If You Can't Fight Because You Have a Broken Hand...

by RudyKelly on Feb 28, 2009 7:08 PM PST

...maybe you shouldn't be a little bitch and cross-check captains in the back. Kudos, Travis Moen.

Razor, what's more likely: Ducks players couldn't handle how "important" Steve Ott is to the Stars and finally had to do something about it, or

They don't like it when a guy cross-checks their captain and then gets into it with their goaltender. One or the other.

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What does Travis Moen deserve?

A suspension

37 votes

A beer

78 votes

Another free punch at Steve Ott

94 votes

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Haha, now Defending Big D is reporting that Steve Ott is going to get suspended for fighting with a cast on his hand. Awesome.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Feb 28, 2009 7:10 PM PST reply actions

That’s hilarious. Mess with the captain and the Omen will answer.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Feb 28, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions

Good to see Ducks standing up for each other.

People who save up for a rainy day are like milk. And milk goes good with cookies, so you should have those people over for cookies.

by brokenyard on Feb 28, 2009 7:25 PM PST reply actions

What does Travis Moen deserve?

It might be too late, but there might be a fourth possibility:

A contract extension.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Feb 28, 2009 7:37 PM PST reply actions

While the rough play there at the end of the game was certainly not called for

Ott was flat out attacked by three separate Ducks all at the same time. Moen was pounding away at him and Ott was doing his best just to hold him off. He throws a few punches back…and now he’s suspended. Great.

And while I don’t mind it when players stick up for their teammates….I don’t fault Ott for turning around and giving it back to Giguere either. Goalies aren’t given freebies to just horse collar guys and trip them up without consequence.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 28, 2009 7:38 PM PST reply actions

And it's not like he was just cross checking the snot out of Neidermayer

It was a bit rough but nothing out of the ordinary. It certainly didn’t deserve the ire of the entire freaking Ducks team.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 28, 2009 7:41 PM PST reply actions

You must not be very familiar with the reputation. At this point, it has to be considered an “expected” response.

Goalies aren’t given freebies to just horse collar guys and trip them up without consequence.

Goalies are given a lot of freebies in this league — there’s lots of evidence there, I think.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Feb 28, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions

I don’t know, if you’re a Ducks player and you turn around to see Steve Ott tangled up with your starting goaltender and your captain, I think you’re expected to do everything you can to make his life miserable.

This story would be a lot more interesting if Chris Pronger had gotten to Steve Ott first instead of second.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Feb 28, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions

Right..but uhhhhh.....you're goalie started it.

I just feel that Ott was pretty much defending himself.

However. I think the suspension may come because of something that happened with both players on the ice. If so…well, then I can’t defend Ott on this one.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 28, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions

But I see your point.

I can’t fault Moen for jumping in.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 28, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions

This story would be a lot more interesting if Chris Pronger had gotten to Steve Ott first instead of second.

Damn. Good point.

You blew it, Moen.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Feb 28, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions

Yeh that's true...

But still. If a goalie is going to go after a player like that, some kind of response is going to happen. So saying that Ott deserved to be pounced upon for going after Giguere is bull.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 28, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions

No, no. On the list of reasons to punch Steve Ott, the Giguere rationalization is very low. But the Scotty stuff on a faceoff with 2.5 seconds left to play I think is enough of a short-term reason.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Feb 28, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions

Look....

I don’t fault either side for what happened. Giggy was standing up for his teammate, gotta respect that. Moen did the same.

But the penalties and the suspension are what irk me. I ’m trying to figure out what Ott did that so much worse than anything else that happened.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 28, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions

Yeah, suspensions in this league are definitely head-scratching, and I understand your angle — it was largely a nothing play in the closing seconds of a close game.

But I’m not sure Ducks fans will be the most sympathetic on having to face the Wheel of Justice. We’ve gotten our share of suspensions in the past, and not many rival fans were too supportive back then. :)

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Feb 28, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions

True.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 28, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions

And I concur as well with what Brandon said

Truth be told, the fact Gaustad and Phaneuf avoided suspensions for head shots on some of your players is more of an outrage than what transpired today between Ott and Moen.

All your bench Sydor are belong to us TheStarsFans

by Brandon Bibb on Feb 28, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions

I expected Moen to get the match penalty. Maybe Murray calling out the leauge helped out there. I dont know.

But I voted beer, because I love beer, but the dude deserves a beer, a free punch, and a contract extension.

by Mike in OC on Feb 28, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions

I do like this poll, though. I’ve often wondered how many irrationally-voting Stars fans read BoC.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Feb 28, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions

I like how you and Brandon pretend not to hate each other.

People who save up for a rainy day are like milk. And milk goes good with cookies, so you should have those people over for cookies.

by brokenyard on Mar 1, 2009 12:27 AM PST up reply actions

I don't hate Earl.

Just because he’s a fan of the Ducks doesn’t mean I hate the guy. That’s the type of attitude in fans that drives me crazy. I’m a huge Cowboys fan and I actually have a pretty good friendship with an Eagles fan.

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by Brandon Worley on Mar 1, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions

It is interesting to see how the same incident can be viewed in completely separate ways.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 28, 2009 8:00 PM PST reply actions

Just replace Steve Ott with Corey Perry, J.S. Giguere with Marty Turco, and Travis Moen with Brian Sutherby — that’s in some sense where we’re coming from.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Feb 28, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions

And to be clear, I don’t think anyone here is saying Steve Ott deserves whatever technical suspension he’s getting — from our angle that’s just a hilarious side story to this play.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Feb 28, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions

Great point.

I’m just peeved about the Ott suspension. Like I said, I really can’t find fault with what happened from either side.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 28, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions

The match penalty is the main thing. If that happened just because he faught with a cast then what can you do. Maybe these guys need to change there style if they are instigators when they have a cast on the hand.

There is nothing worse than and instigator that will not drop the gloves though and I know Ott was under the Ducks skin all day.

I feel your pain Brandon, at this stage we are both playing for our lives, and playing to keep the GM’s from breaking the team apart in a fire sale, and this hurts the Stars in that respect. What Ott did did not derserve that for sure.

by Mike in OC on Feb 28, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions

Just to be clear

I get the response from every single Ducks player that was on the ice when they saw it was Ott cross checking Niedermayer. Like the saying goes, don’t start nuthin, won’t be nuthin.

I’m just puzzled as to how Trevor Daley could jump in and fight Brookbank after Brookbank hammered Loui Eriksson with a hard but clean hit, Daley be given an instigator (correct application of the rule), but what Moen did isn’t considered instigating.

To be sure, I hate the instigator rule, want to drown all it’s kittens, and in a perfect Gravypan world would never suggest that Moen should have been suspended. I also loathe all this fighting after clean hits. But both are other stories.

Also, whether Ott gets suspended or not ranks very low on my list of concerns about this team. I realize this is the same team that slept walked through March last season and gave absolutely no indication they’d be able to dispatch the Ducks and Sharks in 6 games each to make it to the Western Conference Finals.

Course in other ways thanks to injuries, it’s not.

Anyway, apologies for the F-bomb on Giggy in the earlier GDT.

All your bench Sydor are belong to us TheStarsFans

by Brandon Bibb on Feb 28, 2009 8:30 PM PST reply actions

Anyway, apologies for the F-bomb on Giggy in the earlier GDT.

Oh, no worries there. Even us Ducks fans have gone through “Fuck Giguere” stretches this season — and we don’t give a damn about the swearing.

Thanks for the clarification, though. Yeah, the situations aren’t terribly different — but looking for sense in NHL justice is like looking for life’s answers on a cereal box — it’s a losing proposition. To tell the truth, I still think the league’s suspension on Avery was even more b.s.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Feb 28, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions

Good on Giguere, I say, for stepping in and getting involved. Ott’s being a raging douche right in front of your net, damn right you oughta step in and do something. Shoulda slugged him in the back of the head with the blocker, hitting people with blockers is cool. (Remember when Hasek threw his blocker at someone in the playoffs, back on the Sabres?)

Also, the story at KK says that Ott is getting suspended for an eye gouge that apparently happened on accident when the two went to the ice. I got no problem with a match + suspension for an eye gouge, even if it was an accident. You don’t mess with someone’s eyes.

http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/hockey/comments/eye_gouge_has_ott_facing_suspension/

by IAmJoe on Feb 28, 2009 8:44 PM PST reply actions

Just so I understand your logic

Fighting with a cast is bad.

Fighting with a blocker, that could conceivably cause more damage than a cast? Well that’s OK if the target is Steve Ott’s head.

All your bench Sydor are belong to us TheStarsFans

by Brandon Bibb on Feb 28, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions

Disregard that last comment

I think this whole debate needs to die.

What’s done is done.

All your bench Sydor are belong to us TheStarsFans

by Brandon Bibb on Feb 28, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions

It’s not an unfair point, but yeah, goalies are in a different universe when it comes to rules about fighting.

BTW, I threw a link to your site on the sidebar.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Feb 28, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions

Yeah he was just joking around about the blocker part.

People who save up for a rainy day are like milk. And milk goes good with cookies, so you should have those people over for cookies.

by brokenyard on Mar 1, 2009 12:34 AM PST up reply actions

Only halfway.

I’ve decided what would’ve been the absolute best is if Giguere just leveled a backhand pimp slap across Ott’s face with the blocker. Now THAT would’ve been a keeper highlight.

by IAmJoe on Mar 1, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions

While saying “you OTTa have my money bitch.”

hooked on quack

by tu madre on Mar 1, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions

very nice.

by Mike in OC on Mar 2, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions

I didn’t say anything about a cast. In fact, I have pretty sweet memories of sports + casts, from high school football. I never broke a limb, but one of our guys, who played LB and Guard, broke his arm, so he got a cast, wrapped it up big time on gamedays, and used that mother fucker like a club. He was big and strong anyways, and with the club for an arm, he’d just pound through people, it was sweet, as long as you weren’t matched up against him during practice.

As for the actual situation here, I can see why a fight still happened. Things get heated, and you’re getting into it, and don’t even really think “oh shit i cant be doing this, i have a cast” until you’re already sort of into it, and then you can’t just walk away and beg off cause of a bad hand. Then you look like a bitch. It’s a definite gray area, but I can’t really fault him for getting into that situation with a cast on his hand.

As for blockers, I just think its cool, and sorta funny, probably a hold over from stupid shit back in my days of street hockey. Still a dick move, but its funny. I would’ve also accepted Giguere chucking his blocker at Ott.

by IAmJoe on Feb 28, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions

You don’t mess with someone’s eyes.

True, especially at the trade deadline.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Feb 28, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions

This video brings a HUGE smile to my face.
thanks Rudy.

hooked on quack

by tu madre on Feb 28, 2009 9:41 PM PST reply actions

Another free punch at Ott!!

As a sharks fan this is my favorite Ott beating

FTF: WAATMF (Where Acronyms are too much fun)

by idunno723 on Feb 28, 2009 11:03 PM PST reply actions

LOL, don’t be punk ass little bitch and then use the excuse that you can’t fight because of a broken hand. I find it especially hilarious that none of the Stars on the ice jumped into the scrum to help Ott.

If the roles were reversed, and that was Perry cross checking Zubov, and Barch was throwing bombs on Perry, you can bet your 401k that everyone in a Duck sweater would be barebacking Barch like a bitch in heat. Ha!

My only regret is that giguere didn’t go totally apeshit on Ott and go McSorley on that chicken shit piece of sloppy labia.

I don’t know what Stars fans expect Giguere to have done in that situation. Oh wait, I forgot, they would have expected Giguere to flop on his back like Turco does whenever an opposing player comes within 5 feet of his crease.

Don't bRuin your life. Make love with a Trojan

by Morbo on Mar 1, 2009 12:16 AM PST reply actions

Ott can't LEGALLY fight.

He has a cast on his hand. If he swings at a player with that hand then he will get a suspension, just like the one he’s facing now. So every time some player wants to fight him, he legally cannot oblige.

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by Brandon Worley on Mar 1, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions

Plus...

If the Stars players had jumped in on what was happening, then even more players could have faced suspension. There is this little thng called the “third man in” rule. The Stars can’t really afford to lose any more players at this point.

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by Brandon Worley on Mar 1, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions

By the way, this makes up for the incredibly crappy season Moen has had. Now I wish he wasn’t involved in the Pronger trade rumors. heh

Don't bRuin your life. Make love with a Trojan

by Morbo on Mar 1, 2009 12:20 AM PST reply actions

By the way...

If Ott did gouge Moen’s eye while they were on the ice, accident or not, then he gets a suspension. Can’t defend him on that.

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by Brandon Worley on Mar 1, 2009 9:32 AM PST reply actions

One game for Steve Ott, already served for yesterday’s match-up with Pittsburgh.

Also, Sean Avery on recall waivers.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Mar 2, 2009 10:13 AM PST reply actions

One game is a weak response, but he is now a re-peat offender. He claimed it was an accident, how do you eye gouge by accident? Adam Brady said in the vedio he saw the ref immediatly pulled his arm away from Moen’s face and said “what the hell are you doing?”

The good news is Ott will be playing when we see them this friday. That will be a interesting game for sure.

by Mike in OC on Mar 2, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions

Otts going down
down
down
down

hooked on quack

by tu madre on Mar 2, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions

The good news is Ott will be playing when we see them this friday. That will be a interesting game for sure.

At one point, I had Row B seats for this Friday’s game. Now instead I will be out of state traveling and not watching it at all. In a metaphoric sense, somebody has gouged my eye out.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Mar 2, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions

The good news is Ott will be playing when we see them this friday. That will be a interesting game for sure.

My hope is that they’ll be able to ignore Ott. I mean, the guy’s hand is still broken, right? So he still can’t fight, but he may try to goad the Ducks into taking stupid penalties.

by g r a c e on Mar 2, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions

“Gets into it with your goaltender”

Is that what it’s called when the goaltender cowardly whacks you from behind with his stick and puts you in a head lock?

by Brad Gardner on Mar 5, 2009 6:58 AM PST reply actions

Giguere did what he did because of the crosschecks to Scotty — I don’t know if it’s terrible or unprecedented. I’d rather see that than see no reaction.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Mar 5, 2009 7:17 AM PST up reply actions

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