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by jamestobrien on Mar 4, 2009 1:03 PM PST
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This might get awkward — you guys will still write here when I change the blog title to “Battle of Chicago”, right?
http://www.battleofcali.com/
Shit, I haven’t been writing about the state the blog is named after for the last two years. Why change now?
Blackhawks fans like random Stars updates, bubble overanalysis and PBR/pro wrestling references … right?
(Oh wait, STARS/California Fans DON’T like that? Well, f-f-fuck… tries not to cry. but cries)
are just clearing salary what are we doing here?…why sami..?…he was showing promise on the pp also…..?
i assume there is some master plan to all this
El Spade-o
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Mar 4, 2009 1:11 PM PST reply actions
Should be no need to clear salary, considering how much open salary is on the books for next year for the Ducks.
I haven’t heard what is going to Anaheim for each of Pahlsson, Moen, and Huskins, but I don’t think theres any way to sell those moves as anything more than a new GM making a big fuckup, and taken for a ride by other, better GMs, on an exciting day.
The only other thing I can think of is trying to keep operating costs low, but when you have a pretty decent team, in a non-traditional market, and are coming off of a recent cup win, now is not the time for trying to just coast and save money. I feel bad if Anaheim is taking a pretty decent team and deciding to try and completely rebuild, cause that would be retarded.
your not helping here joe…i guess this is payback for us trashing detriot
El Spade-o
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Mar 4, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
Should be no need to clear salary
No, it’s asset management. Bob Murray isn’t as emotionally attached as we are, but he probably did the right thing today, even though we hate it. The UFA count is down from 10 to 5, and whatever assets the Ducks picked up today aren’t assets we would have gotten in the summer.
But dammit — I don’t think right now is the time for me to be doing serious analysis. Tonight, perhaps.
http://www.battleofcali.com/
yea im wounded man…..wounded deep my friend…kunitz was a tough pill to swallow.(especally seeing him socre 3 goals and assista already with Pitt) now sami and black snake moen
i hope sleek is right and joe is wrong on this…fuck im in some kinda shock
El Spade-o
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Mar 4, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
Well yeah, if you want to look at it in terms of “hey we got a couple of cones and pucks for Pahlsson, thats better than nothing, right”. But I think some of those guys should’ve been resigned, particularly Pahlsson and Moen, and maybe the cheaper of Huskins/Montador. That is a much better way to bring down how many UFA’s you’re looking at this summer, as opposed to giving them away for whatever you can get. Further, in a summer where spending figures to be tighter, its not like you’re going to have to worry as much about getting some crazy offer given to the guy. Their earning power would be limited, and thus, they would be more likely to resign in Anaheim, unless they were particularly unhappy there. Futures are nice when you’re really trying to rebuild, but I honestly don’t see why Anaheim should feel that they need to rebuild anyways. If you’re a shit team, you rebuild. If you’re a good team going through a transition, you try to reload, while keeping your team’s identity and core. The Ducks didn’t need to rebuild, they needed to reload, and had the cap space to find creative ways to do it. Now they might’ve pushed themselves into the rebuild mode.
Dammit, I hope the Hawks don’t resign Pahlsson. At least before, he wasn’t in our division, and the Hawks always play the Wings particularly tough anyways.
Yeah, but 10 UFAs means rebuilding no matter what — and I’ll make a case for the firesale tonight after 700 deep breaths.
http://www.battleofcali.com/
Not really, it only means that if you don’t want to or are unable to resign any of those UFA’s. Resign a few, maybe make a play or two in the RFA market (San Jose is ripe for the picking btw, I’m posting about that on Mirtle later in the week, once nhlnumbers gets updated for all the deadline action), and then maybe bring up a kid or two. I’d say the most damaging thing to the Ducks would be the uncertain status of guys like Neidermayer(s) for next year, because it holds the organization in limbo. A decent rebuild while still remaining a good team was certainly doable, but it would really seem that they threw in the towel on that today.
Not really, it only means that if you don’t want to or are unable to resign any of those UFA’s. Re-sign a few, maybe make a play or two in the RFA market, and then maybe bring up a kid or two.
And it’s tough to tell you that this isn’t the exact strategy that GM Murray is doing. It just seems that the UFAs we’re looking at re-signing now are all named Niedermayer, Beauchemin, or Marchant.
It had better not be goddamn Hedican, that’s for sure.
http://www.battleofcali.com/
Well, thats true, they could just be resigning other guys, but unless theres more to the Pahlsson situation than what is publicly known, I would have to say that they made a wrong choice or two, and more than that, did not seem to get what they should’ve in return, especially for Pahlsson. I wonder how many people even knew that Pahlsson was up for sale, cheap. Should’ve been some sort of bidding war, but given how late the news came in, I would have to wonder if Dale Tallon didn’t call the Ducks at 2:58 and say “Hey, I’ll give you a bottom pair defenseman for a pending UFA” and caused the Ducks to shit all over themselves trying to get something done in 2 minutes, without considering what they could get, or trying to maximize the return. If that’s the case, good on Dale Tallon.
Also, I know Burke had been getting permission to spend more the last couple years, in large part based on proven success with the roster. I wonder how much of this, plus the upcoming offseason decisions, is determined by what ownership wants to spend now that its someone besides Burke and Burke’s roster on the Ducks now.
Given that knife sticking out of your back though, I still think this is a good reason to throw in the towel and join the Dark Red Side. Come draw pictures Datsyuk’s head and make jokes about salary cap crunches!
A lot of good points. Only thing to add is that the Ducks also got a draft pick somewhere along with the d-man in the Pahlsson trade (from what I’ve heard).
http://www.battleofcali.com/
I haven’t heard what is going to Anaheim for each of Pahlsson, Moen, and Huskins, but I don’t think theres any way to sell those moves as anything more than a new GM making a big fuckup, and taken for a ride by other, better GMs, on an exciting day.
Um, no. See, there’s this thing called UFA? You might want to look into it. Especially since Detroit is going to have a serious dilemma with those same 3 letters in july …
. I feel bad if Anaheim is taking a pretty decent team and deciding to try and completely rebuild, cause that would be retarded.
The only thing retarded was that sentence. Rebuild what? 2 checking line forwards that will be overpaid come july 1st, a #5 career journeyman d-man who is also a UFA, and a #4/5 dman who regressed this year and has been made redundant by the rookies that replaced him? It’s called buy low, sell high.
The Montador deal is a smart move by Murray. That’s classic sell high on a UFA. Boston wins too, they get depth for the D, and add some grit.
Sad to see Sammy go, but he’s gonna become overpaid, and the Ducks get good return in Wisnieski.
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u have filled the void while sleek has been in shock….i feel a little better know..thanks
El Spade-o
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Mar 4, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
will do…need to grab a beer though…that would help fo sho
just gotta get over the emotional connection…seeing moen forecheking hard for the sharks will be a tough pill to swallow…
El Spade-o
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Mar 4, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
Um, no. See, there’s this thing called UFA? You might want to look into it. Especially since Detroit is going to have a serious dilemma with those same 3 letters in july …
They’re only a UFA if they don’t want to resign, or you’re not able to resign them (which is not the case with Anaheim, at least pending some sort of real low internal salary cap). Most of the core (Pronger, Whitney, Giguere, Getzlaf, Perry) is already signed for next year, and the UFA’s involved are players who are performing a specific role, and are generally pretty good at it, and are cheap, to boot. Its not like anyone is breaking the bank for guys like Marchant, Moen, or Pahlsson. Maybe there is more than is publicly known here, like maybe Selanne kicked Pahlsson’s dog, and now Pahlsson will never wear a Duck’s uni again. But barring that, it seems like the Ducks are kinda giving up here.
The only thing retarded was that sentence. Rebuild what? 2 checking line forwards that will be overpaid come july 1st, a #5 career journeyman d-man who is also a UFA, and a #4/5 dman who regressed this year and has been made redundant by the rookies that replaced him? It’s called buy low, sell high.
The Montador deal is a smart move by Murray. That’s classic sell high on a UFA. Boston wins too, they get depth for the D, and add some grit.
Sad to see Sammy go, but he’s gonna become overpaid, and the Ducks get good return in Wisnieski.
I don’t imagine Pahlsson making anything really unreasonable, especially in the current economic climate, no ones going to throw a ton of money at him. He could’ve been kept around for 2M less per year, and I’d say that’s highly worth it. I’d say Kris Draper is a very good comparable. Give him something like 1.75/year, and you have one of the very best defensive forwards in the game, who has been a huge player in Anaheim’s recent successes. Most Pahlsson is gonna make this offseason is probably about 2.5M, which ain’t bad, when he’s legitimately worth somewhere in the 2M area. If you can get him to take 2M or a bit less, to not have to uproot his family or whatever, then shouldn’t you do that?
Moen isn’t going to get overpaid anywhere either. He might get 1.5-ish on the open market. Resign him for something like 1, 1.25, and everyone is happy. Now for resigning Moen and Pahlsson, we’re up about 750K, maybe a million at the very outside, for next year’s budget, with two less holes to fill. Instead, they were dealt for futures that could take several years to make an impact at the NHL level. Anaheim is building a team, and more than that, they’re building a fanbase in an area that is notoriously fickle about its sports teams of any kind, much less hockey. Trading popular guys, trying to play cheap, these are not strategies that are conducive to creating a long term, thick-and-thin type of fanbase.
Wisniewski is a bottom pairing defenseman. Pending certain resignings this summer, its entirely possible he could be a 7th D and not play much. That plus a draft pick is what you got for one of the top defensive forwards in the league, who you think some teams are apparently going to decide is worth a truckload of money. But if he’s really worth that much, shouldn’t the Ducks have gotten more for him? Either he isn’t worth a whole lot, which means the Ducks probably could’ve kept him fairly easily, or he was worth a lot, and the Ducks probably didn’t get enough for him.
Fair points, except:
(a) it’s quite possible that Pahlsson and Moen draw considerable interest this summer. Playoffs 2007 isn’t that far back in people’s minds, especially for GMs who saw their top lines stifled by the Pahlsson trio.
(b) there is some correlation between their next contract amount and their trade deadline value, but there’s obviously going to be some fluctuation. Impossible to say, really, how much more GM Murray could have got — not every team needs a checking center or wing right now. We got more than the trade return for Guerin (probably a bad example), even though it’s possible Guerin might get paid more than Sammy next summer (though that might not be true at all).
© it’s going to be tough to criticize or defend these deals to any great extent until we see how the money gets spent this summer. And that’s really where we probably have to sit for a few months.
http://www.battleofcali.com/
I would use Mike Grier and Kris Draper as good comparables for Pahlsson, though both are farther in their careers than Pahlsson is now. Mike Grier has been making 1.775 for the last three years (which takes him back to the same age as Pahlsson is now). Draper is in the middle year of a 1.583/yr for 3 years contract. Before that, Draper was kind of a different case, as he filled his role and was a fan favorite on a team that had no cap ceiling, but even still, before that, he was making about 2.12/year, when he was having his best years.
I don’t think the market out there is that incredible for these guys. For guys who put forth a consistent good effort, are fan favorites, and whose primary body of work is defensive, it probably tops out at about 2.5 million, and especially in a year where less teams than normal are going to be taking on less money than normal… I think the best thing to do for an organizational standpoint is to keep them, rather than risk losing that goodwill with your fans.
Not terrible comparable players, but anybody who has been playing on the same contract for 3+ years means they signed their deals at something like a $40M cap. Even with times as tough as they are, it is a new landscape.
I think Mike Grier in particular is in for a very nice payday this summer.
I think the best thing to do for an organizational standpoint is to keep them, rather than risk losing that goodwill with your fans.
For better or worse, the Anaheim fanbase doesn’t appreciate the Pahlssons and the Moens as much as they should. Whether it’s right or wrong, the fanbase will respond more to news about a Niedermayer, Pronger, Selanne, or Giguere than some of the hard-working grinders. Give ‘em some time, but for now, the fanbase relates better to top-line stars than depth. I’m sort of an anomaly more than a representative.
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Bah, apparently Earl got the rest of the specifics on the trade.
Still not a good deal imo. A low Dman + a prospect for Pahlsson, an AHL’er, and a conditional pick?
Neglecting salaries and terms, yeah, that does look like a bad deal. But it’s quite possible Chicago gets maybe a month out of Sammy (depending on his mono and their postseason fortunes). Either side could end up kicking themselves (though I’ve already started).
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you guys read murrays comments yet?
he said he traded those UFa’s because he wanted to stop the practice of letting them go without getting anything in return…also said sami, moen, huskins all indicated they would test free agency..and that contrat negotiations were going nowhere
whats your thoughts on that?
El Spade-o
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Mar 4, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
To me, seems like Murray doesn’t want them back, whether or not they want to come back.
I’m a bit surprised that he traded Moen and Huskins to the Sharks, possibly a 1st-round opponent for them, let alone a division rival. I don’t know much about the prospects they got in return, but I’d suspect Murray mustn’t be too disappointed with their potential.
Good move for the Sharks; didn’t they lose a couple guys to injuries recently?
Fuck you, Denis Gauthier. You deserved that 5-game suspension.
Well, if that’s really the case, I have to wonder what Anaheim was offering. They’ve done pretty well the last couple years under Burke in keeping big money in a few guys, and then getting everyone else in on bargain contracts. If the guys who’ve been bargains during the recent successes wanted to finally see that good faith pay off, and the team wanted them to keep taking bargain deals, then that is a mistake on Anaheim’s part, both contractually, and reputation-wise with future negotiations. If those guys really just think there is a big pay day out there waiting for them, then I guess that’s their prerogative, but I think they’ll be somewhat disappointed at how many dollars are available, with this black cloud hanging over the market.
But that’s the thing — even if it does turn out disappointing, the players do want to see what’s available.
Hey, maybe nobody offers anything and they come back to their homes in Anaheim. Though at this point, it’s not smart for me to think anything resembling hopefulness.
http://www.battleofcali.com/
I hope, for the Ducks sake, that its those guys trying to swing for the fences and get the home run contract, and not management trying to cry poor. Few things go over as poorly as a team in a big market trying to act like its a small market team. It just pisses people off all around.
But I thought the Ducks are a small market team? At least that’s what they said in 2003 when we played NJ in the Finals, 2 small market teams, were fucked (I’m paraphrasing there)
The problem in 2003 wasn’t small market teams, it was two hugely defensive-minded teams in a SCF series.
The Devils are not a small market team. They’re just a team that has played a boring style to watch, which has created watchability problems. At the time, Anaheim was a non-traditional market with pretty much no previous success, playing nearly the same exact style as the Devils. While I loved watching the Ducks 2003 run (except for that first round playoff series), particularly those games against the Stars, a lot of people suck and don’t watch hockey if it’s defensively oriented at all. These were the people who were crying in 2003. Anaheim is certainly no small market team, its just a nontraditional market, and there is a difference.
Don't feel too bad, duck fans
It’s not as if your team just traded away Patrick O’Sullivan for a indefinitely sidelined broken hand.
Just leave Heidi Androl alone!
Also, Kings ship out O’Sullivan for Justin Williams? What is the motivation behind this move? Unless there are extra draft picks going to LA to be revealed here, it seems like a stupid move. Williams isn’t really any better, is hurt, and is older than O’Sullivan, I believe. The best case here for LA is for Williams to play just as well as O’Sullivan, and call it a wash. Why make the move at all, when thats your best case?
Hell, if anything, O’Sullivan is a pretty decent young player, use him in Rudy’s offseason package for Kovalchuk. I really don’t understand this at all.
So sorry Earl.
Thought of you when I first heard about Sami.
Hahahah
Is this right? Islanders trade Guerin to the Penguins, in return for a conditional 5th rounder, the condition being that if the Islanders make the playoffs, it becomes a 4th rounder, and if they win a round, it becomes a 3rd rounder.
Are the Penguins just making fun of the Islanders or what?
People who save up for a rainy day are like milk. And milk goes good with cookies, so you should have those people over for cookies.
I think the conditions are set on Pittsburgh’s playoff success, not the Islanders (well, I assume). But I like your theory — it would be hilarious.
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Oh I see.. hehe.
People who save up for a rainy day are like milk. And milk goes good with cookies, so you should have those people over for cookies.
Hey, according to our favorite new site, if the Islanders go 19-0-0 from here on out, they have a .000056% chance of making the 8th seed… but that’s only because the site makes it so where the team wins all their games 1,000 times. Notice that in 25 million simulations, only twice did they even go 17-0-2?
They aren’t eliminated just yet.
Fuck you, Denis Gauthier. You deserved that 5-game suspension.
Ha, that would be an excellent prank if true. In fact, division rivals should make it a policy to works such unreachable conditions into trades with each other, a way of stomping them when they’re down.
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Yikes.
So sorry, Sleek. You too were the first person I thought of when I heard about the trade. I haven’t commented here like um, ever and this was enough to get me out of that slumber. One of you other boys better be keeping a close eye on him.
Thanks for stopping by at my low point, Sherry (I kid).
I’ll tell you this — nothing brings out Sleek-well-wishers more than a Pahlsson trade. And by “well-wishers”, I mean people checking in to make sure I haven’t jumped off a bridge.
http://www.battleofcali.com/
At least we just played our last game against Chicago, so unless we meet them in the playoffs you won’t have to watch him try to beat his old team.
People who save up for a rainy day are like milk. And milk goes good with cookies, so you should have those people over for cookies.
And by "well-wishers", I mean people checking in to make sure I haven’t jumped off a bridge.
Yes, I confess I’m dropping by more as a “gawker at a tragedy” rather than a “well-wisher.” In truth I was hoping for a little blood or perhaps a domestic incident, but this was still worth the trip.
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Did the trades actually make sense??
I also wonder if the reason for the trading of these guys is the difficulty that Murray would have in resigning them as UFA’s. That has got to be a big motivation for the trades. Also, if we were to resign Pahlsson, Moen, Huskins, and Montadar as UFA’s, what would the cap hit be for all of them – about $5.3 million ($2, $1.2, $1.1, and $1, respectively)??. Can the Ducks afford that?
Is the reason for this because they want to keep Pronger, Niedemayer (Secret meeting revealed more than what is in the media), and Whitney? Plus with Giguere and Hiller, I don’t think the Ducks could afford to spend that much on checkers and bottom pair defensemen, especially with their need of 1 or 2 more top six forwards (Although it’s now looking more like they’re only going to need 1 more with the play of Ebbett).
So is the idea behind the trades is to get what they can in prospects and draft picks and bring in some more youth to fill in the bottom D and checking roles for the team? And to get that top 6 forward they still covet, they’re going to need all the money they can free up.
Also, in regards to the trades, I think this leaves the Ducks in a pretty decent position.
The play of both Mikkelsson and Brookbank has made both Montador and Huskins expendable. As long as Frenchie and Scotty re-sign, the Ducks are in great shape defensively.
From a forward prespective, as long as Carter can step up as a checking center, along with Miller as a checking wing (Hoping the Ducks find a top 6 forward this off season), the Ducks can throw Mike Brown or Rob Niedermayer (What’s going to happen to him??) on that checking line and I think they’ll be pretty decent there.
The fourth line is also pretty solid. As much as I hate to see these guys go because of the emotional attachment to them, I don’t see these as being bad deals at all for the Ducks.
This is exactly how I’ll feel in some distant tomorrow. Today, it kills me.
You may be guessing low on the total — we’ll check it come July 1st, but here’s how I’d guess salaries (somewhat dependent on length of deals):
Pahlsson — 2.2
Montador — 1.5
Moen — 1.2
Huskins — 1
Morrison — he’ll even get 1.8, I think
http://www.battleofcali.com/
im curious to see how the ducks respond on friday
El Spade-o
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Mar 4, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
Forgot to mention
Forgot to mention that the Ducks did get Wisniewski who is a pretty good D-man and will only be an RFA this off season. So I think we can assume the Ducks resign him – the only real reason you would trade for him. That leaves the Ducks even stronger than originally believed to be on defense.
sorry still not feeling better….
El Spade-o
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Mar 4, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
were expecting some great cartoon or graphic for this one…art of suicide wouldnt seem to be enough this time….
El Spade-o
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Mar 4, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, he’ll probably like being called Vishnevski once he learns that the alternative nickname is “You, sir, are no Pahlsson.”
http://www.battleofcali.com/
side note…is it just me or does bob murray talk like a Leprechaun? thought he was gonna sell me some irish spring when i heard him talking
your right sleek….this weisnski whatever the fuck his name is….better be kick ass..so far
kunitz > whitney
El Spade-o
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Mar 4, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
is it just me or does bob murray talk like a Leprechaun?
I actually don’t think I’ve heard his voice since the day he was hired, and don’t recall anything like that — but now I’m curious.
http://www.battleofcali.com/
if true…i bet u can come up with some great graphic when your talking about him in your posts..think lucky charms or that silly horror flick with the guy from willow..
cant belive there like 10 of those…and one them going to the hood!!! who puts up money to make those kinda movies?
El Spade-o
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Mar 4, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
The fourth line is also pretty solid. As much as I hate to see these guys go because of the emotional attachment to them, I don’t see these as being bad deals at all for the Ducks.
Totally agree with Wooster. I think Murray did a pretty good job today, he made smart decisions.
I really like Wisniewski, I think he can become a good 4th dman. He’s not afraid to drop the gloves, and he has some decent offensive potential. Nothing crazy, but similar to the kind of numbers Montador put up this yr.
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That O’Sullivan-Cole-Williams trade stinks for everyone except the Oilers. Is O’Sullivan just a dick or something? He’s already been dealt twice in his career.
yea thats a head scratcher for the kings……but hey look at us!!
El Spade-o
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Mar 4, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
The problem with Patrick O’Sullivan is that when the chips are down, it’s too easy to start calling him “that P.O.S.”, which gradually starts affecting the way you think about him.
http://www.battleofcali.com/
starting to feel that way about murray
El Spade-o
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Mar 4, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
Two notes on Moen and Huskins
…courtesy of David Pollak (he has ten items listed, here are two):
7) The conditional pick the Sharks gave up starts out as a fourth-round selection in 2011. It moves up or down, or even back to the Sharks, depending on everything from how far the Sharks advance in the playoffs to whether either Moen or Huskins re-signs with San Jose or end up back with the Ducks.
9) Moen will wear No. 24 with the Sharks; Huskins will wear No. 40.
http://www.battleofcali.com/
Also, here are the specifics of the Pahlsson deal
Including some names I didn’t see until Mirtle listed the trade details:
UPDATE The full deal is actually as so: Defenceman James Wisniewski and centre Petri Kontiola from the Blackhawks in exchange for Ducks centre Samuel Pahlsson, defenceman Logan Stephenson and a conditional fourth-round selection in 2009.
So more players than we thought, and the draft pick in question is ours, not theirs.
http://www.battleofcali.com/
sounds like we kinda gave up alot?
Well…lets just hope this mono kicks him in the ass (sorry, I know you probably don’t want to hear that) and that we really come out on the good end of this one.
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Hm, that makes it more interesting. Kontiola’s HF profile:
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/petri_kontiola
Talent Analysis
Kontiola is a dangerous playmaker who utilizes his teammates very well, choosing to make the pass over the shot. He is still rather slight, and could stand to add some more muscle.
Future
He could be a legitimate #2 center in the NHL.
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Two quotes from GM Murray
Courtesy of the OC Register blog:
On his general deadline strategy:
"We’ve let assets get away from us and got nothing for them," Murray said. "That had to stop … We couldn’t let these unrestricted free agents go. They love it here. They want to stay here. But they look at you and say, ‘I’ve got to try free agency.’ "
On Nick Bonino, one of the pick-ups from the Sharks:
"We think we got one of the top prospects in hockey," Murray said. "We’ve got to get help at center ice. No way I’m dealing with (San Jose GM) Doug Wilson unless I get this guy. He sees and feels the ice unbelievably well."
Sounds good, but somebody tell that kid to stop feeling the ice. It’s unprofessional.
http://www.battleofcali.com/
depends what hes feeling the ice with..
El Spade-o
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Mar 4, 2009 4:05 PM PST reply actions
II just decided to come on today, so can somebody spare me and tell me what was said in all these comments?
So sorry, Sleek. When I first looked at thefourthperiod.com and saw Pahlsson was traded to the Hawks, I almost wanted to cry.
As for the day in review for the Ducks… they did a hell of a lot. Obviously, they were sellers, as they lost Pahlsson, Moen, and Huskins to trades, and Morrison to Dallas via waivers. They’ve still got Pronger, Niedermayer, and Whitney, but I feel like they’re giving up on the season.
Fuck you, Denis Gauthier. You deserved that 5-game suspension.
im ggonna take the optomistic approach and say they saw enough in mike brown, ebbet, miller, mikalsson, etc…to feel they ccould make these moves..and you know what..when u look at it that way…maybe not so bad?
El Spade-o
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Mar 4, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
Murray made a not-so-veiled threat that indicates otherwise:
I fully expect this team to run for a playoff spot here. I don’t think with this defense, I don’t think we’re anywhere near out of it. I expect our players to make a good shot at it. I see no reason why they can’t. If I sense in any way, shape of form that some of our players think we’ve sold and they quit, well there is two times in a year when you get to do things with your team. One is the trade deadline and the other is at the draft. If I sense these players throwing in the towel, the draft is not that far away and we’ll rectify that situation.
Perhaps, but it’s not like Pahlsson or Huskins has worn an Anaheim uniform in the last month.
I think he gave up more on the notion of early re-signing than on the season itself. Keeping Pronger is a big deal there.
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speaking of keeping Pronger
That was funny how he came out and said Pronger was officially off the table this morning before all the fireworks, and then kept his word.
I suspect Pronger did something Sammy, Moen, and Huskins failed to do, express a desire to remain an Anaheim Duck.
Reading Murray’s comments,
He’s a hard-on-the-puck type player, has some skill and competes hard. He has a little bit of everything. He needs an opportunity and is going to get one here. He went to Boston and ended up behind some good players there and never really got his chance. He’s going to get his opportunity at center ice here to blossom. I’m happy about that. We need centers and some young players here.
sounds like Nokelainen (damn, freakin finns and their vowels) is going to slot in on the 3rd line to replace Sammy.
The Atlanta deal with Christensen, he is a skilled player and can play center or left wing. He has pure skill and can move the puck, handle the puck. He needs to play with good players. He had 18 goals with Pittsburgh a couple of years ago playing with good players. I think he’s the type that can play with good players and we have good players here on our top two lines. He needed that opportunity and he’ll get that opportunity here.
sounds like Christensen gonna get a shot with the twins on L1.
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That, or they move Ryan to L1, and slot Christensen with Ebbet/Teemu
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I like option 1 better (though we’ll see once I find out what the guy looks like). Getzlaf and Perry — they were almost designed to carry along a passenger. Better to use a so-so player in that spot than waste B-Ryan’s talents as a tag-along.
Subject to change, of course.
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What No Tread on the Erik Christensen Acquisition?
Everyone LUVs his “potential”…hopefully it works out better you than it did for us :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIJn9Ii1Fic
I like him even better now.
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he tore his acl in that fight
same knee for the THIRD time!!!!
Hawks fans are meh on the trade but Wizzer is a great chemistry guy who shoots a slow delivery shot too often. People say he’s a 5/6 Dman, but he’s capable line 2 guy. With the depth you guys have a D, I would expect him to be on the 3rd line.
"Oh, that's easy. White Sox. I'm not one of these fair-weather fans. You go to Wrigley Field, you have a beer; beautiful people up there. People aren't watching the game. It's not serious. White Sox, that's baseball. South Side." -O'Bama
The truth comes out. Murray got Christensen so the Ducks don’t suck so bad at shootouts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un0gbqZ8SwI
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