that, and I think it's important that people like you and me call out writers and commenters when they fall into that trap.  Let's end hockey xenophobia together!

The more you know...

***

The Kings picked up Randy Jones off re-entry waivers today.  Here's how that decision probably went down...

Ron Hextall: Hey Dean, Randy Jones was just placed on waivers.  Think we should pick him up?

Dean Lombardi: What?  No, why would we want another defenseman?

Ron Hextall: Well, Dean, hear me out, he's-

Dean Lombardi: -No, Ron, I just don't think it's worth it.

Ron Hextall: Dean, listen to me!  He gets injured a lot.

Dean Lombardi: Really?  That's interesting.  But I still don't thi-

Ron Hextall: There's more.  He played for Philadelphia.

Dean Lombardi:  My God.  In that case, I'd guess we'd better...

*Puts sunglasses on

...Take a flyer on him.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know, Randy Jones has been bothered by a hip injury for while now and Flyers fans turn beet red when you mention his name; on the other hand, he is more offensively-minded that most of the defensemen we have and Jones would be another name in a long list of Philadelphia athletes that were unfairly blamed for... something.  Whatever, he's only costing the Kings $1.35 million and they could probably get him through waivers if they want to send him back down.  I think.  Waiver rules are complicated.

 ***

I was pretty happy with yesterday's game even though the Kings lost in the shootout.  It was weird, it was like watching two mirror images trying to fight one another.  The top lines (composed of an elite center, a newly acquired left wing and a replacement for an injured right winger) pretty much played even, unable to really establish dominance in the game; the much maligned left wingers on the 2nd lines ended up creating a goal for themselves against makeshift third lines; and the capable goaltenders who play a vast majority of the games for their teams were stellar.  Of course, the Sharks were also missing Joe Pavelski and Torrey Mitchell and when they have those two guys they're the best team in the league, but as the teams were comprised I thought the Kings more than held their own. 

Of course, when Frolov didn't come out to take the shootout I was apoplectic, but that's another story...

***

The Kings get another crack at a wounded opponent, just like they have against Dallas, Columbus and San Jose the previous three games.  The Canucks are missing one of the Sedins (I can't be bothered to look up which) and their all-everything goaltender, Roberto Luongo, is out with a rib injury.  (Thanks, Detroit!)  The Kings have been able to capitalize on other team's injuries in the past this season so here's hoping they can do the same tonight.  Still, though, Vancouver is a good team with a great defense so this game should be a tough one.  The game pretty much comes down to how effective Terry Murray is at keeping Anze Kopitar away from Ryan Kesler and, since he has the last change, that should be fairly easy to do.  I'm optimistic.

Prediction: Kings win, 4-3.  Goals by Smyth (x2), Handzus and... screw it, Raitis Ivanans

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Andrei Markov is the best defenseman in the league?

by Nut on Oct 29, 2009 11:24 AM PDT reply actions  

I think he meant that he wasn’t thought of as that good by Canadiens fans until he learned English, then he became the best defenseman in the league. Hyperbole doesn’t translate well.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Oct 29, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah. Maybe I should learn English.

by Nut on Oct 29, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

wow i just looked over at the standings on the right of boc—————————>

us ducks are pretty bad

Ducks blow old goats right now but....GO DUCKS!!! for shits and giggles!!

by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Oct 29, 2009 11:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Everything is as it should be.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Oct 29, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

i honestly havent looked at all this year..now i know why..wow…thats REALLY BAD!!

Ducks blow old goats right now but....GO DUCKS!!! for shits and giggles!!

by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Oct 29, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m with Rudy on this

uh sorry Spade … :)

Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality? (boycott Hollywood!)

by ang6666 on Oct 29, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

wow i just looked over at the standings on the right of boc—————————>

us ducks are pretty bad

….Holy crap, I just noticed too. The team second from last in the division more then doubles our points.

I actually had this conversation with my girlfriend yesterday:
Her: I wanted to go grab sushi with some friends tomorrow night, can you come?
Me: I’ll miss the Ducks game but that’s cool.
Her: O wait, we can’t go out tomorrow night, I have to decorate the house for the party on Saturday.
Me: O…… I guess that means I can watch the Ducks game……..Fuck.

by JohnQPhats on Oct 30, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

yea i used to schedule around the ducks games…not so much anymore….

Ducks blow old goats right now but....GO DUCKS!!! for shits and giggles!!

by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Nov 2, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Holy shit Rudy! First you guys reported from the training camp and now you interview someone? You’re really taking this thing to another level.

*Puts sunglasses on

…Take a flyer on him.

That. Was. Awesome.

by Malurous on Oct 29, 2009 11:41 AM PDT reply actions  

yea the horacio reference was solid gold rudy

Ducks blow old goats right now but....GO DUCKS!!! for shits and giggles!!

by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Oct 29, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Of course, when Frolov didn’t come out to take the shootout I was apoplectic, but that’s another story…

Yeah, what the hell? Simmonds over Frolov was an odd choice, especially considering Fro potted the only goal of the game.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Oct 29, 2009 11:58 AM PDT reply actions  

SBN seems to be pushing some sort of “italics” agenda — weird.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Oct 29, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I tried to fix it but it didn’t work. Oh well, I’m just pretending that we’re ghosts. wooooooo…

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Oct 29, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m stumped, too, but it seems to be on this post only.

We’ll just make it today’s theme. Viva Italica.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Oct 29, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe try deleting my original comment?

www.thetripledeke.blogspot.com

by TDTyler on Oct 29, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s Rudy’s comment, I think — he’s the one who first dabbled in this italicism.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Oct 29, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahahahahaha

Ducks blow old goats right now but....GO DUCKS!!! for shits and giggles!!

by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Oct 29, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m guessing I fucked it up since it started with my comment. It’s probably the 27th different blog I’ve done that too. So my bad.

www.thetripledeke.blogspot.com

by TDTyler on Oct 29, 2009 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

oh good I fixed it.

www.thetripledeke.blogspot.com

by TDTyler on Oct 29, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

…. or not. Well I feel awesome. This is worse than the time I thought I invented The Stranger until I realized that I was admitting this in front of the whole internet and what am I doing—

www.thetripledeke.blogspot.com

by TDTyler on Oct 29, 2009 12:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Wait, weird...

when you refresh it goes to italics.

by 88fingerslukee on Oct 29, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s a magic trick — presto change-o!

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Oct 29, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even better…

Reading all of these comments about the font – as if there is some important conversation going on.

GO DUCKS!!!
DUCKSandPUCKS.com
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by SK eleven on Oct 29, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, lots of crap to emphasize here

by Malurous on Oct 29, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

BoC is clearly on something … :)

Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality? (boycott Hollywood!)

by ang6666 on Oct 29, 2009 2:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Alright, we’re good, but at the expense of my brother’s good joke. I hope you’re happy.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Oct 29, 2009 2:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Bah, it looks like shit, but you get the idea.

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Sacrifice the Body - Examining the NHL through statistical analysis, reasoned thought, and blind conjecture.

by IAmJoe on Oct 29, 2009 3:08 PM PDT reply actions  

I for one didn’t, but I sure had a hilarious time with my own head trying to.

by Malurous on Oct 29, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it says the more you know and then has the little star.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Oct 29, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh I see it now

www.thetripledeke.blogspot.com

by TDTyler on Oct 29, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, well, I guess I didn’t really have a chance then, never having heard of this stuff before.

Of course I do see it now that I know what to look for.

by Malurous on Oct 29, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

how did you see that?? I stared forever trying to figure that out … (shrugs)

Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality? (boycott Hollywood!)

by ang6666 on Oct 29, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Still very good though, I applaud the effort.

www.thetripledeke.blogspot.com

by TDTyler on Oct 29, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

if you squint you see a schooner.

by Nut on Oct 29, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Came over to read the other sides viewpoint, and was delighted to read the Russian insight. We have one now too, Shirokov. Remember, they are “enigmatic” when playing bad, and “mercurual” when getting on a streak.

Good article with “journalism” thing…who’da thought just asking questions huh? ;-)

Should be fun seeing the Kings. Playing better this year for sure.

Couple things…not really sure Kesler’s line would get the assignment of the #1 line. They aren’t the checking line, but then that changed based on who is healthy. Lots of guys out…The Kesler line could do it though. And whatever line plays against them should be concerned. His line with Raymond and Grabner is one of the fastest in the league.

It was Daniel as to which Sedin, and Luongo was actually injured against Toronto. It just became too painful against Detroit.

Should be a fun game…what network is it on down there.?..its friggen PPV up here!

vancitydan

by vancitydan on Oct 29, 2009 4:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Fox Sports West (regional)

by Nut on Oct 29, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Nucks Misconduct feels harder to type than Vancouver Canucks.

What I really hate the feel of, when typing, is Salad Bar

Lol, just kidding. This post was a complete lie.

by brokenyard on Oct 29, 2009 6:11 PM PDT reply actions  

When it comes to shootouts, Terry Murry has zero FroLove.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Oct 29, 2009 10:16 PM PDT reply actions  

No, because why would you throw Fro out there when you have Ryan Smyth… Ryan Smyth? You shitting me?

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Oct 29, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

This after Frolov has the best shift of any skater in overtime, too. Whatever the reason for Murray’s bias, I can’t say — but it seems pretty blatant.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Oct 29, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I should note, though, that I really only caught the end of regulation and overtime. Frolov could have been slacking the first 55 minutes.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Oct 29, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair, Frolov sucks at shootouts. But no Kopitar, no Brown? Kopitar should go first, every time. The first team that scores in the shootout normally wins. Also, Quick seems to have a problem with guys deking to the backhand.

by Nut on Oct 29, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Quick relies on his glove to make that save. That is a bad decision in the NHL.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Oct 29, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

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