Red Wings vs. Ducks: G7 pre-game open post
by Earl Sleek on May 13, 2009 7:52 AM PDT
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This time I opted for Detroit's alternate Octopus logo.
We shall see what the aftermath of the postgame scrum in G6 is (other than another round of hyperbole by Wings fans -- forget what they said earlier in the series or a few years ago, this for sure is the biggest outrage of their lives), but for now here's just an open thread for any pre-G7 chatter. Predictions, accusations, superstitions, nail-biting, bargaining with the hockey gods -- whatever you guys want.
It's down to the fucking wire.
Go Ducks.
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you made the wings sword bigger…ill assume Mc duck knows how to use his better?
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on May 13, 2009 7:55 AM PDT reply actions
You’re probably reading too much into it — let’s just say I tried to make the sword-length ratios equal to the regular season scoring rates of each team. Or I just made each sword the right size for each swordsman.
Or it was just late last night when I drew it.
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great cartoon..though..
hey why the fuck did the ducks get the misconducts at the end of the game?….hossa was the asshole trying to be the 3rd man in on every scrap that was going on…hes a fuckin douche bag diver by the way….i guess he counters teemu..bust still hate the guy..
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on May 13, 2009 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
just realized i should have called him captian “duck” sparrow….
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on May 14, 2009 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions
forget what they said earlier in the series or a few years ago, this for sure is the biggest outrage of their lives.
HA! Seriously. The over-developed sense of entitlement amongst (most) Red Wings fans is too much to bear sometimes. A-holes. Good luck to your boys in game 7 Sleek. Can’t wait to see what happens.
It’s becoming quite the “cry wolf” syndrome — every playoff loss has its own built-in excuse, or some cry of “thug hit my player” or whatever. I’m not saying that they shouldn’t be upset by what happened, but at this point, I think it’s largely falling on deaf ears.
Yup, what’s Gary’s sinister anti-Wings plot this time?
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Don’t you know? The Red Wings have never ever lost a game. It is only a vast conspiracy by the NHL to cause them to lose. And when they win it’s because they managed to thwart the NHL’s evil attempts for a game.
Like last night on A2Y, everyone was complaining about the ice conditions being the reason the Wings weren’t winning, as if the Wings are the only team that had to deal with them. Eventually one of the guys there said “Uh you guys can complain about the ice all you want, but it has nothing to do with why we’re losing”.
Nobody cares about your opinion.
everyone was complaining about the ice conditions being the reason the Wings weren’t winning, as if the Wings are the only team that had to deal with them.
When did Sharks fans become Wings fans?
Oh yeah…when this series started…
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Knowing the Wings don’t normally fight, (“the power play is our weapon”… oh, if I have to hear that one more time…), Gary had someone put “something” in the water to increase aggression, and made sure it was the top lines that were fighting at the end of the game so he might be able to suspend some of that Wings talent for game 7.
or some such nonsense…
I’ll be surprised if there’s any suspensions for G7 — and if there is, it’ll probably hit the Ducks harder than the Wings. Let’s hope the league takes the stance of “boys will be boys” on this one.
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The strangest thing about that postgame brawl is I saw basically none of it. TSN’s director is an incompetent boob and seemed more interested in aftermaths and shoving than the actual throwing of hands. I had to watch the Versus feed on YouTube this morning to see what the fuck actually happened.
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I had to watch the Versus feed on YouTube this morning to see what the fuck actually happened.
Wow, that’s something I never thought I’d hear. Is this the first time in history that Versus executed better than the Canadian broadcast? Or is TSN (or their director?) the red-headed stepchild?
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Maybe the director was asleep at the wheel, or maybe he was Quantum Leaped forward from a 1960s Hockey Night in Canada production, back when they used to cut the cameras away from fights because the sponsors didn’t like it. I dunno, but every time Chris Cuthbert got excited that two more stars were chuckin’ knuckles, the camera was trained on some other shit altogether. It was maddening.
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On Suspensions
Can’t imagine there would be suspensions here because:
a) by the Cammalleri standard, these guys are all non-repeat offenders (read skill players). You could argue Perry is a goon, but he’s not of the Carcillo message-sending brand.
2) no instigators in the box score. I didn’t see an instigator penalty in the box score. People like to say the NHL DIDN’T suspend Walker, but really they rescinded the suspension which is mandated by rule 47.22 (i think that’s it) if there’s an instigator in the last 5 minutes of a game.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on May 13, 2009 11:41 AM PDT reply actions
My dream ending to this series is Chris Pronger one-timing a slapshot for the go-ahead goal with 4 minutes left in the period. Pronger gets his revenge for the 1996 Yzerman clincher (Please tell me he played in that series).
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He did play in that series
He also played in the 2001-02 series where he tried to kill Steve Yzerman, and ended up shredding his own knee. I hope he always remembers that.
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Hmmm…I remember thinking that was an ill-advised departure from Pronger’s position to make a hit at the blueline (I think Yzerman had just gotten rid of the puck?), and Yzerman ducked, shredding the taller Pronger’s knee. Foolish, but not attempt to kill, by Captain Elbows’ standards.
Was that the same year Gary Thorne told us 5,000 times that Yzerman was playing “ON ONE KNEE!!!” {gasp!} or was this a different year laced with fawning ESPN hyperbole? God, that tale got as old as 2001’s Campaign To Win Ray Bourque the Cup.
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Well he was trying to make a big time late hit on a one-legged Yzerman. I call that trying to kill him.
Yzerman really was playing on one knee though. He dragged the team through the first two rounds, actually leading them in scoring. By the third round against DEN though it was just too much. I don’t know how many times that spring I saw him get knocked down and have to grab a dasher board to pull himself up. It really was one of the guttiest postseason performances I’ve ever seen. He had to have massive reconstructive surgery on the knee as soon as the playoffs were over. I think that was the surgery where they put a cadaver’s ligaments in his knee to replace his own shredded ones. Mike Richter had that surgery as well. Yzerman ended up missing most of the next season, recovering from the surgery.
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Ah, nope, the knee surgery he had after the 2002 cup wasn’t the cadaver’s ligaments one. Wikipedia says it was something called an Osteotomy, which is basically a procedure where they go in and start cutting up your shinbone and your thigh bone, in an attempt to get the main stress of the knee to rest on a different and less-damaged area of cartilage. Caused him to miss 66 games the next season while recovering from the surgery.
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He was pretty well fucked up throughout the entire playoffs though. It was pretty incredible to see.
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Either way, sounds gruesome.
…But I remember tiring of being beaten over the head with it.
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Hey Now
There was no reason to bring the Avs “miracle” cup run into this. Cheese and rice ;)
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Hee hee, I know, I’m sorry ;)
It all just reminded me of how nauseating those springs were for me, when in back-to-back years I suddenly couldn’t stand hearing about two classy Hall of Famers because of the constant beating of that narrative into our heads. (Eight weeks of “Ray Bourque has never won the…16W…” will do that.) But this is why I often don’t mind that hockey isn’t on ESPN, or that the NHL isn’t more popular: Less packaging, more beer.
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I was actually kind of glad to see the Avs win that one, honestly. If the Wings couldn’t have it, then we might as well see Bourque get his ring.
Now about that banner at the Pepsi Center…
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Seriously, that is the dumbest jersey retirement in NHL history. That’d be like the Sharks retiring Rob Blake’s jersey if they won it all next year or something.
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One thing that I took from the BoC trip is the reluctance to embrace Ryan Getzlaf, which stuns me a bit. Sure, he makes his fair share of bonehead plays … but the guy is putting up Crosby/Ovechkin numbers against LIDSTROM and the Sharks. If the Ducks win a Cup he is my imaginary Conn Smythe winner.
Nothing makes hockey fans angrier than ill-advised drop passes. Just study the hollowed out carcass of what was once Jason Spezza.
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Or certain sections of the Oilogosphere excoriating Sam Gagner. Kid’s 19; he’ll learn not to do that shit unless he’s sure soon enough.
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is only because no other NHL player can be Peter Forsberg. Many try and many fail.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Heh. I turned the game on last night periodically to check the score while my band was rehearsing at my house. I had to do a triple take to see Niedermayer fighting Datsyuk. Was that bizarro world? And if so, what does bizarro Joe Thornton play like? More importantly, what does bizarro Alexei Semenov play like?
It was crazy. Between Niedermayer & Datsyuk this round and Whitney & Pavelski last round, who knows what’s in store for G7? Rob N. vs. Ozzie?
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Ozzie did fight Patrick Roy before. How about Babcock fights Carlyle with a sudden drop-by of Todd McLellan?
Babcock fights Carlyle would be a real intresting fight…both are mean ass motherfuckers…
or how bout farrish against the big mustache assistant coach for the wings….(forgot his name..even though he was with us years ago)
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on May 13, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
tee-hee….looked like he just won the lottery…alfred hitchcock..that5s what i call him
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on May 13, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
“It’s becoming quite the "cry wolf" syndrome — every playoff loss has its own built-in excuse, or some cry of "thug hit my player" or whatever. I’m not saying that they shouldn’t be upset by what happened, but at this point, I think it’s largely falling on deaf ears.”
Earl I hope you’re referring mainly to commenters(ors?) and maybe a few sensationalist beat writers. Pretty much every stop in the Wingosphere today includes admissions that our team played like horse shit compared to what they are capable of.
I for one think that ice conditions have never won or lost a hockey game. If there’s any Wing fans out there who are only complaining about this, please hang yourselves.
The postgame shit was maddening. Hyperbole or not, you have your choosing of passionate reactions to what went down. It’s hard not to respond in such a way when sucker-elbows are flying and Brian Rafalski (you know, the quiet little bald guy) gets jumped. I’d expect the same response out of any other fanbase.
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I for one think that ice conditions have never won or lost a hockey game.
Gotta agree there. I think sometimes fans forget that both teams are skating on the same ice. I’ve seen plenty of games at the Shark Tank with shitty ice, and they had no problem doing what they wanted (this was October through February…after that, of course it was the shitty ice).
Exactly. The Wings lost because they didn’t challenge Hiller like they did in Game 5, because Datsyuk is trying to beat everyone 1-on-1 at the blue line on every possession, because Corey Perry had time to jerk off on Osgood’s mask he was so open for that tip-in, and because they played with the intensity of a November game against the Islanders. Heart wins out over bad officiating and everything else, no matter how you dissect it afterward.
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I don’t understand any ice complainers in the Wingosphere. The ice was bad, sure. Not as bad as it can be in Anaheim in May, but bad. But why keep trying cross ice passes when you know the ice is bad? Why refuse to adjust your game? And then why peg that as the reason you lost when Anaheim missed out on a couple of sure goals of its own based on some ice-related bad passes?
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on May 13, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
No, you’re right on a lot of counts, and I’m way oversimplifying. You’re right to be outraged, too.
But like it or not, it’s become quite a regular pattern, and I’m not sure there’s any superlatives left. This is way cheap, but Detroit’s city motto should be “Detroit — where it’s despicable to complain about elbowing one week but then back in vogue the next.”
It’s just tough sometimes to separate the valid complaints from the other stuff.
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your talking about the holmstrom… i was just turning around…didnt know he was there…
sounds like the excuse when u get a chic pregnant…i turned around and my penis just went into that vagina…..ok bad example…dumb joke
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on May 13, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
uh … okay … do I say anything to bring this thread down or just walk away fast
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by ang6666 on May 13, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
yea us commentors also need to throw the kitchen sink….“could” be our last meaningful comments for awhile
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on May 13, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
haha..were you on my “sword bigger” comment above..i thought you might have died or somthing
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on May 13, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah … I was avoiding temptation there!!
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by ang6666 on May 13, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, we’re just not going to see eye-to-eye on Homer’s elbow. But I will say this, which is contrary to what many of my Winged brethren have exhausted themselves over to this point — I am not convinced that Homer’s elbow was 100% unintentional. He was spinning out of a tie-up, yes, but he swings his elbow before any other part of his body. However I don’t think this is grounds for saying “he definitely knew what he was doing.” The behind the net replay looked worse than the side ones. After the game the only part of it I brought up was the hypocricy of Niedermayer saying “Everyone knows what they’re doing out there” while playing for a team not known for being, um, delicate.
And S-I-V, any time you can squeeze in an accidental penis insertion joke it is never dumb; well said.
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haha….thats speaking to angies heart right there..“accidental penis”
scotty has no illusions that he has a team of goons…in fact maybe thats why he’s most qualified to make that statement and makes it all the more true
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on May 13, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, we’re just not going to see eye-to-eye on Homer’s elbow.
Actually, I imagine we’re pretty close — I would have gone no penalty, no suspension, and it’s totally wrong to use it as a Niedermayer comparison — except that the very same language that Wings’ fans so vehemently defended Homer now is working against them. Back turned and spinning? Vertical victim?
I think there’s a real case for suspension, except (1) it’s Scott and not anybody else, (2) it’s G7, and (3) Datsyuk seems OK. As for the rest — just ironic, I guess. The very same guys who don’t like Ducks saying “gutless” are quite free about using worse terms now.
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by Earl Sleek on May 13, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
cant belive there were elbows thrown but not prongers….it was some weird twilght zone episode out there…almost like that moving the happening when people start just killing themselves….
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on May 13, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously! I didn’t see him in any of the Versus YouTube clips, but the TSN feed did have a couple shots of him (perhaps expecting something?). He was out on the ice, tying some Red Wing up, watching the Niedermayer/Datsyuk bout, and looking as calm as could be. Bizarro world indeed.
i looked outside and was shocked not to see iowa chops flying or hell freezing over
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on May 13, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
very cheap … so below you … :)
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by ang6666 on May 13, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
It was like I had a miniature demon (in the form of Sean Avery) on one shoulder saying, “C’mon, they’d definitely take pot shots at the Ducks if the Sharks had won…” And an angel (in the form of Scott Niedermayer — whose halo is a bit tarnished after last night) on the other shoulder saying, “Yeah, but if Sharks fans did take those pot shots, it would sting, right?”
So the comment was Avery winning. But Scotty made me add the parentheticals. Gloating is much harder when you know and like the opposing team’s fans. : \
that’s the curse of BoC … bringing us all together … so we can’t fully hate each other … as much as we would like to … :)
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by ang6666 on May 13, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously. It’s like I told my wife yesterday — I hate certain players on the Ducks more but I’ve had so many goofy BoC conversations with their fans that I have a hard time hating the team now. Damn you Spade and your unique attempts at spelling!
i try jue know
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on May 13, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I will say, I’m pretty surprised at how Pronger has just plain stayed out of the spotlight this series. I’m sure he doesn’t intentionally go looking to end up at the top of all the highlights shows for bad reasons, but a lot of times people make sure he gets there anyways. He’s been real good this playoffs about not getting into trouble and just playing a good solid game without going too far. He’s almost been quietly invisible, but not in a bad way. Just doing his job, doing it well, and not doing anything to draw negative attention to himself.
I’ve never watched a game from the standpoint of going against Lidstrom. What’s it like?
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I can’t really speak to watching a game* from the standpoint of going against Lidstrom because I’m not focused on him — I do notice the frequent good plays he makes, especially when the analysts point them out.
But I’ve been just as surprised as you are about Pronger’s play, and I think you described it really well.
*holy crap, I initially spelled “game” as “gaim.” Halp!
“Quietly frustrating” is probably appropriate. I used to think that you had to budget your team’s offense around Lidstrom’s off-shifts, because you basically weren’t going to get any looks while Nick’s on the ice.
But he’s a guy you admire while he’s killing you — incredible, incredible player / pain-in-the-ass.
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Interesting take. Lidstrom could be the greatest defenseman I ever see play yet there are relatively few opposing fan’s accounts as to what it’s like watching him (on the flip side you could be blind and deaf and have an opinion on Chris Pronger). “Quietly frustrating” seems about right, I’d imagine.
What about Holmstrom? While we Michiganders admire the abuse he takes and his tendency to get under everyone’s skin, I wonder what others think. When he’s not wielding his elbows, do Duck fans think he does what he does “illegally” like Pronger says? Just curious, not trying to start a nuclear war.
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Lidstrom could be the greatest defenseman I ever see play yet there are relatively few opposing fan’s accounts as to what it’s like watching him…
Probably why it took a decade for him to win the Norris (well, that and the voters repeatedly return to the same well(s), as now demonstrated by his reign). His game is quietly dominating, so the voters probably didn’t hear the same buzz they had associated with the other winners in the ’90s.
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Hell, I was the guy on Fanhouse advocating to give Lidstrom the Hart last year. But that’s also because I hate the eastern conference.
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I hate the eastern conference.
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by jamestobrien on May 13, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
we should all…and there micky mouse defense….oops..hope my roomate isnt reading this
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on May 13, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
What about Holmstrom?
Holmstrom is definitely a pain to play against, but there’s definitely an admiration for the way he’s perfected his role. I’d have him on my team any day of the week, he’d make my fringe snipers twice as effective.
He does get some flak (and some questionable reversed goals) as a guy who overcrowds a goalie, but I don’t have a problem with that. It’s what makes him a valuable player and a fuckstick to play against.
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What about Holmstrom?
I’m a Ryan Smyth fan, so naturally, I like the cut of his gib.
He can still fuck himself when he’s in front of Roli, but I respect his game.
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Oh, Messier, easily. Smytty cried twice — when we lost the Cup in ‘06 and when he was traded in ’07. Messier’s been doing that shit on an annual basis since the mid-90s.
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