Kings Gameday: "Lolita" is Overrated Too
Los Angeles Kings at San Jose Sharks, Dec 9, 2009 7:30 PM PST
The Sharks are knaves, Evgeni Nabokov chief among them. You might think it odd that I would hate Nabokov more than anyone not named Rob Blake on the Sharks, but I do. Evgeni Nabokov isn't really that good, in that he's probably not top 10 in terms of ability or talent; he's only good because he can play 70 games a season. He's a league average starter, an innings eater, more Derek Lowe than CC Sabathia. Really, try to come up with a better situation than the one Nabokov has had since the lockout:
-He has no real back-up so he gets to play a ton
-The Sharks have been in the top 5 of shots against every year since the lockout (except this one, so far)
-He can suck ass in the playoffs (like he did last year) and no one will point to him because they're too busy blaming Joe Thornton
Nabokov has been the starting goaltender ever since Vesa Toskala was traded (you know, the guy who outplayed Nabokov at times, then got traded to a regular team and proceeded to fall off a cliff) and he has never really done anything to deserve it. Nabokov makes some nice saves because he plays like a weirdo, but who cares if he's going to let in 50-foot wrist shots?
Of course, I understand why Sharks fans love him so much. There is some value in having a guy that can play a ton at a league average rate; saying he should be a Vezina finalist is obvious homerism, but they're Sharks fans so that's to be expected. Sharks fans need to lionize Nabokov because he's the one guy on their team that doesn't have obvious flaws (except that he's a dick*). They can't idolize Joe Thornton because of his playoff pratfalls, Patrick Marleau is the single most awkward guy that ever lived, Dany Heatley killed a guy, Danny Boyle is too new (although you can feel it starting), and Marc-Edouard Vlasic is too young. I guarantee you this, though: if the Sharks don't win the Stanley Cup this year (and I think they will), it'll be because Nabokov isn't good enough.
*One thing you learn quickly as a goaltender is that you never ever ever ever blame a defenseman for a goal. If he tips it in, you say, "Ahh, don't worry about it, we'll get the next one." If he screens you, you tell him so he doesn't do it again but only if he asks you. And you certainly don't ever point out that he should have blocked the shot. You never blame your defenseman because it's mean and it'll hurt his confidence and it'll make him think instead of react the next time a forward bears down on him, but the most important reason you never blame a defenseman is simple: it's because you don't want them blaming you when you fuck up.
If you want to know why I really dislike Nabokov, just think about the type of goaltender he is: athletic goaltender who plays a lot but doesn't have a great save percentage. Remind you of anyone?
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Terry Murray has decided to sit Jonathan Quick for this game, instead playing Erik Ersberg. Did Ersberg put a bar of soap in Murray's coffee or something. Imagine you're Ersberg: you've sat on the bench for a full month and now you're finally getting a shot against the best team in the league in their rink. If you win, hooray! You've done what 7 other teams have done this season. If you lose, the loss is your fault, enjoy the bench for another month. Poor little Swede. On the plus side, this goaltending match up is cool because both Ersberg and Nabokov look like little kids: it's like the Beav versus Eddie Haskell.
The Kings as a whole are pretty boned tonight, since we don't match up well with the Sharks on the road. The Sharks outplayed the Flames on Saturday night but were done in by great goaltending on Miika Kiprusoff's part; the Flames outplayed the Kings on Monday night but were done in by great goaltending on Jonathan Quick's part. I see this being a pretty bad start to the Kings' brutal week. If they can win two in the next wekk I'll be happy.
Prediction: Kings lose, 5-2. Please, please let Kopitar score tonight.
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tsk tsk Rudy – dont’ you know? Nabby = stud!! He has saved the Sharks ass too many times and for that should be worshipped!
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by ang6666 on Dec 9, 2009 9:26 AM PST reply actions
This is a great post, start to finish. <3 RK.
Ya know who Nabby really is? Not Quick. He’s Osgood. No, seriously. He’s a mostly average goalie, who has moments of above-average play. He regularly lets in goals that make you facepalm. He has had a huge advantage in concealing his league average-ness by playing on a great team for a long time. He was challenged by other goalies, and even occasionally lost the starter’s job earlier in his career, but then was given the job, and never did much to keep it, aside from not having any serious competition from backups. I think its a pretty valid comparison.
Clearly, the Sharks future is to trade Nabby and spare parts for Martin Brodeur near the end of his career, and ride him to a Cup, and then bring back Nabby after Brodeur retires.
*One thing you learn quickly as a goaltender is that you never ever ever ever blame a defenseman for a goal. If he tips it in, you say, “Ahh, don’t worry about it, we’ll get the next one.” If he screens you, you tell him so he doesn’t do it again but only if he asks you. And you certainly don’t ever point out that he should have blocked the shot. You never blame your defenseman because it’s mean and it’ll hurt his confidence and it’ll make him think instead of react the next time a forward bears down on him, but the most important reason you never blame a defenseman is simple: it’s because you don’t want them blaming you when you fuck up.
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Rudy – you couldn’t be wrong more about Nabokov.
First, how do you overlook the fact that Nabokov have won trophys (for example, when you compare him to Quick, who’s won what)? He’s didn’t win the SC, or the Olympics, but this should be taken care later this year. He’s won at junior level, he’s won the Russian Super League and he’s won the World Championship. Before famous PP goalby your favorite Kovalchuk, there was a shout out of Finland in the semi-final, and everybody on that team acknowledged that Russia does not win that tournament if Nabokov wasn’t there to beat Finland, following that loss to Dallas Stars in playoffs. Or was he just lucky to be Russian and to play for Dynamo back in the day?
Second, you’re forgetting that he’s Russian. Most Russians don’t give the same boring interviews that Vlasics and Marleaus and Crosbys give. They speak their minds and Frolov is the same, as you might have read in a recent interview to Sport Express I posted for you. Do you really think every goalie in the NHL should take a blame for every goal he allows? It’s not uncommon for a Russian athlete to blame another athlete in a press. You should read some of the interviews from Russian team following a shocking loss to Finland in the last Olympics in the semi’s.. Everybody was blaming everybody – not an usual thing.
Third, how do you ignore Nabokov’s stellar performance in playoffs right before the lockout, or in Ron Wilson’s last year that Nabokov should have won Vezina, or this season when he’s won multiple games for the Sharks?
Nabby's performance this year for the Sharks and his past performance for team Russia assures him the starting spot.
He’s won gold at the worlds, and before he played, Russia was spinning its wheels.
And he was regarded by many as the best goalie at the 2006 Olympics.
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by Diamondback15 on Dec 9, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Not a chance, I think. First, one of the Team Russia coaches already said Nabokov should start. Second, Bryzgalov has very limited experience of playing in Olympics/World Cup type of tournaments, unlike Nabokov.
My guess is that they’ll split games at the group stage, and unless Bryzg looks far superior while Nabokov is sucking it up against teams like Latvia and Kazahstan and Germany (very unlikely), Nabby will start at knock out stage.
True Russia will probably start Nabokov, but I think Bryzgalov is a much better (Khabibulin, too).
by Nut on Dec 9, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
Looks like Kevin Allen of USA Today agrees with me, and he also says Quick should be on Team USA. I don’t know, I think Andersen deserves to be there, maybe not Thomas?
He’s didn’t win the SC, or the Olympics, but this should be taken care later this year
Oh great here we go again….
This would be more convincing if we did not hear it all last season.
There were no Olympics last year.
If you ask any Russian in a private conversation, which trophy would you pick, any of them would say Olympics is a far superior trophy.
Nabokov is primed to win both this year.
hey! uncross those fingers before I break them .. :)
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by ang6666 on Dec 9, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Easy Ang, I was just havin some fun with Ivan. Last thing I want is to match Karma/Jinx magic against you.
ha ha! :)
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by ang6666 on Dec 9, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with you that Nabby is a little overrated, but he's still a great goaltender.
I bring up several points to counterargue.
1. He picks up his game during the playoffs, with the exception of the last 2 years (2008 because he played 147 games that year, and last year the whole team sucked), his save percentage has increased during the playoffs. His career save percentage in the playoffs is about 10 percentage points above his career regular season SP%.
2. In his early years when the team up front wasn’t nearly as good, he put up impressive numbers. Some even better than during his last couple of years.
3. In terms of letting wrist shots in……. What goalie stands a chance against a wrist shot from someone like Nash, or Ovechkin, or some other world class sniper. They are called snipers for a reason, because their wrist shots are laser fast and laser accurate.
Plus, I just think your jealous because he’s Russian, he’s probably a better goalie than Quick (Although Quick is American and he’s young with plenty of potential, so I’ll give him that), and did I mention he’s Russian and not on the Kings?
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His career save percentage in the playoffs is about 10 percentage points above his career regular season SP%.
It’s 4%, which is to be expected because there are less power plays in the playoffs.
In terms of letting wrist shots in……. What goalie stands a chance against a wrist shot from someone like Nash, or Ovechkin, or some other world class sniper.
Or Jay McClement
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Damn you Rudy!!!, Had to go fact check.
I think it a little under 10 before last playoffs.
At first I though of Jay Clement.
Jay Mclement is a world class sniper, he’s Marleau, Ovechkin, Nash, and Brett Hull all in one, he’s just holding back because……um…….. it wouldn’t be fair otherwise.
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by Diamondback15 on Dec 9, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Dec 9, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
Pale Fire is a trip, though. As might be gathered from my love of BoC, I like pretty much anything that seems like it was written on crack.
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by Niesy on Dec 9, 2009 1:00 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
As might be gathered from my love of BoC, I like pretty much anything that seems like it was written on crack.
yea thats why this blog is beautiful…good description
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Dec 9, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
I think the most awesome thing about this post...
…is the association of Sharks players with characters from Lolita. Hopefully this will create some sort of weird chain reaction on search engine rankings. If we make a post called “Don’t stand so close to me” the circle will be complete.
Hopefully it’ll end up with Rob Blake finding himself when he searches for porn.
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by RudyKelly on Dec 9, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
BWAHAHAHA
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by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Dec 9, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
“Lolita” by Cassino is sure as hell not overrated. Whatasong.
Although I think Nabokov is put on a pedestal by Sharks fans, it’s hard to debate that he hasn’t been excellent this season. A contract year will do that for you, but as of this point, that’s really the only thing that concerns me. Looking forward baby.
Also, just to clarify, I think Nabokov got the most heat out of any player following the playoffs loss to the Ducks, at least at Fear The Fin. There really wasn’t a whole lot of blame thrown around at Thornton, at least when compared to the second line and goaltending.
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The film Lolita is
which was written by Vladimir Nabokov. hah hah hah.
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by BoulderDodger on Dec 9, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I picked up that reference, but was just trying to “show off” my taste in music. I’m one of those old elitist Kings of Leon fans Rudy talked about in his post from a couple days back, which probably explains a lot.
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by Mr. Plank on Dec 9, 2009 3:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Newbie here...
Is this the Devin Setoguchi is overrated chat room?
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Always fun to see the opposing opinion!
My bias disagrees against your bias a little bit but I liked this line:
They can’t idolize Joe Thornton because of his playoff pratfalls, Patrick Marleau is the single most awkward guy that ever lived, Dany Heatley killed a guy, Danny Boyle is too new (although you can feel it starting), and Marc-Edouard Vlasic is too young.
Yet being the key word there … :)
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by ang6666 on Dec 9, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
such a wonderful community
I'm nobody's fool, least of all yours
by BoulderDodger on Dec 9, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
Things kept happening too fast for me to type and still eat pizza…YAY for the return of Thunder Raccoon!
Also, it was funny seeing Fro get mad at that non-call. He doesn’t even get mad if you punch him in the face.
DREWWW. You are magnificent, Drew! Have ten babies so we can draft them.
That last goal. Sigh. I dunno if we can play that fast and freewheeling and win.
The oh noes face of Handzus was classic.
Sue Sylvester would be better
(kicks both of you!)
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by ang6666 on Dec 9, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
I think he was worn out from spending all afternoon typing defenses of himself on the internet.
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Teddy, Anze, Stoll, and Doughty all score in regulation and Brown scores to win in overtime. Unfortunately for them, first star of the night went to Padma’s boobs on Top Chef.
how can u say that rudy? u wouldnt have to wear a condom and with her belly is in the way she wouldnt be able to see your small cock?
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Dec 10, 2009 6:13 AM PST up reply actions
So Rudy probably thinks Martin Brodeur is overrated too??
-He has no real back-up so he gets to play a ton
-The Devils have been in the top 10 of shots against every year since the lockout (except this one, so far)
-He can suck ass in the playoffs (like he did last year) and no one will point to him because they’re too busy blaming the coaching staff (i.e., Brent Sutter, Larry Robinson, Claude Julien, Robby Ftorek)
The first argument could apply to all the No. 1 goalies in the NHL: Luongo, Turco, Fleury, Brodeur, Nabokov, Lundqvist, etc
Second point. Many of the best goalies have played on winning teams. Winning teams will boost defense to prevent high shots against. Only makes sense right? Winning teams probably also score more goals than they let in, so it’s natural to assume that they might spend more time in the opponent’s offensive zone?
Red Wings, Devils, Stars were notorious for this. They also won quite a few Stanleys.
Nabokov had one stinker of a postseason, but…. ahem Roman Cechmanek
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by Will Bulldozer on Dec 10, 2009 12:40 PM PST reply actions

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