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Sharks Gameday: That Lemieux Guy

San Jose Sharks (41-8-9) at Detroit Red Wings (39-13-8)
4:30 PST

When Claude Lemieux first joined the Sharks organization, even while skating for their distant Asian cousins, I had my doubts. Part of it was that I didn't see any roster need for him, and part of it was that I couldn't stand the guy. I mean, I enjoyed watching him the way that you like a villain on a reality show -- in the late 90s, Colorado/Detroit games were always fun to watch because Lemieux was such a target. But have him on my team? No thanks.

And now with a dozen or so games under his belt, I'd grade the Claude Lemieux experiment as a C+. He hasn't hurt the team but he hasn't helped, and I can see him immediately getting shoved aside once Marcel Goc gets healthy. If/when Torrey Mitchell comes back, Lemieux goes further down the depth chart -- and that's not to take away anything from his comeback, which is still pretty remarkable.

Of course, during the playoffs you can carry a bunch of AHL guys on the roster, and I have no problem keeping him around for that. He'll be a good option to have in the post-season, though I wouldn't rely him for anything. It's hard to argue for him when he's battling the effects of age.

Which leads us all to today's big showdown in Detroit. From the way the Detroit contingent is reacting, you'd think that the Kris Draper incident happened yesterday. Look, I know booing the evil guy is good fun -- if Theo Fleury pulled the same kind of comeback and was on Dallas, Sharks fans would boo the hell out of the guy. But still, it just seems rather absurd that so much is focusing on this one guy. It's like (here comes a wrestling reference) when I see those commercials for TNA Wrestling with Sting* and Kevin Nash and I think "Jeez, these guys are building a company around guys who were popular 15 years ago."**

*If you don't know this, there's Sting the wrestler and Sting the singer. The dude in the white face paint and black cloak isn't the same guy who wrote Message In A Bottle.

**I haven't actually seen any of this, so perhaps unlike Lemieux, they've defied time and are still as physically fit as 1997. But I doubt it.

So while the Lemieux sideshow is going on, you've got a much bigger game happening outside of it. Both teams are reasonably healthy for the first time in their season series (minus Tomas Holmstrom and whatever mental-health tonic they're giving Chris Osgood) and both are rested. Since its the last time they're going to see each other this year, it presents the most level playing field to see who's better.

For the Sharks, though, I think the more important thing is to focus on getting consecutive road victories. Getting that winning streak going at home is great, but you want to shake off any road blues prior to the post-season, and that little funk from a few weeks back wasn't exactly promising. In fact, it was downright sloppy, and while you can blame a flu- and injury-depleted lineup, it still showcased a bunch of bad habits and poor decision making.

But hey, maybe the Lemieux thing will be a good thing after all. If the fans and the team wind up focusing on him (though I doubt Mike Babcock will let his team get too wound up about something that happened during the Bill Clinton years), perhaps it'll be a nice distraction to let the Sharks strike first.

Prediction: Sharks 5, Wings 4. Goals by Boyle, Thornton, Cheechoo, Roenick, and Clowe (PP).

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The fact that the 4th’s line’s ice time has gone up considerably since Claude joined the team to me means he’s much better than a C+. Even before Roenick came back, they were seeing 6 or 7 minutes instead of the usual 3 or 4. To me, that’s all Claude. He’s not just a dump-into-the-corners and grind guy, although he’s perfectly willing to do that. He still has the wherewithal to try and create a scoring chance, and that’s something the 4th line has had none of, especially with JR out.

by mepex on Feb 25, 2009 10:23 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

If I’m not mistaken, 6-7 minutes is about right throughout the season:

Average 4th line ice time
Dec 2 vs. TOR: 10:00
Dec 20 vs. NYR: 5:40
Jan 20 vs. VAN: 6:40
Feb 17 vs. EDM: 5:00

When you look at the ice time, you’ll notice a discrepancy depending on who’s injured and who’s not. For example, Tomas Plihal’s gotten many more regular shifts than, say, Riley Armstrong or Brad Staubitz.

by Mike Chen on Feb 25, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, good stuff, Mike. It’s not just this game, but this whole season — I can’t really believe how much disproportionate ink that Claude Lemieux has gotten compared to the rest of the Sharks’ squad. It’s like having a baseball season preview that focuses strongly on bat boys or something.

Oh well, drama has to come from somewhere, I suppose.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Feb 25, 2009 10:26 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

But still, it just seems rather absurd that so much is focusing on this one guy.

***cough*** Denis Gauthier! ***cough***

Just leave Heidi Androl alone!

by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 25, 2009 11:30 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

You Sharks fans might know him as the Marleau-headhunter on icing plays.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Feb 25, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah seriously, that DodgerBlueBalls guy just can’t seem to drop the subject.

Wait a minute…..

Fear The Fin: Where The Second Round Is Overrated

by Mr. Plank on Feb 25, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

DBB works OK...

if you’re into that whole brevity thing. And, Plank, I just enjoy the irony of pots & kettles telling each other what color they are. Aside from that, I can’t think of another time that I have discussed Douche-Canoe Gauthier’s hit last week. Can you tell me I’m mistaken here?

Just leave Heidi Androl alone!

by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 25, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

if you’re into that whole brevity thing.

Much to my chagrin, my girlfriend would say I am.

My bad dude. I thought you were involved in this discussion, and looking through the comments it seems like you weren’t. Once it was brought up again here, and then today, I just felt like it was getting beat to death.

Care for an E-Hug?

Fear The Fin: Where The Second Round Is Overrated

by Mr. Plank on Feb 25, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

My bad dude. I thought you were involved in this discussion, and looking through the comments it seems like you weren’t. Once it was brought up again here, and then today, I just felt like it was getting beat to death.

I think it’s safe to stop talking about Gauthier, seeing as how the suspension’s over… great, time to start losing again.

Fuck you, Denis Gauthier. You deserved that 5-game suspension.

by Kevin Y on Feb 25, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I understand your frustration at the topic

It’s been discussed ad nauseum on BOC the past week. I’m at fault for bringing it up here today, and I appreciate that you took the time to review the prior threads to see if I was involved (I didn’t believe I jumped into that scirmish). This evening I’ll be watching my boys take on the Philly 50/50 Bars, but rest assured I’ll be hoping that your Sharks rip a new one into Detroit.

Let’s E-Hug it out, bro…

Just leave Heidi Androl alone!

by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 25, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

— if Theo Fleury pulled the same kind of comeback and was on Dallas, Sharks fans would boo the hell out of the guy

In fairness, I don’t recall Theo Fleury breaking anyone’s face. He did most of his harm to himself.

Lemieux is hated in Detroit for the hit, the comments he made afterward (to the effect of “I made him famous” referring to Draper, I don’t recall the exact quote), and the complete lack of remorse and accountability he has shown.

Disclaimer: I am a Wings fan, I’ll be there tonight and I will boo “Clode”. I do however enjoy reading The BOC, especially Earl’s cartoons.

by mc keeper on Feb 25, 2009 11:57 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I do however enjoy reading The BOC, especially Earl’s cartoons.

My cartoons have never once broken anybody’s face.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, though.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Feb 25, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My cartoons have never once broken anybody’s face.

I’m looking forward to a Conn Smythe performance during the playoff run Sleek. Please don’t turtle on us.

Fear The Fin: Where The Second Round Is Overrated

by Mr. Plank on Feb 25, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

C’mon, then, GM Murray: Trade me to a playoff team. :)

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Feb 25, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hit the nail on the head Mike. This whole Claude coming back to The Joe thing has overshadowed what should be an excellent game.

Fear The Fin: Where The Second Round Is Overrated

by Mr. Plank on Feb 25, 2009 1:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

*If you don’t know this, there’s Sting the wrestler and Sting the singer. The dude in the white face paint and black cloak isn’t the same guy who wrote Message In A Bottle.

This is as shocking as the time I found out about the two guys going around the NHL both named Nick Backstrom. I had to change my imaginary Hart Trophy vote.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Feb 25, 2009 2:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

This is as shocking as the time I found out about the two guys going around the NHL both named Nick Backstrom. I had to change my imaginary Hart Trophy vote.

I remember before the start of last season, on ESPN, Barry Melrose (before the failure with Tampa) was giving his preseason thoughts, and said to make sure to look out for Niklas Bäckström* (of the Minnesota Wild) as a surprise player for the 2007-08 season. They showed a video clip montage thingy of Nicklas Bäckström (of the Washington Capitals). It’s perfect proof as to why you should never have two players with the same name in the league.**

*I love those diacritic marks. Why don’t they put those on the jerseys?

**It’s like back in 1997-99, when the Kings had Jan and Roman Vopat, Craig and Matt Johnson, and Rob and Jason Blake. It’s too fucking confusing.

Fuck you, Denis Gauthier. You deserved that 5-game suspension.

by Kevin Y on Feb 25, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The people who run the San Jose Mercury News website probably would get the two Stings confused if Sting (singer) came to play a show here. After all, they ran a picture of MARIO Lemieux when CLAUDE Lemieux was given that tryout contract. Now that would have been interesting!

by Mike Chen on Feb 25, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn’t it be awesome if Jocelyn Lemieux actually showed up at the pre-game skate tonight?

by ievans on Feb 25, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would give anything to see Sting in concert, although I fear I missed my chance. When I was in New York last summer, The Police were performing their final reunion concert EVER I think a couple days after my flight back home to Long Beach.

Fuck you, Denis Gauthier. You deserved that 5-game suspension.

by Kevin Y on Feb 25, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t see the Police tour — too expensive, I hate stadium shows — but the next best thing was seeing Sting’s Broken Music tour in a small theater. That tour was the drum/bass/guitar tour of Police songs and the more rock-focused solo material. As close as you’ll get to seeing the Police in a club.

by Mike Chen on Feb 25, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh boy. I can just feel the anger/expletives exploding from Sharks fans re: the overturned Pavelski goal.

by g r a c e on Feb 25, 2009 5:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeesh. Or the horrid coverage by Ehrhoff on that Zetterberg shorty.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Feb 25, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, and the non-whistle when the puck was up in the netting.

by g r a c e on Feb 25, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The referees are nothing to write home about, but they can’t hide the fact that the Sharks are playing awful and that Nabokov is giving up some real stinkers. Aside from that second goal, the other two were real softies. On the Zetterberg goal, if Nabokov has the angle covered properly, the shot goes wide of the net. Granted Ehrhoff blew coverage, but Zetterberg made a nice spin move and Ehrhoff wasn’t trying to get a hooking penalty.

Something about playing at Joe Louis that makes the Sharks an entirely different team. If the Stanley Cup goes through Detroit, I pray that we have home ice advantage.

by Will Bulldozer on Feb 25, 2009 5:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Is this game aired online anywere?

People who save up for a rainy day are like milk. And milk goes good with cookies, so you should have those people over for cookies.

by brokenyard on Feb 25, 2009 6:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Does this link work for you?

by g r a c e on Feb 25, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes thank you

People who save up for a rainy day are like milk. And milk goes good with cookies, so you should have those people over for cookies.

by brokenyard on Feb 25, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting game

I was wondering what the thought was on the disallowed goal. I thought it was a good goal from the angles shown but what do I know. The netting thing was weird. Last year same thing happened to the benefit of the Sharks and this year to the benefit of the Wings.

I have seen the Sharks play here in Colorado and they seem to play very differently at the Joe. Why is Thornton so easy to knock off his game there?

I’m praying the Wings will over take the Sharks in the standings so that they have home ice in the WCF (should both teams get there).

I can’t stand Lemieux but he really was a non factor. The best revenge for me was the Wigns 4th line getting a goal against him.

by hockeychic on Feb 26, 2009 8:08 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Let me see if I have this right

You’re an Avalanche fan, who hates Lemieux, so much so that you cheer for the Wings to stop the Sharks.

Well, alrighty then.

I'm a happy seal

by SwisherThresher on Feb 26, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

Not an Avs fan at all. I’m a die hard Wings fan that happens to live in Colorado and I attend several Avs games because I like hockey and a chance to see live games.

by hockeychic on Feb 26, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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