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Don't trade Joe (and other thoughts from Game 4)

Look, I'm not going to lead you astray on this one. While - yes - I did attend Game 4 of BoC, my analysis of the game itself would be completely useless. In fact, I think my understanding of this game decreased the more I watched it. Let me share the few things I DO remember from the game.

  • Spade was the lucky winner of the "sit with James sweepstakes" but he'd be a liar if he said I was a good (or bad) guy. Why? Because we were blind drunk by the second period and therefore interacted on a mostly sub-human level (which is a good thing, seriously). That being said, Spade seems like an above-solid dude with an an equally solid goatee.
  • Both Ducks and Sharks fans are largely docile humans. Every time I tried to start some shit, I ran into a wall of easy going-ness. Fuckin' happy people.
  • There was one dude in a Joe Thornton jersey that I heckled on our way from the Honda Center to the bar. His come back was about my belly. I wish I was sober enough to use this retort: "Hey, at least my gut shows up in the playoffs." Har har har.
  • I was almost able to take a camera phone photo with some random chick that was shaking her boobs on the Jumbotron. It would be more accurate to blame the failure on my drunken phone shortcomings but instead I'll blame her not-especially-amused boyfriend for the letdown. Oh well. Guess you'll have to take my word for it.
  • Was talking to some (much, much, MUCH) more knowledgeable Sharks fans about the future of the franchise after the game. The sentiment (reasonable enough) was that the team should trade Jumbo Joe or Patrick Marleau.

Conceptually, that makes some good sense: Marleau and Joe are the "leaders" of the team on multiple levels. Even if you rush to defend the top two picks of the 1997 draft, you only have so many huge contracts you can throw around and need to make them count. These things aren't lost on me.

But my question is: how can you possibly get anywhere near equal value for those guys?

NHL history includes very few superstar trades that work out for the team letting a big name guy loose. Usually a team unloads a superstar because they cannot afford him (Ottawa trading Marian Hossa), because the team has an unclear vision (Thornton's first trade) or because the GM is just a flat-out imbecile (Roberto Luongo traded for a neck breaker; just about every move made by Mike Milbury).

It must be difficult to live in the "THAT close" zone. Sharks fans are hurting right now, but SJ still has a reason to feel that they're on the cusp. Why not take one more shot with the core still being in prime years?

Joe Thornton - 30 years old

Patrick Marleau - 30 years old

Dan Boyle - 33 years old

Evgeni Nabokov - 34 years old

Combine those guys with some younger players who still have potential to improve (particularly Vlasic, Pavelski and Setoguchi) and you have to think it's worth another run. Trade Jon Cheechoo? That probably works, but trading one of the two stud centers would disembowel a team that still has good hockey to play.

The team made moves to get older and more experienced, which made some people think this season was a  "now or never" year. Especially since they had their greatest regular season ever. Don't forget, though, that it occasionally takes more than one year for a big move to yield a Cup (take Ray Bourque's trip to Colorado as an example).

My ultimate advice for Sharks fans: lick your wounds, enjoy your blissful existence outside of hockey and go surfing. It's all going to be OK.

(Eventually)

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by Doogie2K on Apr 24, 2009 7:39 PM PDT reply actions  

yea man..i dont remember much of anything…watchin the highlights..the first bobby ryan goal looked familiar…and i remember the empty netter….thats about it…so im hoping maybe you can clear some stuff..up…since i was drunker then you..i was drinking the parking lot….before i even met up with yous guys(all italian) so here are some questions:

-i was shocked to learn..the glass broke…when the fuck did that happen?

-what did we do we do during intermissions?….i dont ever remember getting up to go to the bathroom….did I pee on the floor?

-did I almost get into a fight with some shark fans next to us?

-like i asked u earlier….do you have any clue how i got red stains on my hat?…maybe sleek knows…did some chick freak on my hat….all superbad style?

i do remember that guy we talking shit too…i think i kept asking him…“yo i didnt see game…what was the score?”….i said that about 10 times…what he didnt know..is that..i really didnt fuckin know!!!! i was just being a dick

couple other observations:

-mr plank is tall muthafucker…like sleek..there 2 twin towers…they were using me as a stool

-no amatuer drinkers here…james, sleek, plank and IC weiner i think his name was..all can hold there liquior…everyone buying shot after shot..no one backed down..or said..naw man im good…..

-plank wanted to punch me and james….cuz he was pissed about the sharks..im guessing i wouldnt have felt it

-james is not a cali guy…you can tell hes not from around here….hes cool as fuck though…anyone that can keep up with my drinking….gets into that hall of fame..that i speak of

-sleek is smarter than everyone…those stats you see him post on Boc…he has all memorized….and spits out information like a penis…..

-james is a closet pens fan….oooooooohhhh i let the cat out of the bag

-IC weiner is a out of the closet Sabres fan……

-the crowd was better by the way….or it seemed that way

im gonna try to draw a cartoon of the drinking Boc ers….well see how it comes out…stay tuned

Yippe ky yea...mini sirlion burgers!!

by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 24, 2009 10:40 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

….do you have any clue how i got red stains on my hat?…maybe sleek knows…

Dude, I have no idea. Maybe Plank and I got nosebleeds from being so tall?

-plank wanted to punch me and james….cuz he was pissed about the sharks..im guessing i wouldnt have felt it

I’m damn proud of Plank for (a) sticking around postgame, and (b) not taking a swing at any of us.

-sleek is smarter than everyone…those stats you see him post on Boc…he has all memorized….and spits out information like a penis…..

Well, hopefully with less splash.

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 25, 2009 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Word

Pack of fucking alcoholics, straight up. Good stuff.

Plank wanted to punch the world after that game, I’m guessing he would have missed. That was a lot of shots.

Hey dude, I fucking love the Sabres! I won’t hide it!

I will say that Spade is very well-spoken in person. I was mildly surprised.

Good times. I’ll drink with you scumbags any time.

by I.C. Wiener on Apr 25, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

yea im just lazy on the keys at work…..10 hrs a day will do that to you…

anytime man…..

Yippe ky yea...mini sirlion burgers!!

by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 27, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Greatest comment ever. Agreed on impressive drinking … no one even HESITATED. I felt a little “toxin’d” but not even that hungover. My guess: the healing powers of Jager (wonder-drink) plus I vaguely recall eating a hot dog and a pretzel. Plus I basically slept all fucking day.

It looks like Game 5 isn’t going to happen, but if there’s a game 6 I’m there. That was a big barrel of fun. Good times.

When I'm not battling in California:

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by jamestobrien on Apr 24, 2009 11:34 PM PDT reply actions  

you didnt answer any of my questions…or you just dont remember like me

yea im sure will cross paths again…hopefully this is a long run for the ducks….more oppurtinity for drunk times…and write great stories for boc.

Yippe ky yea...mini sirlion burgers!!

by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 24, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only part of the game I remember more clearly than you did was the glass breaking. I remember my idiot drunk brain feeling with a sense of panic that time hadn’t passed.

The red hat thing is a mystery, but that Knocked Up reference was GOLD.

This trip’s been awesome enough that I think I’ll need to visit California again some day. Great times so far.

When I'm not battling in California:

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by jamestobrien on Apr 25, 2009 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seconded on the greatest comment ever. Good fucking times, hopefully I can make it down for game six.

If fucking necessary of course.

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by Mr. Plank on Apr 24, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed on impressive drinking

Wow, nice, good thing it wasn’t me who went, at best I’d be hilariously bad at drinking.

Nobody cares about your opinion.

by brokenyard on Apr 25, 2009 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

You should meet up for Game 6 (if necessary and if you can). It was a great time.

When I'm not battling in California:

http://www.cyclelikesedins.com

by jamestobrien on Apr 25, 2009 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

do not trade joe

I agree, we should look really close at nabby, marleau. I mean this series as a whole is embarrassing as a sharks fan. I have been a sharks fan since their existance, i was there when they were winless in their first 16 games i believe. Now the entire NHL are laughing at this team!!!! I am sick of hearing the same BS well we got to try harder, I love this team but this series is done. If you are going to trade someone look either in trading marleau cheechoo or yes even nabakov. Do not trade joe, make him captain!!!!

by sharksfan on Apr 24, 2009 11:52 PM PDT reply actions  

im not sure whats wrong with the sharks…i mean they got skill..lots of size…weve had troubles with there center..not being able to match-up..

i guess if u had to trade someone..id go marleu..and heres why..as a non-sharks…fan…i never notice Marleau…but i sure as hell notice big joe…someone said Marleau had a great year…im like huh?..that guy just doesnt scare me…he seems soft…joe might be soft…but he makes up for it with his passing like greztky….u keep joe…add some more finishers around him….cuz if u dont want him well take him…we havent had a passer like that since adam oates (the Bocers brought that up last nite….we were name dropiing all nite)

Yippe ky yea...mini sirlion burgers!!

by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 25, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

allow me to say the mini surloin burgers

that reference has allowed me to overlook the fact my hand look SO OLD. However any ducks fans cept ivenans has nothing cept respect in my book.

The fat lady is clearing her pipes. Time to shove some corn down her throat.

by joe579 on Apr 25, 2009 6:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

You know, I was going to say “I’d trade Nabokov before Marleau or Thornton” but didn’t feel like doing the research to back that claim up. Nabby needs to be able to steal a game or two one of these days.

When I'm not battling in California:

http://www.cyclelikesedins.com

by jamestobrien on Apr 25, 2009 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

How many times are you going to watch Thornton float his way through the playoffs before you get it? He’s terrible. You want to make him captain? I just don’t get it. The guy is 2009’s version of Mats Sundin on downers.

by Sean Zandberg on Apr 25, 2009 2:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, dude. My aunt suffers from Mats Syndrome.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Apr 25, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

So do I :)
It’s harsh, but it’s just my opinion. I wish Joe wasn’t like this. He’s a big dude with so much more potential, especially in the playoffs. The guy should almost be a 1-man wrecking crew and be able to take over a series. He probably can’t be traded because of a no trade clause (right?) It’s too bad.

by Sean Zandberg on Apr 25, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Earl Sleek

What about us sharks fans in the valley who simply have pelosi destroying our state, on top of joe thornton, and have a miserable hot summer ahead of us minus the women you sleek Asian bastard you in so cal. ZA WARUDO, ANAHEIM DUCKS MOBILE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIDA-WRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!! </obscure meme reference>

The fat lady is clearing her pipes. Time to shove some corn down her throat.

by joe579 on Apr 25, 2009 6:19 AM PDT reply actions  

I took heat before the season when some had the “would you rather Joe or Vincent Lecavalier” question when I was honest enough to say Vinny. My reasoning was playoff performance. Vinny takes a dive in the playoffs, but Joe totally disappears. Vinny’s numbers are dipping, but he at least looks interested. Joe? Not so much.

Besides, I still stand by my final reasoning: if I want a guy floating around while my team loses when it matters, I want him to be hot and have a sexy French accent.

Joe = the kind of guy that would be cool to hang out with; Vinny = for some odd reason the kind of guy I’d do unspeakable (and possible illegal in some states) things to

by schtimpy27 on Apr 25, 2009 12:07 PM PDT reply actions  

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