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This counter-perspective from the OC Register's Mark Whicker actually makes a ton of sense -- he's at least bringing up the right considerations to make about trading Niedermayer or Pronger.

H/T to Kukla's for the link.

almost 3 years ago Ducksuicide2_tiny Earl Sleek 19 comments 0 recs  | 

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I still can’t see how trading Pronger for anything less than the sun and the moon is a good idea. Trade off all the expiring contracts, thats probably a good idea, especially for guys you don’t think you’ll resign, but Pronger is an anchor you can build around. You gotta have key guys at each of forward, defense, and goalie. With the 3 kids + Selanne at forward, Pronger on D, and Giguere/Hiller in goal, thats a pretty good core of a team, and you still have plenty of cap room for flexibility to build around it. Lose a guy like Pronger, and you will have a very very hard time replacing that talent and those minutes (and those suspensions) on the blueline.

Also, something to keep in mind here is the issues of what happens to the cap in the next two years. Because of the nature of how/when revenues are calculated, the cap will likely remain fairly stable next year, but then is likely to take a somewhat significant bump in the year after. If the Ducks keep some of that flexibility over these next two years, they’re probably going to put themselves into a position to poach players that other teams simply had to drop for cap reasons, or be able to take advantage of a more limited overall (in terms of available dollars) free agent market than we’ve since in the previous years since the lockout. Getting a guy like Hossa this year at more like 7M/yr when he would’ve gotten easily over 8M/yr last year is a significant savings. Going a year past that, could create a situation to resign Pronger for significantly less than he would command now, help force Bobby Ryan and Hiller’s next contracts into team-friendly contracts, and thats not even considering other free agents coming available. If the money in Anaheim is comparable, its still a contender, you’re already living there, and its nice weather, why leave, right?

by IAmJoe on Feb 24, 2009 12:47 AM PST reply actions  

I still can’t see how trading Pronger for anything less than the sun and the moon is a good idea.

Out of curiosity, how would the sun and the moon actually help the Ducks make the playoffs? Can they play defense?*

*Well, actually yes, since they are freakishly enormous celestial objects. They would probably have a high blocked-shot percentage.

Fuck you, Denis Gauthier. You deserved that 5-game suspension.

by Kevin Y on Feb 24, 2009 6:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah but I think the whole gravity thing would thwart any chances for us to score – I mean as soon as we hit the puck it would fly toward our own net.

And then there’s the whole teaching the sun and moon to ice skate…

If the Ice can’t withstand the temperature we’ll have to switch to this crap.

People who save up for a rainy day are like milk. And milk goes good with cookies, so you should have those people over for cookies.

by brokenyard on Feb 24, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, they could always try to get Mats Sundin or… actually, I was hoping there was a hockey player whose last name is “Luna”, but Hispanics aren’t exactly known for playing hockey. Although Hector Luna signed a minor-league contract with the Dodgers this offseason… maybe Bob Murray will give McCourt a call.

Fuck you, Denis Gauthier. You deserved that 5-game suspension.

by Kevin Y on Feb 24, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Or trade with the Pens for the rights to Nathan Moon(OHL player and Pittsburgh 4th rounder in the latest draft)?

by Malurous on Feb 25, 2009 3:07 AM PST up reply actions  

There you go. Couldn’t find a player with that last name, even though it seems kinda normal (for a hockey player).

Fuck you, Denis Gauthier. You deserved that 5-game suspension.

by Kevin Y on Feb 25, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Best rumor I've heard. (from hockeybuzz)

Scott N. to NYR for Gomez..

Scott N. would help out NY and Gomes would help the ducks. You could make this trade and still maybe win a playoff round. Gomez is a little over a million more than Scott, so maybe you would have to send some salary with Scott (like maybe Morrison who Gomez would negate)

If this did go through, I could see the Ducks keeping Pronger. Basically you would have:

Ryan LW – Getzlaf C – Perry RW
Kunitz LW – Gomez C – Teemu RW
3rd and 4th are the same.

This season we have 2 guys I’m really worried will get offers we can’t (or wont) match. Montador and Sammy. If we can keep Sammy, we can build that checking line with him, Carter and maybe Miller. replace the checking line guys like Marchant and Moen with League minimum guys. Montador is having a career year and we should sign him now or he might be due for a big raise (a mil or 2) that we might not want to match.

With those top two lines and a defense built around Pronger and Buchemin (I would try like hell to get Odonnell back this summer) We could have a better cheaper team for the next few years.

I guess we could send Rob with Scott as well. But thats not as important. It is easier to replace guys like Moen and Marchant with cheaper players, than it is to find wold class centers to anchor our 2nd line.

This might not be a bad option if we stand to lose Scott in a year or two anyway. Gomez is under contract til 2013. Of all the rumors I’ve heard, this makes the most sense to me. What do you people think?

by Mike in OC on Feb 25, 2009 1:21 PM PST reply actions  

But I hate Gomez, and even aside from that, I don’t understand why the Ducks would get rid of Pronger (or at least posture in that direction) in order to sign someone even more expensive and even more long-term.

There’s two areas where I don’t think there’s an immediate need for next year’s Ducks: goaltending and top-six forwards (we’ll need one eventually, but I wouldn’t call it "pressing"). I wouldn’t go out and find the highest-paid player to play for the Ducks since the lockout and stash him on the 2nd line.

Besides, add a $7.4M player and that bodes badly for Ryan’s next contract. I like that there’s a “ceiling” of sorts for the scoring forwards that’s two million dollars cheaper in the Getzlaf/Perry deals.

I vote a strong no. The Gomez contract was terrible when it was signed, and I don’t think it’s much better starting this summer.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Feb 25, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

"I don’t understand why the Ducks would get rid of Pronger "

Actually the rumor involved swapping Niedemayer for Gomez.

I still like the idea of useing Ebbet in favor of Marchant (savings of 2.185 million)
and Ryan Carter in favor of Rob Niedemayer (savings of 1.475 million) next season.

Those two moves alone save us 3.66 million and we don’t really lose much in terms of skill.

Mike Brown is impressing me so far as well.

by Mike in OC on Feb 25, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually the rumor involved swapping Niedemayer for Gomez.

Right, I saw. But the posturing of making Pronger available is significant, I think.

I doubt that all the “saved money” from this year gets to be spent next season, btw. Just because Burkie got to scrape the salary ceiling doesn’t mean that Bob Murray gets to.

Also, now that I’ve looked, the Gomez deal runs through 2014. Please dear god let Anaheim not have to pray that he can live up to that deal year-after-year for half-a-decade. I’m much happier with the Getzlaf and Perry gambles, thank you.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Feb 25, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Scott Gomez, btw, has the 10th-highest cap hit of any player committed to a contract next year — 8th highest among forwards.

I don’t think I have the words to properly express how much I loathe the idea of that contract on Anaheim’s books, especially for Scott Fucking Gomez.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Feb 25, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

The point about Gomez beign the highest paid Ducks pretty much talks me out of it. Getz should be the highest paid forward, and I’m ok with Pronger beign the highest paid Duck right now.

I also agree with you about the budget. Murray does not have the stones to get the owners to do that. I doubt Burke would have been able to do that next year after this years struggles.

I guess it’s a good think that rumor is on Hockeybuzz then because that make it very likely to never happen.

by Mike in OC on Feb 25, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Uh, NO. Gomez = Waaaaayyyy over paid.

Hand it to the Rangers, to pay 2 defensive centers stupid ufa money. And they complain that they can’t score goals. No shit sherlock, you paid Scott Gomez and Chris Drury 40 goal scorer money. LOL

Don't bRuin your life. Make love with a Trojan

by Morbo on Feb 25, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

No, really Earl..

tell us what you think of Gomez.

by Mike in OC on Feb 25, 2009 2:18 PM PST reply actions  

A fairly one-dimensional player with one of the worst contracts in the league? I mean, I can see why the Rangers would want out of that deal, but the notion that they want something back is silly.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Feb 25, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it’s funny that Earl replied actually trying to clarify how he feels about Gomez.

People who save up for a rainy day are like milk. And milk goes good with cookies, so you should have those people over for cookies.

by brokenyard on Feb 25, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I can see why the Rangers would want out of that deal, but the notion that they want something back is silly.

Now that’s funny.

by Mike in OC on Feb 25, 2009 2:30 PM PST reply actions  

But it’s sort of like Fedorov 5 games after the lockout — essentially his hefty contract dictated that he get traded for nothing except cap room. The fact that trade-return Beauchemin turned into a minimum-wage NHLer (at that time) was certainly a nice bonus, but I think there was some likelihood that Fedorov was getting traded for mostly dead air, which wasn’t the worst thing for Anaheim — being freed from the contract was still the big win for the Ducks.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Feb 25, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

That seems like so long ago; doesn’t even feel like to me that Fedorov ever played for the then-Mighty Ducks of Anaheim.

Fuck you, Denis Gauthier. You deserved that 5-game suspension.

by Kevin Y on Feb 25, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

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