Ducks Gameday—Some pre-BSG drama
by Earl Sleek on Feb 20, 2009 7:58 AM PST
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PrintAnaheim Ducks (28-26-5, 9th in west) at Detroit Red Wings (38-12-8, 2nd in west)
For a Detroit angle -- it's A2Y or Winging it in Motown
The Ducks' playoff situation remains as grim as Galactica, now fallen down to a 26.3% likelihood of making the postseason, and there's a tendency (that I'm guilty of also) of trying to assign blame -- whether it's toward Brian Burke, Randy Carlyle, Scott Niedermayer, J.S. Giguere, or whoever. But perhaps this natural desire to pinpoint a scapegoat lets too many people off the hook.
Tigh: The old man said humans had to own up to what they made. But we made the skinjobs. It's all about what we made, the destruction of the Colonies.
Tory: But the humans on Kobol made us. Go back far enough and it's always them.
Tigh: Yeah... you point a finger back far enough and some germ gets blamed for splitting in two. No! Maybe we share the guilt with the humans, but we don't get to shove it off on them.
Yeah, that was certainly a weak excuse to post some Galactica dialogue from last week, as I'm certainly looking more forward to tonight's BSG episode than tonight's chapter of the Ducks' drama. The grim playoff outlook has even led me to question whether I want Anaheim to win tonight -- a loss would further clarify what GM Murray needs to do in the coming weeks, and there is something to be said for clarity. Last night I was all over trade-deadline theories with one of my Kings friends (including Scott Niedermayer to the Dallas Stars), but this morning I somehow see the standings differently -- the Ducks are still one point out of eighth, and games-in-hand isn't nearly the issue it was two weeks ago. Who knows, perhaps the Ducks could get a fortuitous bullet to the brain and remember how to play like champions.
For the past couple of Fridays, a few friends and I have been having Galactica get-togethers, and tonight will be another installment. One of the guys is a real Red Wings nut, so we'll be watching that game first (I'll probably be absent from the comments during game time -- we'll be watching on tape delay). While I may hold some mixed feelings about how well the Ducks should do, nothing brings out my desire to win more than watching a game with this particular Wings fan. Even if nothing else goes right the rest of this season -- win this frakking game, Ducks. I need some pre-Galactica optimism.
Prediction: Somebody dies on Galactica. It's about time I got one of these predictions right.
Go Ducks.
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Just a warning
If the Ducks continue to slide, it may turn out that my posts get less devoted to hockey content and more devoted to distractions — we’ll see.
Still, a good post by OC Sports Geek about the recent freefall of the Ducks. This part in particular rings true:
The Ducks were almost relevant in this town when they won in the cup, and a slip in the standings this drastic stands to undo all the steps made by all of his predecessors in establishing the team, and the sport, as a strong local entity.
Yup — the short-lived days of full houses and ticket demand may be closing, sadly.
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Whoa, didn't realize this until I opened today's sports page
Pronger’s 1,000th game tonight. Another silver stick for the collection.
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I wonder how that will play out if he’s traded. Since the Ducks don’t return until after the trade deadline…
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Yeah, Sleek and I may have seen Pronger’s final game in Anaheim wearing a Ducks uniform. Ironically, if memory serves, he was the final player to touch the puck in the game, and wasn’t able to get the puck out of the defensive zone.
Fuck you, Denis Gauthier. You deserved that 5-game suspension.
I still think there’s tons more people to worry about leaving than Pronger, but hey, anything’s possible.
I’m not sure what’s that “ironic”, though — he’s going to play critical minutes, of course, and players are rarely traded right after heroic game finishes. Pronger didn’t lose that game, if that’s what you want to imply somehow.
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I think anybody would probably say Niedermayer lost the game* for taking 8 PIM in the final 11 minutes of the game, as well as causing the huge 5-on-3 and the GWG.**
I just watched the final seconds of the game (I recorded the replay yesterday… why I didn’t record the live broadcast, I don’t know), and I don’t know, the whole Ducks team didn’t look like they wanted to try to get the equalizer right from the faceoff with 0:22 left on the clock, and Pronger looked very inactive and “out of it”. To me, he looked as if he knew he’s gonna be traded, or that he had given up on the Ducks.
*Actually, a lot of Duck fans would probably say the referees lost the game by giving Niedermayer the extra roughing minor, or a penalty at all.
**Technically, after the GWG was scored, it was Rob Niedermayer’s penalty that came off the clock, by virtue of the 5-on-3. But of course, Kopitar might not have scored that goal if there were another defenseman out on the ice.
Fuck you, Denis Gauthier. You deserved that 5-game suspension.
Meh, I don’t know if I’m going to try to read trade speculation into body language around a blown 3rd period. Sample size is quite limited.
And as I pointed out in the post that day, I think the game was lost at the start of the game, not necessarily the end — things played out similarly to what we’ve seen for 18 games now.
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Of course, this is a very crucial road trip for the Ducks. It will determine if they still have a realistic shot at the playoffs, and will in turn determine if Pronger should be retained. Ultimately, I see him being moved.
Fuck you, Denis Gauthier. You deserved that 5-game suspension.
Ultimately, I see him being moved.
I’m still not sure why this seems like a logical conclusion. A team with 10 UFAs, 1 RFA, and 8 players signed.
I know he’s an impact player, and will probably get some good offers, but there should be nothing automatic about the idea that Pronger needs to be moved. It’s probably akin to the Kings moving Brown — sure there will be interest, but that doesn’t mean it’s necessary or it will happen.
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I just have a hunch that the Ducks are gonna get off to a crappy start on this roadtrip, and all the three-point games in the NHL these days are gonna kill some of the teams on the outside looking in (Ducks, Kings, Wild).
I also think that whether the Ducks move Pronger has a lot to do with whether they want to keep Scott Niedermayer. Next year, Pronger is to make $6.25M, Perry is to make $6.5M, and Giguere is to make $6M. Niedermayer makes $6.75M this year, and I think that number is gonna come down to maybe $6M.
That’s a lot of money to commit to four players, and the Ducks are fortunate that Ryan will make less than $1M, Selanne will only make $2M, and Getzlaf will make a respectable amount, a bit more than $5M. With all those guys (assuming they re-sign Niedermayer), that’s over $32M committed to only seven players.
Fuck you, Denis Gauthier. You deserved that 5-game suspension.
With all those guys (assuming they re-sign Niedermayer), that’s over $32M committed to only seven players.
Sure, but there’s nothing binding there for Niedermayer. I’d be shocked, frankly, if he played for Anaheim for $6M next year — I’d be surprised if Murray payed it, from my perspective.
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mc keeper
Earl, I can promise we in Detroit will give Prongs a warm reception tonight on this historic occasion.
Yeah, that’s predictable. Just hope Prongs doesn’t return the favor by high-sticking a Wing with his silver stick.
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I wonder what would happen if the Wings ever acquired Pronger. Of course, with the cap situation, it’d be extremely hard for them to do so. But boy, that would go over with the fans in a pretty divided manner. I wonder if this affects his tradability or value in a trade much. I have a hard time even imagining Ken Holland bringing someone like that into the picture.
I’m not sure how I would feel Pronger in a Wings jersey. Good thing it will never happen.
Yeah, money-wise it seems pretty impossible, unless Holland wants to part with Datsyuk or something impossible.
I can only give my experience, which involved quickly getting over my Pronger hate — don’t forget, one of the last things he did in Edmonton was eliminate the Ducks in the WCF. But usually with enough wins, those hatreds tend to disappear pretty quickly. Plus it was really nice knowing that the Ducks wouldn’t be going up against big Prongs anytime in the near future — that’s a pretty nice benefit.
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So say we all
Just leave Heidi Androl alone!
by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 20, 2009 9:20 AM PST reply actions
Bah, I can see right through you Sharks fans — you’re just watching your own backs for that top seed. Had you really wanted a BoC first round, the Kings would have been given two points last night.
Still, I’ll take misguided support tonight. And yes, one of us SoCal teams needs to get their act together to get that 8th seed.
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Sleek
while it is true that we share a love for Galactica and a hatred for the Wings, I cannot in good conscience cheer for your beloved Ducks. I can, however, cheer for a Red Wings loss. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, until we play you guys again, anyway.
so say we all.
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Well,
I won’t be cheering for them, I won’t go that far, but I’d rather the Ducks win this game. It’s a little bit easier to do if you stop thinking of them as the Ducks and think of them as the team playing Detroit. Kind of do some of that Cylon defining your own reality stuff.
It takes a big man to cry and it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -Jamie Baker
by Lurker Shark on Feb 20, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
touche
(just imagine that little accent mark on the end)
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Someday SBN will add accent mark technology to its comment offerings, I’m sure. We’ll request that they retroactively add one for this thread.
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Hmm
Prediction: Somebody dies on Galactica. It’s about time I got one of these predictions right.
That’s a pretty frakking easy call right there.
It takes a big man to cry and it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -Jamie Baker
No one died last time, but yes, odds are high that someone is frakked tonight.
Too bad Anders is in coma land. I liked seeing him go all hybrid on everyone. Man had a lot to say.
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Yeah and we were finally getting some answers there.
It takes a big man to cry and it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -Jamie Baker
by Lurker Shark on Feb 20, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Too bad Anders is in coma land. I liked seeing him go all hybrid on everyone. Man had a lot to say.
No kidding. I watched last week’s episode again, mostly to get that Tigh/Tory dialogue straight, but then decided to skip and re-watch all the Anders scenes. I particularly enjoyed the “word salad” scene again.
And I’m sure somebody died last week from all the Doc Cottle neglect.
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And I’m sure somebody died last week from all the Doc Cottle neglect.
That man can save people with his mind! And his gods-know-how-many-packs-a-day smoking habit.
resident cartoonist @couchtarts.blogspot.com
Cottle is the best doctor to ever grace a starship's sickbay.
And Romo Lampkin is the best lawyer, well, ever.
It takes a big man to cry and it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -Jamie Baker
by Lurker Shark on Feb 20, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
any lawyer
who can take down an armed man, while handcuffed, with a pen, is a lawyer you want on your side.
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I think I’ve decided (or at least admitted) that my favorite character on the show is Saul Tigh (sorry, Baltar). It’s really lines like the germ-splitting one that get to me, as well as a dependence on liquor that I can definitely relate to.
Also, I think he’d make a fabulous NHL coach. He’s got the right mix of grumpiness, gruffiness, and take-no-shit. I’d take him over Adama, even.
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Hooray, with Center Ice preview this week, I’ll get to watch this game!
Since I moved cross country, very few things feel as “home” to me, as hearing a Wings game on Fox Sports Detroit called by Ken Daniels and Mickey Redmond.
Just pray that the hockey gods are on your side and you don’t get caught on the Hayward/Ahlers end of things.
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Oh yeah, I know this has been brought up before (by me at least once), but do we only get the Ducks feed on Center Ice? I still don’t know how it works for games where the local team is broadcasting it, and the other broadcast is blacked out for that reason. I don’t know if it’ll be any different because of the free preview, or the fact that I already pay for my Center Ice.
Fuck you, Denis Gauthier. You deserved that 5-game suspension.
Center Ice is always blacked out whenever there’s a local broadcast. That’s contractual, I’m pretty sure.
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I wish there were some way we could decide which of the broadcasts we want to be able to watch. Although I think I’d rather watch the Ducks broadcast anyway, because as much as I dislike Hayward, I quite enjoy listening to him just to see what interesting (read: idiotic) comments he makes.
By the way, in the Kings/Ducks game on Wednesday, during the broadcast Hayward compared a big hit by one of the Kings on a Duck player to the hit by Phaneuf on Ebbett. I don’t remember the hit, nor do I care to reverse the tape to find the point, but interestingly enough, during the Kings/Sharks game last night, the Sharks broadcasters compared Gauthier’s hit on Marleau to yet another hit by Phaneuf (on some other Shark).
Fuck you, Denis Gauthier. You deserved that 5-game suspension.
I wish there were some way we could decide which of the broadcasts we want to be able to watch.
Move to Idaho. They won’t block out anything if you’re not in anybody’s market.
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So, any reaction to Chris Osgood getting Kovalev’d? I personally don’t think it’ll affect the outcome any, since Conklin has shown to be a pretty good goalie, Finals screw-up aside.
Bay Area born and bred.
For me personally, I don’t care that much except I do have an Osgood on a fantasy team that I’ll have to do something about.
The Wings’ goaltenders have been disparate in their results this season, though — I don’t think I blame ‘em for going with the hotter hand. But you’re right — it shouldn’t affect them that much. That’s one nice thing about only employing cheap goaltenders — if one of them sours it’s not a crisis like if Giguere and his unmoveable contract can’t make a save.
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Ozzie getting benched is long past overdue. I can buy a slump for a few weeks, maybe even an extended period like a month or two. But frankly, he’s been downright bad all season long. He keeps saying “Oh its ok, I know how to win in the playoffs”, but that’s 1) a lie, 2) retarded. He’s earned a hell of a lot of benefit of the doubt for a long and loyal service, and if he were posting average to below average numbers, it would probably be enough for him to keep his job. But being the absolute WORST goalie this year to actually be playing significant time, thats just not acceptable.
The stat on A2Y, that was reposted on Puck Daddy the other day was pretty eye opening. Conklin has 6 shutouts, while Ozzie only has 7 games of allowing less than 3 goals. Frankly, I’ve been hoping the Wings would find a way to get rid of Ozzie, and try bringing up Howard, just to see if he really is the future or not. If it weren’t for the cap situation, they probably would’ve tried this earlier. Sorry Ozzie.
For a few years now, they’ve been replacing Mickey Redmond on the long road trips with Doug Brown, Larry Murphy, or whatnot, but no one they’ve put in there matches Mickey. One day, he’ll retire, and that will suck, but in the meantime, Redmond/Daniels are one of the best pairs in the league. Drew and Randy for SJ are pretty good too, I’ve liked them when I get to watch a Sharks game. Don’t think I’ve seen a Ducks broadcast though.
Larry Murphy I think is actually a pretty decent third wheel on Wings broadcasts though. In fact, he may be the only third wheel in any sports broadcasting team that I like. He does pretty well on On The Fly Final as well, and I think the reason I like him in that third wheel/studio analysis capacity is because frankly, Murphy wasn’t exactly making it in the league on physical gifts alone. He had to make it on smart positioning, knowing what he could and couldn’t do, and not ever getting caught out of position. He wasn’t making it on pure talent, he was making it on smarts, and the fact that he understands that facet of the game translates well to that studio role. A lot of broadcasting teams don’t have anyone like that, they just put the kind-of attractive girl down by the boards, or some raging douchebag who doesn’t know anything about what he’s doing.
Larry Murphy is pretty awesome on telecasts, and I really like him when he guests on NHL on the Fly.
Hell of a player back in his day, and nice to see him continue to find a valuable role in the game he clearly loves.
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Hell yeah. I don’t care for a lot of the guys they drag onto On The Fly, but I think Larry Murphy is easily the best of them. Gary Greene is pretty decent, and so is Dave Reid.
Does anyone on this planet look like more of a child molester than Neil Smith? At least when Versus has him on the broadcast teams for the playoffs, I don’t have to look at him. Every single time he’s on On The Fly, my girlfriend eventually looks over and remarks on how creepy he looks.
I’ve never understood how the national networks decide on who to bring in for their playoff broadcasting. Does anyone in the world actually like that Joe Benninatii guy, Neil Smith, or whichever half-functional guy Versus brings on for the playoffs? Everytime I see a list of top broadcast teams and such, you never see those guys. I’ve never heard of anyone actually liking them. Why don’t they bring in teams like Randy Hahn and Drew Remenda, or Ken Daniels and Mickey Redmond, or anyone else who doesn’t suck balls? Does Neil Smith have a Versus producer’s 8-year-old son hostage? Does Beninnati have pictures of someone’s wife in a gangbang? I don’t get it.
You must be mistaking Versus for a legitimate sports station. I probably would have more complaints about Versus if they ever featured west coast teams (be ready! Anaheim’s one-and-only appearance of the season is sometime this road trip, obviously once they visit a worthy east coast opponent).
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Wow. GM Murray makes a trade today.
Fortunately, it’s not Anaheim’s GM Murray that I’m talking about. Not any more, at least.
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Watch us somehow give up the first goal aga—UH WUUUUUUHH????
People who save up for a rainy day are like milk. And milk goes good with cookies, so you should have those people over for cookies.
Double shit… the game already started? And Anaheim scored the first goal? Looks like Sleek gets to add some blue to that chart from Wednesday.
Fuck you, Denis Gauthier. You deserved that 5-game suspension.
Looks like Bobby Ryan got cut on the back of the leg, they just showed a replay on the detroit feed. I was wondering why Carlyle had changed the line pairings again.
He’s back on the bench now.
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It can be done, Duckies...
Please destroy Detroit – and yes, I’m being transparent.
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Red Wings power play is insane
insane! Nearly a 30% success rate
I'm a happy seal
by SwisherThresher on Feb 20, 2009 5:16 PM PST reply actions
Interestingly enough
Their PK is bottom five
I'm a happy seal
by SwisherThresher on Feb 20, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
and another Detroit power play
I'm a happy seal
by SwisherThresher on Feb 20, 2009 5:59 PM PST reply actions
What is this?
Fourth straight penalty for the Ducks in the last ten minutes or so? Not the smartest thing to do against Detroit. Or pretty much any team.
In other news, I'm watching Avs @ Caps on CSN
Amazingly, Colorado is holding down a 4-1 advantage with 5min left. Also, Caps commentators with a quick note about Warren Strelow, becoming one of the first goalie coaches,etc. Nice to hear kudos.
I'm a happy seal
by SwisherThresher on Feb 20, 2009 6:19 PM PST reply actions
ouch
that wasn’t good .. easier to come back from 2 goals down over 3
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
by ang6666 on Feb 20, 2009 6:27 PM PST reply actions
Have the Ducks overcome a 3 goal deficit this season?
I'm a happy seal
by SwisherThresher on Feb 20, 2009 6:29 PM PST reply actions
yep! but whatever it takes huh?
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
by ang6666 on Feb 20, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
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As far as I’m concerned this is a tie game.
People who save up for a rainy day are like milk. And milk goes good with cookies, so you should have those people over for cookies.
Uh … it doesn’t exactly work that way
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
by ang6666 on Feb 20, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
ouch
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
by ang6666 on Feb 20, 2009 7:01 PM PST reply actions
lets try and not be last place in the Pacific.
Wow, never thought it would come to THAT!
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At this point
I’m thinking a trade of Pronger, Jiggy, and Scott go on a 10 or 15 game slide (which we are well on are way EVEN WITH those guys) and we could be in for a lottery pick. Maybe get a few #’1s with the above guys and see the playoffs in 2011 or 2012 with a pretty bad ass, young team.
I really can’t see this seasson getting salvaged.
Would you rather have the above senerio, or have them try like hell to make that #8 seed, only to fail, hold those above assets, only to have them walk away for nothing by the end 2010?
I’m leaning more towards the first one, only because it seems like losing is all we can do at this point.
So in happier news...
I ordered fries at In-N-Out recently, and the girl who took my order for some reason decided I wanted my fries cooked “Well”. Apparently In-N-Out is the place where they screw up your order in a good way.
People who save up for a rainy day are like milk. And milk goes good with cookies, so you should have those people over for cookies.
Guess this is what we get for trying to rely on the Ducks.
Well, at least there’s still Galactica tonight.
It takes a big man to cry and it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -Jamie Baker
Yes he did.
I didn’t see who they killed coming though.
It takes a big man to cry and it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -Jamie Baker
by Lurker Shark on Feb 20, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
Standing Room Only. At one point, it was Perry, Ryan (serving part of Perry’s double minor?), Parros, Mikkelson (?), and maybe someone else. Anyhow, there were so many ppl in the box that Perry was sitting on the fridge that holds the frozen pucks. Oddly enough, the Ducks were only down one man.
Ack! No wait, what? Brookbank’s penalty would have expired by then. Oh, I dunno. Anyhow, it was crowded.
Haha…you’re welcome?
Also, those Red Wings sure aren’t doing us any favors, are they? Beating us one night and losing to Minny (one point below us but with 4 games in hand) the next.
We should scrimmage the Red Wings before every game. That way when we play the real game against whatever team, in this case Columbus, it’s easy.
People who save up for a rainy day are like milk. And milk goes good with cookies, so you should have those people over for cookies.
Sleek must of been watching some battlestar trek galasticawars,
or maybe tonight is his Dungeons and Dragons party.
hooked on quack
Yeah, I got internet-invisible this weekend, sorta by choice. I had bought the season 4.0 BSG discs and spent a lot of my weekend listening to episode commentary.
I didn’t watch any of the CBJ game (except highlights) — shocking ANA won with what, 13 shots? — and am kind of surprised that nobody got traded while I wasn’t paying attention.
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Yeah, it was an odd game, but completely fitting in with the season’s “wildly inconsistent” theme. I think in the 2nd period, the Ducks only had 2 SOG, both of which resulted in goals.
I guess the efficiency was a good thing, but that rate is certainly not maintainable, whereas the parade to the penalty box continues to kill the team (and explains why there were only 2 SOG, or whatever it was, in that period).
Also, re: trades. I think it’s been mentioned before, but the biggest concern I have about trading Pronger or Niedermayer is the high likelihood that whoever-it-is will play out-of-his-mind hockey for the new team. I know that neither has been very good in Anaheim this season, and for the right return, there’s probably a deal out there that makes sense for Anaheim. But still, the thought of Pronger or Niedermayer murdering for XYZ Eastern Conference team tears me up inside. I have the completely irrational mentality of: “But, but…those players are ours!”
Yeah, but I don’t mind too terribly if those players play well — so long as it’s not directly against us. I mean, it would hurt on some level (where was that when we needed it?), but so long as it’s not directly into our own net, I think I can tolerate it.
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