Ducks re-sign Leprechaun to 2-year extension
by Earl Sleek on Jul 7, 2009 1:22 PM PDT
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Two more years of the stone-handed leprechaun. I'll drink to that.
Todd Marchant re-signs 2 years with the Ducks at less than half-price from his last deal -- $1M this season, and $1.25M the next. Excellent -- if you can't nab Pahlsson, Marchant's the guy to have. Brings the cap math to something like this (though I don't have any bonuses factored in for Scott):
| CASH | CAP | YRS | CASH | CAP | YRS | |||
| C. PERRY | $6.50 | $5.33 | 4 | S. NIEDERMAYER | $6.00 | $6.00 | 1 | |
| R. GETZLAF | $5.13 | $5.33 | 4 | R. WHITNEY | $3.50 | $4.00 | 4 | |
| J. LUPUL | $4.25 | $4.25 | 4 | L. SBISA | $0.88 | $0.88 | 2 | |
| T. SELANNE | $2.00 | $2.63 | 1 | B. MIKKELSON | $0.77 | $0.82 | 1 | |
| B. RYAN | $1.92 | $1.87 | 1 | S. BROOKBANK | $0.55 | $0.53 | 1 | |
| T. MARCHANT | $1.00 | $1.13 | 2 | |||||
| G. PARROS | $0.88 | $0.88 | 3 | J. WISNIEWSKI | RFA - Arbitration | |||
| P. NOKELAINEN | $0.85 | $0.90 | 1 | |||||
| E. CHRISTENSEN | $0.75 | $0.75 | 1 | CASH | CAP | YRS | ||
| R. CARTER | $0.63 | $0.63 | 2 | J. GIGUERE | $6.00 | $6.00 | 2 | |
| M. BROWN | $0.54 | $0.50 | 2 | J. HILLER | $1.30 | $1.30 | 1 | |
| D. MILLER | $0.53 | $0.53 | 1 | |||||
| A. EBBETT | $0.49 | $0.50 | 1 | CASH | CAP | |||
| T. BERTUZZI | $1.33 | $1.33 | 1 | 13 F, 5 D, 2 G | $45.77 | $46.05 | ||
I'll do a fuller state-of-the-team post tomorrow. Go Ducks.
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Even before his Flyer debut, Chris Pronger has signed a seven-year extension with the Flyers that allegedly averages $5M per year (front-loaded) and starts in 2010-11.
I’m curious — Pronger turns 35 this October. Does this contract fall into the category of “if he retires, it still counts against Philadelphia’s salary cap”? The cap hit ain’t bad, though.
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Glad to have Marchant back…which is funny cause this time last year I would have let him go.
And cheap…I’ll take that!
Crazy on the Pronger front…figure the guy would want to play 1 game there before a deal like that…but whatever.
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Crazy on the Pronger front…figure the guy would want to play 1 game there before a deal like that…but whatever.
I get the idea Pronger did not like getting traded from Anaheim. That’s just my opinion basted on how over the top happy he was about going to Philly, and then this deal with a NTC. If i’m right though, It’s pretty funny when you consider what he did to Edmonton.
I will be very curious to see how many times he gets suspended during that contract (or at least the first 4 years of it before he retires).
u cant beat the price..i guess he wanted to stay here huh..
wow…either that or murray is a good as were hoping he is..
he pulls of koviu..i might just jizz in my pants
I wanna throw up on your new shoes
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jul 7, 2009 2:45 PM PDT reply actions
Still holding out
For Koivu. Otherwise, I’m not sure what’s out there in second line center world. Have there been any Giguere trade rumors?
Not that I’ve heard, but I’m terrible on following rumor sites. I know the Leafs got their Euro goalie, so perhaps Burke isn’t in any position to help Murray any more.
I suspect the Ducks sit on Giguere, but I’m not entirely sure that rules out Koivu, if he’s generous enough in his demands.
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There was something today that said Koivu had made a decision and that it was to come to Anaheim, but the announcement was pending another move (with Anaheim I assume). But it was on Hockeybuzz, so I guess that’s like the kiss of death. Too bad, Koivu seems to be one of the best bargain centers available. He’s a 60-80 point guy playing against top Dmen, he would have a field day on our second line with Ryan and Teemu.
About that
Just updated today: Koivu coming to Anaheim
Signing announced later today.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
Anaheim is quickly bounding up my “smart, although that might just be relative to a gang of idiots” list. I LOVE the affordability of that Marchant contract. Well done. Really.
Really, my biggest issues are (oddly enough) in the two questionable deals they traded for in Lupul and Whitney. They’re both young, I guess, but it’s mind blowing to think that Lupul’s making only a little over a million less than Getzlaf and Perry. As long as Lupul’s deal doesn’t hurt their chances of retaining Bobby Ryan, I guess it’s all gravy, though.
With all the bad moves Burke is making and all the solid to great moves Murray is making, I’m starting to wonder who REALLY was the brains of the operation :)
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Maybe it’s because I’m an NCAA guy, but I like Whitney at that price. I suppose your team drafted him, and you have developed a particularly negative opinion, but seeing as how he could be a top pairing guy as soon as next year, 4M a year is pretty good (as long as he finds his offense again).
Lupul’s contract is atrocious. After the deal, I said that going to Philadelphia for a forward is like going to the Airport for a Big Mac. The Flyers have their own warped economy when valuing their forwards.
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by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jul 7, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Lupul’s contract is atrocious.
I think that’s a bit strong. It was atrocious back when Dustin Penner got it, but by now I think every team has one of these deals.
I don’t mind either salary that much, to tell the truth. They’re probably not bargains, but they’re common enough throughout the league that having two of them shouldn’t sink your boat. And they’re long-term enough that hopefully there’s still improvement coming.
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The two came from the same thin draft class separated by about two picks. I don’t begrudge them for negotiating to their projected talent level. But Whitney signed his contract based on consistent performance on his first contract. Lupul struggled since leaving Anaheim, but had a great playoffs with the Flyers. I just don’t think he earned a long term 4.25M/yr deal. Will his offense dip returning to the Western Conference? The contract just reeks of dead weight to me, but the kid can definitely play when he wants to play.
Still, I admit: I’m an NCAA guy. I liked Whitney before he was drafted. And I overvalue defensemen. I’m completely biased here.
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by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jul 8, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think either contract is atrocious, just over-priced. Whitney would make more sense at $3 million while I cannot honestly say where I think Lupul should come in. (Maybe the same?)
Neither one is Huet-bad, but they just stand out on a team that is remarkably well-built.
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by jamestobrien on Jul 8, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
we cant expect perfection….u drank mofo james..
u coming out to anaheim this year again?
I wanna throw up on your new shoes
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jul 8, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha maybe not this year but I’m planning a crazy NHL trip in the future. We shall drink again, if all goes to plan.
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by jamestobrien on Jul 8, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, his salary graduates. He’s a 3.5 guy this year, 4.5 next year, 5 the last two years. If he doesn’t work out, you can always move him in the last two years to save money, but still only take the 4M cap hit. I really like a large defenseman with a good shot at 4M a year, even if he is kinda soft.
By comparison, I’d offer sheet Duncan Keith at 5 (for, as we discussed on CLS, he is the poor man’s NIedermayer slowly moo-hoo-vin’ on up). Apparently, I value defensemen as irrationally as Philly values forwards.
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by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jul 8, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently, I value defensemen as irrationally as Philly values forwards.
I don’t think your take on defensemen is off-base at all.
I’m an economist by training, and as much as we want to talk about on-ice impact, when it comes to salaries it should always be about supply and demand. How many positions need to be filled, and how many players can capably do it? And then, how many players can do it at an elite level?
Thus goalies, who are without question the most important position on the ice, have to suffer with the fact that there are only 30 nets that need protecting in this league, while there are many people who do the job at a very good level. Forwards have many spots to fill, but largely there are many people that can do a 3rd- or 4th- line shift without too much hassle.
I think with d-men, though, it’s tough to find good dependable minute-eaters and even tougher to find good difference-makers. Demand to me seems higher than supply for this position, which is why I think it’s natural and justifiable to see somewhat inflated salaries for blue-liners. Thus I’m with you — Whitney’s contract is more stomachable than Lupul’s — but on the whole I can work with both just fine. So long as those overpayments are limited and occur league-wide, it’s not going to be a necessity that every last contract be fully dollar-savvy.
That said, I think my limit might be 2 or 3 questionable salaries. Past that and it’s a real problem.
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I think some of it is that I used to play defense in the limited competitive hockey I played, and defense is really the smartest position. The old saying is that you give the kids the hockey test. The A students are defensemen, the C students are forwards and anyone who fails is a goalie.
I tend to think of forwards as instinct players, who are more susceptible to inconsistency, especially if they only commit to learning the forechecking system and staying in their lanes in the neutral zone. I feel defensemen have the difficult task of proving effective and consistent in all three zones to earn the big contract.
I remember there was one play in the playoffs this year where Wisniewski came up to Whitney laughing after the play. Based on the play, this is what I think they said to each other:
Wiz: You should have pinched. You had the shot.
Whit: I almost did, but then I looked over and saw that you had come over the boards. That’s when I knew I had to get back
Wiz: Haha. Good call, dude.
And that is why I’m glad to pay that man 4M.
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by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jul 8, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Mmmm, Whitney’s turnover-heavy deficiencies is what makes me weary of paying him that money. Actually, for me, the issue is that you really can only pay 3 defensemen more than $3 million (if that many) so you have to make those deals count.
I agree with what you and Sleek say about supply and demand, but having a good-but-not-great offensive defenseman at that price keeps the Ducks from adding a cruel hitter like, say, Komisarek.
Ultimately, I foresee a future where (gulp) Whitney is the Ducks premiere defenseman. I guess that’s why we both strongly agree that the Ducks should go all-out to snag Duncan Keith.
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I think his size was most attractive. Size and shot made him a natural candidate to replace Pronger. If he works on using his frame, he’ll be where Murray wants him to be. And if he’s flanked by MItera in 2 years, he’ll have a shutdown guy to cover his turnovers.
On your Cap hit obsession below, I’ll just say that I would pay Duncan Keith FRONT-LOADED!!! Murph has to have a friend or two in Chicago that can make this a painless trade of RFA rights situation.
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by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jul 8, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m definitely with you on trading for the RFA rights. Keith could be a $5 million per year guy, so signing him to an offer sheet could cost the Ducks a handful of picks. Of course, if you looked at it as the equivalent of trading a 35-year old Pronger for a 20-something Keith, that would make even losing a first rounder or two easier to stomach.
God I’m such a nerd with this stuff.
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If we can move Jiggy for a 2011 pick, we can burn ours in an offer sheet.
But I really am holding on to the notion that Murph has friends there. I mean, he was fired for a couple of bad moves (Wendel Clark), but the man was with the Blackhawks almost as long as I’ve been alive. Doesn’t that count for anything? And shouldn’t that anything be Duncan Keith’s rights?
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by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jul 8, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
On your Cap hit obsession below, I’ll just say that I would pay Duncan Keith FRONT-LOADED!!!
Interested to hear your reasoning here. I assume you like Keith as a long-term option, so I guess if you’re planning on honoring the whole deal the structure doesn’t matter too much, but as a general rule, I think the Ducks should pursue contracts that have a lower cash payment than cap hit. That would mean generally the Ducks would prefer to sign back-loaded contracts (and pursue front-loaded deals in their latter stages).
But that’s all just loose principle — is front-loaded a luring tactic? Or what’s the thinking?
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Oh wait, you’re talking about RFA bidding. Ah, OK — that might make some sense, although if we’re just talking about who can spend the most cash in a short term, I don’t want to get in a staring contest Anaheim vs. Chicago.
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It shouldn’t be surprising that I hold this opinion after writing this epic post, but when you’re staring at the Blackhawks when it comes to team building I’m fairly convinced that there’s no one staring back. The stunning fact is that the (realistic) doomsday scenario I talk about in that post was BEFORE adding another $3 million from Kris Versteeg. Eventually, reality is going to hit Chicago hard and teams like Anaheim will benefit.
(Actually, I have a post coming up about that too.)
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Yeah, O’Brien and I have been licking our chops for a while on the Hawks situation. I think the Versteeg deal breaks the camel’s back. Any time you’re paying other people’s draft picks when three of your picks are coming up RFA next year, you’re in trouble.
I think the biggest contract they can lose next year is Madden at 2.75. Keith will need to be re-signed (he’s at 1.475), so will Toews (2.8) and so will Kane (3.725). And that’s putting aside the realization that Huet may not be a playoff goaltender, though that toe save was awesome. There’s no money for those raises, and they need a dancing partner to move the guys they’ve signed in the last three years.
And I think a lot of teams will let them stew, just to get a crack at Kane and Toews. If Murph is smart, he can get Keith for a couple picks and a prospect. And we can lure Keith into signing with a front-loaded contract. Nothing serious. Just something that takes advantage of the fact our other salaries are backloaded, and we might have a 1-2 year window where we can afford to give Keith a little more.
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by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jul 8, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
What economic principle would explain Brian Campbell making more than $7 million per year? My guess is that Tallon would claim “scarcity” but mine would be “window shopping/impulse buying.”
He’s a 3.5 guy this year, 4.5 next year, 5 the last two years. If he doesn’t work out, you can always move him in the last two years to save money, but still only take the 4M cap hit. I really like a large defenseman with a good shot at 4M a year, even if he is kinda soft.
Smart people like you look at salary. I am OBSESSED with cap hit.
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