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Ducks Gameday -- The Devil's Road Trip

Anaheim Ducks (6-7-2, 14 pts) at New Jersey Devils (11-4-0, 22 pts), 4 pm
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Southparkdevilkenny_mediumWell, there are signs of life for these Anaheim Ducks, though it's unclear yet how stable it promises to be.  The Ducks have won 3 of their last 5 games, though all three victories were at home against injury-depleted opponents, and now get to test that recent optimism against a pretty daunting road trip -- here's how their next four opponents fared at home last season.

2008-09 Home Records

Wed.  NJD  28–12–1
   Fri.   CBJ  25–13–3
 Sat.  DET  27–9–5
 Mon.  PIT    25–13–3
  Combined 105–47–12

Last season, only ten teams lost 16 games or fewer at home -- the Ducks will visit four of those teams over the next six-day span.  Using last year as a basis, an average traveling team would get 3.44 out of a possible 8 standings points on this road trip; do the Ducks have the mettle to do any better?

I've segmented the Ducks' 15-game season into three 5-game sets below, just to show what could be a turnaround.  It's definitely a bit deceptive, though -- in Game Ten, for example, the Ducks gave up 5 PPGs to the Maple Leafs; had that game been shifted to the last grouping some of this post's positivity disappears quickly.  Plus five games is always a shaky sample size.  Nevertheless:

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There are some genuine signs of improvement -- shot discrepancy is narrowing noticeably, penalty killing has seemed effective of late, and definitely goals-for have been going in.  The first five games the Ducks hung even, despite being outshot wildly.  The second five games the Ducks imploded -- the shooting actually improved, but goaltending/defensive results were horrible.  The last five games have served as some pattern for success for the Ducks -- after the jump, a look at how some of the individual players' stats changed over each segment.

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The analysis here isn't going to be too heavy -- I'm really just looking at points and plus-minus for sets of players for each of the five-game segments.  I did also look at shots-on-goal, but didn't end up including it; mostly Anaheim's improvement in shot discrepancy came on the defensive end, it seems.

15gtable_mediumAlso, I've grouped players vaguely according to role -- Getzlaf and Perry always play as a top-line pairing, as do Koivu and Selanne on line two.  Lupul and Ryan I've thrown together as the two tagalongs -- they've traded spots a ton among the top two lines.  And all other forwards and d-men just get a lump-sum total.

Points-wise, it's easy to see why games 11-15 were the Ducks' most successful -- every grouping enjoyed their best production.  But it's the painful games 6-10 that interest me; what ailed the Ducks when they couldn't win?  And by eye, the biggest fallback goes to the Line 2 Finns -- their failure to deliver hardly anything in those five games stands out as a big factor in the slump. 

The plus-minus portion helps spread that blame a bit -- nobody was really outscoring those five games, but again, the big number points at Teemu and Koivu for that stretch -- their line was giving up goals way too easily.

I'm not going to point fingers at those two, though -- five games is nothing to fume over, and with their performance in the next five games, it's already water under the bridge.  But it does stress a bit the need for Anaheim's second line to keep productive -- when they are effective (along with other lines doing as they should), it seems that's a key to Anaheim's success.

Which isn't a new realization by any means -- since the Cup season, the Ducks have been on a hunt for effective second-line scoring.  First Andy McDonald struggled to carry the line (without Selanne the semi-retirer), then Doug Weight, then Brendan Morrison, then Andrew Ebbett, and now the task falls on Saku Koivu.  In the last five games we've certainly seen Koivu (and Selanne -- he has onus here too) carry his end of the deal, while the top line and depth lines have also delivered -- in a sense, the Ducks have played their formula for success.

At least the last five games, the Getzlaf line has been productive (though he still could be better), the Koivu line has followed up nicely, and the depth forwards have limited their bleeding -- if the Ducks can keep that up for their next five games (consistency?  shudder), there may be hope on this road trip.  Besides, the Devils, Blue Jackets, Red Wings, and Penguins are all injury-plagued to various degrees; here's hoping the Ducks can keep taking advantage of that.

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I don't know one way or another whether there is some plan to trade J.S. Giguere to Toronto for Vesa Toskala -- I'm never very good at believing in rumors (I'd use "rumours" except this seems to be an OC Register scoop), but an expiring goaltending contract for a bad goalie looks better than a non-expiring non-movable contract for a questionable goalie in my books.  Either guy can be Hiller's backup, I suppose, and maybe Toskala's play improves when he hears all the Finnish chatter in the locker room.

The real question, though, is "what else needs to be involved in a trade", and to tell the truth, I'm not quite sure which team needs to chip in more assets to make the fictitious trade work out.  As usual, we'll probably need to see an actual trade happen before I can offer too much useful commentary, but if you're bored and want to talk it up, comments are open.  Theorize away!

Prediction: The game gets delayed 2 1/2 months midway through the second period when a careless sideline reporter asks Scott Niedermayer whether he'd rather retire or be a backup goaltender.  "Hmmmmmm...."

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the Getzlaf line has been productive (though he still could be better)

Of all the things going on right now with the Ducks, this one bothers me the most. Something about the half assed play from Getzlaf gets under my skin. He knows the team needs him. It’s almost like he knows that games will be easier/harder depending on how much effort he decides to put forth (ah, that fucking Burkie quote…I hate how true it is sometimes).

LAME!

He has been making some glaringly awful decisions with the puck lately, almost to the point where I cringe when he’s in the defensive zone. That’s not the top NHLer we know.

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by SK eleven on Nov 11, 2009 8:34 AM PST reply actions  

Getzlaf isn’t playing half-assed, he had hernia surgery in the off-season. He couldn’t skate or anything this off-season. He’ll get hot in a while; you just have to hope that he gets hot before it’s too late.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Nov 11, 2009 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I understand that conditioning aspect of it all…but I didn’t think we’d still be making that excuse in November.

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by SK eleven on Nov 11, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Don’t forget how long it took Pahlsson to be himself last year. Patience is part of the process for sure.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 9:57 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

OH! and as for Jiggy, I say trade him. This team doesn’t have the time, the luxury,or the cap space to wait around for him to find his game.

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by SK eleven on Nov 11, 2009 8:36 AM PST reply actions  

Well, there is sort of the luxury. There’s no crime in seeing Jiggy’s contract through, nor would it necessarily cripple this team. The Ducks still could be spending more, theoretically.

But yeah, Toronto is better-suited to take the waiting gamble, and Burkie does carry some onus for the existence of the contract himself. We’ll see what the trade terms are, though. I could go either way.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 10:06 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I don’t know one way or another whether there is some plan to trade J.S. Giguere to Toronto for Vesa Toskala — I’m never very good at believing in rumors (I’d use “rumours” except this seems to be an OC Register scoop), but an expiring goaltending contract for a bad goalie looks better than a non-expiring non-movable contract for a questionable goalie in my books. Either guy can be Hiller’s backup, I suppose, and maybe Toskala’s play improves when he hears all the Finnish chatter in the locker room.

I feel kind of bad for Gigure. He’s done a lot for us in the past. I still think there’s a great goaltender in Gigure. He’s just not present right now. I’m guessing we could probably resign Hiller for less then 6 million a season at this point, so if we did trade Gigure, that would give us a little more cap space. Hiller is younger and currently performing better. He’s probably the safest bet.

by JohnQPhats on Nov 11, 2009 8:54 AM PST reply actions  

I still think there’s a great goaltender in Giguere. He’s just not present right now.

Definitely, and I think for the most part, he’s played pretty well this season (2nd/3rd of the CBJ excepted) — team hasn’t scored him many goals. But the remainder of his contract is still a gamble — we have seen both Giguere’s upside and downside — and I wouldn’t mind shifting it to another team, if the price is right.

That’s the whole thing, though — I need to more know than “Toskala’s involved”. There’s plenty of prices where I’d suck it up and keep Giguere — no need to overforce movement.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s the whole thing, though — I need to more know than "Toskala’s involved". There’s plenty of prices where I’d suck it up and keep Giguere — no need to overforce movement.

Absolutely. It would be nice to see him retire as a Duck.

by JohnQPhats on Nov 11, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

He said he was joking! :)

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the link to my FanPost Sleek!

Another thing about Giguere… If he decides to retire because he’s a backup, wouldn’t a trade to Toronto be out of the question? I thought Burke has said that Gustavsson is the man that they decided to go with. I can’t remember where I read it, but the thought was to bring in Jiggy as a mentor… doesn’t mean that he’ll be the backup?

by Wooster11 on Nov 11, 2009 11:26 AM PST reply actions  

good video of Carlyle, Selanne, Brown, Wiz over at Anaheim Calling.

This road trip is a big test for us. I’m fucking excited. Stoked on this 4 o’clock game.

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by tu madre on Nov 11, 2009 3:50 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, without the day job the 4:00 time is solid — I don’t know how east coasters wait all day for hockey to start, that’d drive me nuts.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s kind of nice, actually — since the Ducks usually play at 10pm ET, it gives you lots of time to get other crap like work, study, chores out of the way. Well, okay, maybe it’s not “nice,” but it does encourage a little more productivity.

by g r a c e on Nov 11, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

So no Koivu tonight?

That makes this SK11 a bit bummed… Hope he’s okay.

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by SK eleven on Nov 11, 2009 4:09 PM PST reply actions  

Ack, really? I’m just tuning in. What happened? (And “Hi!!”)

by g r a c e on Nov 11, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, that was fast. I didn’t know about Koivu either — bad blogger that I am.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

It was one of those rare moments I actually decided to read tweets

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by SK eleven on Nov 11, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Hi! Oh, good, you’re just in time to see them score! oh boy

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by SK eleven on Nov 11, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Hope he’s okay.

For sure, because if he’s out a good stretch, then waiving Ebbett looks kind of bad, methinks.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

um, yay for no one wanting Christensen?

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by SK eleven on Nov 11, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

For sure — he’s still got a shot. C’mon, Fake Pahlsson.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Game sheet says healthy scratch. Do you guys think he’s nicked up but hiding it or has he really been that terrible?

If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...

by Rob Parker on Nov 11, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

He’s been awesome, dude. Mutli-point streak, faceoffs — he’s hurt. Fuck scoresheets.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Makes more sense. I know he had a slow start but I never thought he was bench-worthy bad.

If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...

by Rob Parker on Nov 11, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I havent noticed him being terrible. sure he could produce more, but I think he was just recently clicking with selanne. He’s probably just taking a little break.

hooked on quack

by tu madre on Nov 11, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Good Lord, first shot. I sure hope Spade isn’t watching.

by g r a c e on Nov 11, 2009 4:12 PM PST reply actions  

LOL, he was…

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by SK eleven on Nov 11, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

He texted me with displeasure.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay, that’s lame. Why the hell honor the 2003 Cup Devils more than SIX years later??? And how conweenient that it’s the night that the Ducks visit?! WTF??

by g r a c e on Nov 11, 2009 4:15 PM PST reply actions  

yea, when I read that, I was confused. makes NO sense to me.

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by SK eleven on Nov 11, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Convenience is probably the key, though — had to do it on a night that Scott was free and nearby.

And heck, the Ducks make it re-relevant. I won’t grudge them that when Ottawa visits Honda Center in 2017.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ll take more Lupul shots like that if he wants to give em…

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by SK eleven on Nov 11, 2009 4:16 PM PST reply actions  

hahaha, how many spins was that for Perry?!

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by SK eleven on Nov 11, 2009 4:20 PM PST reply actions  

Go bold, or draw a penalty.

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by tu madre on Nov 11, 2009 4:31 PM PST reply actions  

Good work, Brown! I was just starting to wonder who would be our re-enactor for Steve Thomas.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 4:31 PM PST reply actions  

Woohoo! Way to go, Brownie!

by g r a c e on Nov 11, 2009 4:31 PM PST reply actions  

Woohoo! Make-up call!

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

This Miller Lite commercial cracks me up.

by g r a c e on Nov 11, 2009 4:35 PM PST reply actions  

ha…ya, it’s a good one.

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by tu madre on Nov 11, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

The beginning is so cloyingly sweet, it’s a relief that there’s a punchline, or else that commercial is seriously annoying.

by g r a c e on Nov 11, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

This power play cracks me up.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Great Penalty Kill!

oh wait…

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by SK eleven on Nov 11, 2009 4:38 PM PST reply actions  

Tolerable. Minus that deflection.

And the two minutes the Ducks were on the PP.

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by SK eleven on Nov 11, 2009 4:43 PM PST reply actions  

Not awful, I guess — sure wish that first one didn’t go in.

C’mon, 2nd.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 4:43 PM PST reply actions  

YES!

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by SK eleven on Nov 11, 2009 5:03 PM PST reply actions  

Woooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the streak continues!!!!!!!!!

by g r a c e on Nov 11, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

where are you streaking? are you drunk? haha

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by tu madre on Nov 11, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha, it’s a little after 10am here. So, no. :)

by g r a c e on Nov 11, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

streak and eggs for breakfast.

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by tu madre on Nov 11, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Hahaha, sorry — I just saw this. I can’t hold my liquor at all, and I’m much more liable to fall asleep before I do anything interesting. Sometimes I feel like a fake BoC’er.

by g r a c e on Nov 11, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea, Grace and I are the designated drivers for BoC

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by SK eleven on Nov 11, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I can’t hold my liquor at all

Get out.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Nov 11, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

HARHARHAHRAHRAHR

Lol, just kidding. This post was a complete lie.

by brokenyard on Nov 11, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

There ya go, top line!

Perry forgot to fall on Marty, though.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 5:03 PM PST reply actions  

Still plenty of time for that Sleek…

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by SK eleven on Nov 11, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

The Devils had six guys on the ice?

I suppose I didn’t notice because Selanne’s line was on the ice — they often appear outnumbered in their end.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 5:07 PM PST reply actions  

This whole “more PPs than PKs” thing the Ducks have had recently is throwing me waay off balance.

by g r a c e on Nov 11, 2009 5:08 PM PST reply actions  

i can’t tell the difference, the Ducks don’t score in either situation.

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by SK eleven on Nov 11, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe Del Taco is now sponsoring our man-advantages.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s true. But they’re probably also giving up fewer goals, too. Any less PK time is a plus for me.

by g r a c e on Nov 11, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Where’s the delete button??? Clearly this comment was a load of crap.

by g r a c e on Nov 11, 2009 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn — Ducks got caught with a few pants down there.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 5:19 PM PST reply actions  

nice move and shot by clarkson………but didnt it look like he was way offside.

hooked on quack

by tu madre on Nov 11, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Dunno — I just saw one of Whitney/Wisniewski in a bad spot when the puck turned over.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

doesnt matter anyway.

hooked on quack

by tu madre on Nov 11, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Brown draws another?

Does this guy know his first name isn’t “Dustin”? Nobody tell him, though.

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by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 5:28 PM PST reply actions  

Now would be a grrreat time to take advantage of these favorable calls.

by g r a c e on Nov 11, 2009 5:28 PM PST reply actions  

UGH! NEVER MIND!!! JUST KEEP THE CALLS, REFS!

by g r a c e on Nov 11, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

fuuuuuuuuuuuck

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by SK eleven on Nov 11, 2009 5:30 PM PST reply actions  

Vomit. Really, guys?

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 5:31 PM PST reply actions  

Whitney is still trying to be our leading scorer apparently.

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by SK eleven on Nov 11, 2009 5:31 PM PST reply actions  

sad, sad, sad.

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by tu madre on Nov 11, 2009 5:32 PM PST reply actions  

I looked it up. The last time a Jacques Lemaire-coached NJ Devils team blew a 2-goal 3rd period lead at home was in 1825.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 5:38 PM PST reply actions  

YAY, more ugly power play time!

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by SK eleven on Nov 11, 2009 6:00 PM PST reply actions  

Tonight on Ducks power plays, each team has generated three SOG.

Carlyle might have to bench Mike Brown if he keeps drawing calls.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the birthday gift boys….

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by SK eleven on Nov 11, 2009 6:22 PM PST reply actions  

happy birthday.

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by tu madre on Nov 11, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s your birthday?? Happy birthday!!

by g r a c e on Nov 11, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

It dawns on me now why you stick with eleven so vehemently — happy birthday!

Night’s bound to improve from here.

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by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

It dawns on me now why you stick with eleven so vehemently

ummm, yea…

Thanks yall!

Much better than what the Ducks gave me today!

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by SK eleven on Nov 11, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh crumbs, I just realized that I’m supposed to know that it’s your birthday! Hope it was a good ’un (minus this game, obviously)!

by g r a c e on Nov 11, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions  

No you weren’t! LOL…

It will be…off to do some dinner with the besties! :)

THANKS BoC!!

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by SK eleven on Nov 11, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions  

They’ve never won on my birthday either.

My birthday’s in early September though.

Lol, just kidding. This post was a complete lie.

by brokenyard on Nov 11, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Lame as fuck.

Get well soon, Saku!

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by Earl Sleek on Nov 11, 2009 6:22 PM PST reply actions  

well, look on the bright side. We only have to 3 more games to win on this road trip to really stay in contention with the rest of the conference. fuck.

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by tu madre on Nov 11, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought that was going to say…

to stay in contention with Carolina…

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by SK eleven on Nov 11, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions  

No worries there, it seems. Kings took care of that for us. (sigh)

by g r a c e on Nov 11, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I totally missed this game due to being a dumbass. Anyway, sucks. Here’s my cheer up video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuOvqeABHvQ

It remindes me of the Ducks PK when they played Toronto. Me and my friends still quote this one. Do me a favor, count the number of times you say “What the fuck?” while watching this and let me know how many times you said it?

This first surface in one of the Spike and Mike Twisted animation festivals and I believe it won.

by JohnQPhats on Nov 12, 2009 7:56 AM PST reply actions  

Very cool — I’d seen that before, but it definitely cheers me up.

Yeah, last night’s game wasn’t about a comically bad PK — rather, a comically awful PP. Gotta change it up once in a while.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 12, 2009 8:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, last night’s game wasn’t about a comically bad PK — rather, a comically awful PP. Gotta change it up once in a while.

Well, I guess it’s better then getting scored on 6 times in one night. I’ll throw you guys some of the lesser known/obscure stuff for the next loss. =)

by JohnQPhats on Nov 12, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

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