Ducks' season over, a bit later than expected

Perhaps the last cartoon for a couple of weeks -- Sleek's on vacation.
And so it ends, the seventh game that wasn't supposed to happen, in the second round that wasn't supposed to happen, after the first round that wasn't supposed to happen. Here's my comment from last night post-game, I really don't have a ton to add to it:
First off, thanks for any condolences, but here’s really my feeling on this one. Of all the times that Anaheim has been eliminated from the postseason, this one hurts the least. I actually feel pretty good.
Joe keeps mocking me for saying this, but we weren’t supposed to be in the playoffs, we weren’t supposed to survive round one, and we weren’t supposed to push the Wings to the closing minutes of G7. Sure today could have had a different ending, and that would have been swell-icious, but I’m happy we weren’t blown out in really any part of these playoffs.
We found out we have a killer goalie in Hiller (one big offseason question: will anybody approach Giguere about his no-movement clause? that’s a big $6M sitting around if it’s not being used), a blueline maybe better than 2007 (more summer questions to be answered there), a top line that might be among the best in franchise history — all2324 or younger, I think, and that guys like Niedermayer, Selanne, and Marchant all had lots in their tank. And as noted, we have a new GM in Murray who hasn’t done anything close to wrong yet.
Yes, the lesson is kind of trite — the first 70 games of a season do matter — and we may have to ask what really went wrong there. But it’s pretty much been all smiles since that 1-0 regular season loss where I declared the team’s season dead — and I can’t truly complain about that.
Congrats, Wings and (a few of you) Wings fans — held your end of the deal quite well. I will be rooting against you in the next round, but it has nothing to do with bitterness and everything to do with Sammy Pahlsson. Ducks fans, you may have been surprised at what a mess I’d have been next round had the Ducks advanced — Sammy’s got that much a hold on me. But should the Wings survive that, I have zero interest in a Carolina or Pittsburgh cup.
And fuck blaming refs, guys. Leave that to the amateurs.
Feel free to throw in your own post-series thoughts or summer musings in the comments as well.
As is my usual habit after an Anaheim season ends, I'll be taking a week or two off serious blogging (though this "Wayward Teams" series does offer some intrigue), to recharge for an interesting summer ahead. Chin up, Ducks fans -- even though my least-desirable outcome happened (losing to righteous Wings fans is never easy), I think we brought out the worst in a lot of them, and that's saying something. Serious props to IAmJoe, Justice & Rule, hockeychic, A2Y, and TD Tyler (sorry if I missed anybody) for stopping in and offering level-headed opposition comments -- I will say this, at least from a BoC comment perspective, this series was way more civil and productive than 2007.
After the jump, a collection of Ducks-Wings cartoons, from this series and beyond.






Per the odd-numbered year pattern, I suppose we'll be doing this DET-ANA postseason battle again in the spring of 2011 -- enough time for both franchises to catch their breath. Until then...
Go Ducks.
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I feel good.
When I first saw the score board showing the Ducks lost I felt bad but then a happiness came over me. I felt wonderful that my Ducks kicked some Shark ass and had a fighting chance against the Red Wings. I’m looking forward to next year and I feel proud to wear my Ducks gear even though the Ducks are eliminated. I’m proud of all the guys in the locker room who came out of no where and made an attempt to win the cup when no one even thought they would make the playoffs. I cant wait til next year!!
That’s the spirit.
I was at first tempted to make my season-ending cartoon along the Cinderella / clock strikes midnight theme, but in the end, it didn’t really make sense. There never really was that moment where the wheels came off this bus and the Ducks played like their midseason versions. They played exclusively against the west’s best and truly never looked out of place.
Well played, Ducks. Enjoyed it immensely.
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I couldn’t bring myself to read the last 80+ posts on yesterday’s GDT, so I’m glad you reposted this here. Well said, Earl — it gave me a lift.
And also, enjoy your vacation, you’ve earned it. All in all, it’s been a great year here at BoC, hasn’t it?
All in all, it’s been a great year here at BoC, hasn’t it?
I think that’s a pretty safe assumption :)
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by jamestobrien on May 15, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Hell, it’s been a great three years. Not much I can complain about at all, blog-wise. We’ve lucked out in a lot of ways.
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You make your own luck
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In some ways, sure, but having Mirtle start the blog was definitely a traffic boost not many get. And the very fact that none of us writers knew each other at all before BoC (and really don’t communicate that much outside of what you see) — some of that is definitely luck.
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Regarding the “avenge me” cartoon … I would like to thank the Wings for avenging the Sharks. :)
Actually, it was a very good series. But now it’s time to cheer on the Hawks!
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by ang6666 on May 15, 2009 9:31 AM PDT reply actions
Per the odd-numbered year pattern, I suppose we’ll be doing this DET-ANA postseason battle again in the spring of 2011
God I hope not. Even two years isn’t long enough of a break from what just happened. If it’s worth anything to you Earl, it feels like we just played Jason Voorheis 7 times. I hope it didn’t take too much out of the Wings, that series was incredibly tough.
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If it’s worth anything to you Earl, it feels like we just played Jason Voorheis 7 times.
It’s quite worthwhile in my book. My postseries thoughts would have gone a way different version had the Ducks gone the way of the Jackets.
You want to know the amazing thing about the Ducks’ run in my book? The Ducks gave the Sharks 12 1/2 more minutes of power play time than Anaheim got (43:59 vs. 31:28), and the Ducks gave the Wings 15 more minutes of power play time than Anaheim got (50:59 vs. 36:02), and despite those discrepancies — Anaheim’s power play outscored each of their opponents.
I think it’s getting to that time where the Ducks get serious about evening up that discrepancy — imagine what could have happened had thipower play time been even close. Note: I am not blaming the refs here, Ducks dug their own grave. Still, some food for thought.
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I think the ascension of the Getzlaf-Perry-Ryan trio should dictate a change in style for the Ducks. If they play smart hockey – rather than handicap themselves – they might be a perennial headache in the West.
I won’t be surprised if Wings-Ducks dominates the next decade of hockey, to be honest.
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by jamestobrien on May 15, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
wish list
move Giggy to a nice new home where he can be a dominate #1 (in the east), and use his salary savings / trade return to keep our existing blue line (minus Buechimen depending on his salary requirement) and build a ligetimate second line with speed and skill that does not depend on Teemu. Maybe a bad ass FAST skilled center that can score with or without Teemu.
That second line with the exixting #1 line and our Defense, plus Hiller…Forgetaboutit!
Pretty sound theory.
Two questions, I guess: (1) What do you do with Marchant? (2) What do you do with Rob?
Both are fairly tricky, both will definitely depend on dollars, and (2) may hinge a bunch on Scotty.
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I think in both cases you let them walk IF they do not sign a lesser contract. 2.5mil+ is too much for Marchant, and Rob 2mil+. I think you could replace those guys with cheaper/younger versions.
My only exception is Scott. If thats a package deal then so be it, keep Rob. We must sign Brown though, and maybe Christionsen (i’m not 100% sold on him though).
Do you think Sammy’s contract is going to be less than he expects? Most people outside of Anaheim do not see the value in that guy because he scores under 10 goals a season. Do you think he will be surprised with his FA value? Maybe we get him back in place of Marchant. I would think Anaheim would place his value above other tteams strictly looking at his point production and faceoff sucess.
I said at the trade deadline that I would have a hard time seeing Pahlsson get more than 3.5M/year at the outside. Probably closer to 3 or maybe even 2.5. That would be pretty comparable to other well-paid “shutdown” type guys. If you can get him for under 3M, I’d say its a pretty good move. I dunno how old he is, but maybe even up the term and lower the dollars if you want. Earl said at the time that a lot of ANA fans are ignorant of what Pahlsson does for the franchise, but if he helps the team in April, even if the casual fans don’t appreciate him, he’ll still have a worthwhile effect.
If his price actually goes much over 3M, I’ll be pretty surprised. That’s a nice chunk of change to spend on a offensively challenged shutdown guy. I’d look for a 2.5M/year type deal.
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I’ve already declared that Pahlsson is the one guy that (in my mind) we can’t overpay — even if it’s brutal, I’ll look the other way.
Yeah, it’s not smart — but this guy did so much for the team as a $600k player for years he’s due some back pay.
Realistically, though — I’m thinking he’s going to get somewhere in the $2 – $3 M range, and that’s not terrible. We’ll see what GM Murray does, though. This needs to be a decision that gets made by somebody less smitten than I am.
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I’d need to see Hiller play at least half a season as starter before I’d be ready to ship Giggy. He’s impressed me, but how’s Bryzgalov doing these days? Hiller’s brought me to the cliff, I just need a little more reassurance before I jump.
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Fair point — and I assume you mean another half-season in addition to the one he’s already provided?
As for Breezy, maybe that reinforces what we mentioned earlier in the playoffs — perhaps the key re-signing this summer won’t be a guy named Niedermayer, maybe it will be goaltending coach Allaire (though there’s nothing mutually exclusive there — just a prioritization).
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Not only that, but if Giggy is to be shipped, he needs some playing time next year to show that he isn’t the goalie that just lost his job without a fight.
Is it actually a no-movement clause, or a no-trade clause? If its no trade, thats a little different, and they could (I think), at worst, stick him in the minors, and he’d have to pass waivers, allowing some bottom feeder like Atlanta or NYI to pick him up. If nothing else, they can threaten it. If its no movement, I don’t think you can even do that.
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I’m pretty sure it’s no-movement, but that’s on memory. Burke basically gave him every assurance he could, because of Jiggy’s hospitalized infant kid.
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I know what you mean here, but I would wonder exactly how well that could be done. You’re locked into Perry and Getzlaf, and you know they’re taking their fair share of those penalties. Then it also begs the question, do you continue to keep Pronger around after next year? As far as I’m concerned, Pronger makes that team work. If you just replace him with another Beauchemin or something, I’m not as scared of the Ducks. On that note too, you’re simply going to take a lot of reputation calls, if you keep the same personnel but try to change the system. I don’t really know that you can do that and keep Perry/Getzlaf/Pronger.
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I’m not talking about a change in personnel at all — maybe on the grunt or grind lines. But more a coaching emphasis on “here’s some penalties we could avoid going forward”.
I think those kids could grow up a bit on some of their antics and still be effective players, and if Carlyle needs any spreadsheet evidence of how effective it could be for team results, I’m always available by e-mail.
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Almost did it. I was pulling for you guys. :\
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time to catch up on my DVR now...
all of these games and now the Ducks are out… so I guess it’s time for me to finally catch up on the past few weeks worth of shows on the DVR. I think it’s getting a wee bit full…
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Earl, I was pretty dismissive of your playoff chances when you did our Q&A in The Committed Indian back in the beginning of March. But this is not the same Ducks team it was then, and I was really impressed at how far the Ducks could push Scum when it was clear they were running on fumes. Getzlaf, Perry, and Ryan are going to be a problem for everyone for a decade, with Hiller to boot.
Hopefully, you’ve softened up Scum just enough for us to push through, I think we can, and we welcome you aboard the Pahlsson bandwagon. Maybe having you back supporting him will bring out the best in him, which we haven’t seen yet.
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Pahlsson is now the only player I can think of (offhand) who is 2-0 lifetime in playoff series against DET. I guess I can sort of keep Giguere in that category if I include an asterisk about how he barely played in this series.
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Pahlsson is now the only player I can think of (offhand) who is 2-0 lifetime in playoff series against DE
You enjoy that while it lasts, Earl!
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Scum?
That’s Champions To You Son! Not Scum!11 Nice game today also. We’ll see what happens!!! GO WINGS!!!
That was easily one of the best games I’ve seen in a long time. And I don’t care what anyone else says about that PIT/WSH series, this was the best series of the playoffs, hands down. One of the best series in a few years, I’d say. Massive props to the Ducks on one hell of a series. That was some phenomenal hockey.
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Helm was the cherry on top of my hockey pain sundae last year when the Pens played the Red Wings. It was seriously one of those, “Even their fucking minor leaguers are this dangerous” type feelings.
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by jamestobrien on May 15, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s done an amazing job. Just a brilliant organization. Don’t like the Red Wings? Then it’s going to be (another) long decade.
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by jamestobrien on May 15, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
yes, dont blame the refs.
Anaheim is the biggest pussy team on the planet. They are dirty cheap and a bunch of hacks especially pronger and perry. you scored on a PP that should have been a PK congrats. You shouldn’t have even been in that game and were lucky to be because of a bad call from the ref. You had TWO 5 on 3 PPs so again you really cant blame the refs. The Wings are just better live with it.
P.S. getzlaf is fuckin good
by Sir Snipesalot on May 15, 2009 11:54 AM PDT reply actions
Sir Snipesalot, I’m sorry your mother never loved you, or whatever reason it is you like pissing in cornflakes.
If you would like to talk about the team with less hyperbole, well, you’re not banned yet.
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Oh, and I guess I should clarify if anyone thinks I’m a bit to harsh on this one comment — I also had to delete a FanPost of garbage talk from this dude too. And you guys know how much I hate playing blog overlord.
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I think Selanne will be better next year because it will be a contract year. Even though money doesn’t seem like it would really matter that much to him, it seems like he did really well in his Ducks return when he was on one year contracts. Or is that my faulty memory?
Trading Giguere makes sense strictly from a cap perspective. I see people talking about adding a bunch of players, but really I see that allowing the Ducks to retain Bobby Ryan and maybe add one solid player to the mix. Obviously, though, the Ducks have a lot of decisions to make.
Sleek, I might tap you for some input on a Ducks salary cap outlook. Just sayin.
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Sleek, I might tap you for some input on a Ducks salary cap outlook. Just sayin.
James, I won’t have one answer for you until Niedermayer(s) and Selanne have made their announcements. We can talk roster theories all we want, but those are huge huge pieces to the puzzle of “what to do for next year” — I really won’t have answers before they do.
Just sayin.
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I’m not going to do one until Niedermayer decides. A lot of my blog comments aren’t always very … clear. But SN’s possible contract drastically changes things, so yeah.
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by jamestobrien on May 15, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not going to do one until Niedermayer decides
In that case, I’m looking forward to seeing Anaheim’s preseason cap outlook… next January.
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Oh, I believe him this time — he has set a decision date (I forget if it’s draft day or July 1st), which Burke didn’t really make him do before, and knowing how he opted last time (plus an upcoming Olympics), I’m optimistic.
The bigger question for me isn’t “Will he play?” or “How many teams will he consider?” (though those still will need some concrete answering). My biggest questions for Scott are “How much?” and “So, about Rob…” — after that, I can probably start mentally filling roster holes.
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i must admitt
i hate you guys, some how some way the ducks are always knockin on our door step, my heart was pounding at the end of that game 7. Great series, it was truly fun. couple things i just have to say… Getzlaf is a stud (2) do you guys really think chris pronger is a all around clean player… i mean he was trying to get pav to drop the gloves in game three… a non fighter who is half his size… it came off cowardly to me. But i must admitt corey perry, and getzlaf are truly scary S.O.B’s. Best 8 seed i have ever seen… KUDOS
do you guys really think chris pronger is a all around clean player… i mean he was trying to get pav to drop the gloves in game three…
No, we’re not fools, though I think we all have to admit he played a much cleaner playoffs than I think any of us expected. He had his aggressor moments, sure, but a damn lot of the time you saw a “thinking” Pronger.
I hated Pronger before he was a Duck, so it’s not like I can’t relate — I don’t have any problem with fans tossing “dirty” or “thug” labels (or worse), though sometimes those can get in the way of actual discussion.
But I’ll root for him — I was thinking last night, I don’t know if there’s anybody in the league right now I wouldn’t root for in a Ducks sweater (assuming they help you win) — and for sure Pronger does that. He was our best player in the ‘07 playoffs, and he was Edmonton’s the year before.
My only problem really comes when folks try to hold their higher standards over me, like I’m some sort of sinner for being a Ducks fan. Sure, Lidstrom’s cleaner — nobody disputes that. But if becomes a case of “Ethically, I could never root for Pronger, and you must be a scumbag because you do”, well I just don’t know about that reasoning. If you want to be a better person than me, go found an orphanage or something. Don’t apply superiorism to sports fandom — by definition we’re all terrible people for wasting time on that.
It’d be like trying to brag about how “I only give money to college-educated strippers” or something. A non-useful distinction in my eyes.
BTW, most all of this comment is not directed at you, bond. More just getting a general beef off my chest.
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totally agree
on how the ducks have that “bully” label. To be honest i dont think the ducks in general are bullies per sae or pronger for that matter… you have todd marchant, both the neidermayers.. and teemu… i think all those guys are truly class acts. I think that the ducks help the NHL a ton, Most people who get into hockey (unless you come from families and areas that are hockey crazy, like were i grew up) get into strictly for the hitting and the fighting. You know everytime you watch the ducks play on tv your going to get that entertainment. So please dont look at everything as a insult, because deep down everybody who knocks on those “thugs” wishes their team had a few more of them just like em.
Well, some of it’s definitely deserved — they have been a punch-happy bunch under Burke. You’re right about hitting and fighting being a draw — one of the reasons I think Burke made that a feature of the team in SoCal — and I think that plus the winning has helped the Anaheim fanbase out a bunch.
I didn’t mean to take your comment as an insult at all, btw — that was more in response to Ruben a few months ago, Sir Snipesalot earlier today, and some actual-insult stuff I’ve been reading elsewhere on the internet.
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he was trying to get pav to drop the gloves in game three
Who did Pav try to get before that? I see that alot, med guy goes after Teemu, Pronger goes after Med guy, Pronger is the bully.
I think Pronger plays with an edge. Against us he drove me crazy, like in 06 WCF. But I never bood him just to jump on with everyone else. He is a big mean sometimes dirty player that I’m fuckin glad is with us and not against us.
yea
def, i hated him when he was with the blues, and i hated twice as much now. hey i didnt really follow you guys during the seaseon cause to be honest i didnt even think you guys wer playoff bound.. but what happen to giguere? he fall apart or something?
Yeah, he fell apart, though we haven’t seen a whole lot of Giguere in the past two months to know if it has passed or not.
Not terribly sure what’s wrong with him — I’m not the best at critiquing goalie technique, I more just look at results — but his struggles definitely could be related to his dad’s death mid-season (left the team for a bit to visit his dying dad), and I still think part of what was clouding him was being named the ASG starter for some (probably made up) reason.
Giguere’s not destined to stay terrible, I don’t think, and if there’s one reason to keep him on the roster the next two years, it’s that each of Anaheim’s most successful playoff runs (‘03 and ’07) have exactly coincided with Giguere’s two most recent contract years.
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Uh, I’m pretty sure at this point that it’s not his dad’s death… seems like a long time for it to still be manifesting itself by making him a worse player.
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Well, sure, now plenty of time has passed, but other than the EDM game, I’m not sure I remember a terrible outing by Giguere in the last nearly two months — probably some faulty memory by me, but we really haven’t seen a ton of opportunities for Giguere to prove what state he’s in nowadays.
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he fall apart or something?
Big time. He just flat out could not play. RC kept using him to try and work through it, then he would have a decent game and you would think he was back, only to have him let in 4 goals on 6 shots in the next game. Bad goals too. Like 60 foot wrist shots.
I wonder how many games we lost trying to work Giggy throught that stuff. 10 maybe?
He lost his father this year, and that seemed to be when he lost it. I hope it’s just concentration and he regains his form. Even if it’s someplace else, he is one of the nicest guys you’ll ever meet.
Sorry Ducks fans
Rough way to go out.
Okay everyone, all together now…Let’s go Hawks.
Effing Red Wings. God, I miss the good old days when they were the Presidents Trophy winners getting bounced in the first round.
You know, being on the side of the “it’d be great if the earth swallowed both teams whole”, I have very, very, very mixed feelings about watching Pronger fuck up his positioning…only to allow a series-winning goal with three minutes left.
But there’s always next season, right? I guess Sleek and I will be teaming up in Hawks support — Sleek’s Pahlsson man-crush and my upbringing as a Hawks fan will totally jinx Chicago.
I don’t think Pronger fucked up his positioning, it was someone else. The guy that was on Zetterberg should’ve followed him into the corner and continued harassing him, as Pronger worked the front of the net. He didn’t, so instead, Pronger had to pressure Zetterberg to keep him from stepping into the crease and trying to hammer one home, with help for rebounds/passes in Cleary. So Zetterberg responsibility was passed off to Pronger, when it really shouldn’t have been. Pronger moved to him, but no one took Cleary. Whoever was initially following Z should’ve followed him into the corner and tried to body him out and turnover the puck. Failing that, if he passed off responsibility for him to Pronger, then he should’ve pick up Pronger’s man, which was Cleary. Because this exchange of defensive responsibility for a man in front is dangerous, the guy who was originally on Z should’ve just carried him to the corner.
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Looking at the replay, whoever #15 is, should’ve had Z. #23 also could’ve picked up Cleary. #15 kind of loafed after Zetterberg, and didn’t aggressively pursue him, and then just kind of slowly loafed his way into a pile of people in the middle, not actually doing anything. #23 was kind of in between Franzen and Cleary, and appeared to be keying on Franzen. He did not react to Pronger pinching down below the goal line, and instead just stood passively behind Cleary, being close to Franzen, who was further from the net. #15 just kind of makes a halfass push like he’s going to follow Zetterberg, doesn’t, and then just kind of slowly glides towards the passing lane between Zetterberg and Cleary. Not having the shift charts, I would guess that #15 was tired, and his tiredness created a very bad mistake. Either that, or he was halfassing it.
Summary: Pronger had to take #15’s responsibility since he wasn’t doing it. #23 was more keeping an eye on Franzen, though he should’ve probably pinched down to Cleary when Pronger pinched away from him. #15 just stands around and watches his season end.
Now to satisfy my curiosity, lets see who #’s 15 and 23 are…
- = Hey, what do you know. Ryan Getzlaf. I’ve seen a lot of comments this series about his taking penalties and such for being lazy. This time, apparently, it ended his season.
- = Francois Beauchemin
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Well, without Ryan Getzlaf I don’t know that we even beat the Sharks, so I’m not really going to worry about it.
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Joe is right though. If you rewatch that game, Getz had a horrible game, not just that shift. I am over it though, he more than made up for it in the 12 other games he played this post season.
I do remember going “what the fuck its Getz doing defendending the crease?” Why doesnt he clear him out, tie up his stick, something?
I didn’t notice him enough to know if he had a bad game. His penalty for holding was pretty chintzy, and I don’t remember what his other early penalty was, but I seem to recall it being fairly cheap too. I didn’t hear his name that often, which would probably be a good indicator of a not-good game, at best. But watching that replay over and over to make those post, I was almost floored by his complete lack of effort on that shift. Again, maybe he was at the end of a 2:00 shift, I don’t know, but watching that, he really did put his team on the penalty kill there, and had no business being on the ice. He was just wandering around aimlessly.
I’m not dumping on his performance as a whole through the playoffs, mind you. He was huge against SJ, and had moments against the Wings too. I do think though, depending on the circumstance, that it certainly points to something in him that he needs to work on. Or maybe Carlyle. If he was skating like that through his last couple shifts in the third, Carlyle made a huge mistake to send him out for that shift. If Getz recognizes what he did there, and commits to fixing his conditioning, his work ethic, whatever it may be, he could be considerably more dangerous. If he doesn’t, well, its a flaw that opponents can definitely work on. If Carlyle made the mistake of sending him out there, then thats something he ought to learn from too.
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Shrug, if Getzlaf is playing tired at the end of a shift at the end of two tough playoff series and an admitted illness, I don’t know if there’s very much of a lesson to take away. Sample size = once, and the lesson: Shockingly, he’s not a robot..
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by ang6666 on May 16, 2009 11:30 AM PDT reply actions
Thanks for being nice and letting me comment over here. What a series it was, heart failure all the way to the final minute. Being back in Michigan and staying up so late for Game 6 (in the midst of lots and lots of family stress) I was so mad at the Wings for that game and then Game 7 was heart attack inducing. I really can’t stand the Ducks but…
… I really enjoy their fans.
I would argue that this was a much better series than Wash/Pitt.

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