Fake Trades and Real Problems
Cheechew and a few of my other friends are off frolicking around Cabo San Lucas for a mutual friend's wedding. I, unfortunately, can't go due to financial limitations (that, and I'm still crying about Jeremy Roenick's retirement). However, I planned on pranking one of them with text messages of a fake Milan Michalek trade (the dude has a serious man crush on Michalek). I even told Cheechew that I would make it realistic, so nothing nutty like Michalek for Evgeni Malkin.
This morning, I started looking at the Sharks roster and comparing it to other rosters thanks to the good folks at NHL Numbers. The fake trade had to make sense, both from a cap perspective and a hockey perspective.
After scanning up and down the Sharks roster looking at what they need and what was available, I kept thinking the same thing -- on paper, the team is strong. If everyone lives up to even just 75% of their potential, they have a strong foundation for success. You can't predict injuries and you can assume that there will be slumps, but by and large, it's a little absurd to think that every healthy player will just plain suck all at once
Consider the forwards, as scoring seemed to be the problem during the tail end of the season and the Anaheim series. I've talked about how I thought Patrick Marleau and Joe Thornton shouldered too much of the blame during the first-round Anaheim loss, and the second-line disappearance held equal amounts of blame -- and Mclellan should get blame too for the way he handled the injury situation. So, without making any assumptions about line combinations and assuming that the scoring forwards stay in tact for opening night, here's what I concluded:
Devin Setoguchi should be good for 25-35 goals.
Ryane Clowe should be good for 25-35 goals.
Milan Michalek should be good for 20-30 goals.
Jonathan Cheechoo should be good for 20-30 goals.
Torrey Mitchell should be good for 15-20 goals.
I know Cheechoo has become a bit of a running joke in the NHL but one has to look at his injury history over the past two years to examine why he hasn't lived up to his potential. Yeah, he's no Pavel Bure, but part of his game has been using the strength of his core/legs to get into open spots or maneuver around defensemen. With the number of groin injuries he's had, it's no wonder why he hasn't been able to be as effective in sliding into open ice or fighting through checkers.
His hands and shot are still there. If you look at a sample of his (admittedly few) goals from last season, you'll see that he can still stickhandle, still deke, and still shoot. It's the lower half of his body that hasn't been working with him. That, and playing with Marcel "Not Adam Oates" Goc for most of the season.
Assuming Cheechoo is healthy and gets to play in some scoring capacity, I think 20 goals is a minimum for him.
Anyways, I'm looking at this list of secondary scoring and recalling the Sharks woes against Anaheim. I had a brief flashback to Todd Mclellan speaking at the State of the Sharks event, where he talked about how when the team was riddled with injuries in January/February, they essentially had to change their playing style to accommodate. By the time the playoffs had come, not only were some key guys (Marleau, Thornton) still hurt, they hadn't been able to return back to the style that worked so well for them.
That, and in case you forgot, some dudes named Pronger and Niedermayer were really, really, really, really good at playing defense. (Enjoying those cheesesteaks, Mrs. Pronger?)
Jeremy Roenick recently spoke of how he told Doug Wilson that he felt that only tweaking was necessary, the the bulk of the pieces were in place. I've stepped back from the Sharks just a tad this summer to focus on other things, so perhaps that little bit of distance has provided some more objectivity (or false hope, depending on what you believe). This is the first time I've really examined the roster in about six weeks and I have a hard time pinpointing any specific problems other than shit happens. Let's not forget that the Ducks took Cup-finalist Detroit to a few minutes of Game 7 overtime -- and that's with an injured Ryan Getzlaf and Bobby Ryan.
I know some people are still calling for the entire team to be nuked. I understand that frustration but I don't think things are as dire as the naysayers are making it out to be. Don't forget, the Big Scary Evil Red Wings got bounced from the first round a few times during their era of pseudo-dynasty.
Shit happens. 30 teams start the season, 16 teams qualify for the playoffs, but only one can win. I don't think that means it's the end of the world; sometimes, there are things you can't control (injuries, bounces) and sometimes you just have to learn from your mistakes (young player maturity, rookie coach mistakes).
Oh, and for that fake trade? I came up with Michalek/4th round pick to Buffalo for checking center Adam Mair/1st round pick -- essentially, a salary dump and a replenishing of high draft picks, since Wilson's depleted the system. He fell for it.
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Great article, Mike. I don’t understand why the Sharks have to “do something” this year, either. They were the best team in the league over 82 games, so I don’t see why they need to judge their season based on a few games in May. They only thing I’d say they may need is another scorer for the 2nd line.
I also think having Torrey Mitchell for a full season is going to help a lot.
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by RudyKelly on Aug 14, 2009 11:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Blow it up! Blow it up!
Damn, if only the summer were shorter, then Wilson might have gotten knee-jerk trade-crazy. Stupid perspective.
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by Earl Sleek on Aug 14, 2009 12:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think all the sharks need to do is:
Get under the cap!
Someone needs to be traded for cap space, but I dont think it has to be a blockbuster, 3 team, Heatley fest.
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by Morti on Aug 14, 2009 12:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Right
Bringing in Heatley will make a lot of people happy, a lot of people upset, and only a little sense. San Jose still has the need to fill of finding another forward or two, but Heatley takes them in the other direction.
It will be really nice to get Mitchell back for the whole season. There’s a reason he got to be a fan favorite in his rookie year!
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by stufflife on Aug 14, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good article, Mike. Agree now – took some time to get here.
I say give it 1 more year w/ this team. Then, blow it up if we fail again.
That said, here’s how I see the team shaping up:
AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
Joe Thornton ($7.200m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.300m) / Devin Setoguchi ($1.247m)
Milan Michalek ($4.333m)/ Joe Pavelski ($1.637m) / Ryane Clowe ($3.625m)
Jamie McGinn ($0.997m) / * Torrey Mitchell ($0.850m) /* 3rd line fwd ($1.200m)
Scott Nichol ($0.750m) / Jody Shelley ($0.725m) / Jed Ortmeyer ($0.550m)
*Brad Staubitz ($0.500m) / * backup forward ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.667m) / Rob Blake ($3.500m)
Christian Ehrhoff ($3.100m) / Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m)
Douglas Murray ($2.500m) / Kent Huskins ($1.700m)
Derek Joslin ($0.517m)
GOALTENDERS
Evgeni Nabokov ($5.375m) / Thomas Greiss ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 23;
PAYROLL: $57.422m;
CAP ROOM: $0.118m
BONUSES: $0.740m
(rearranged to fit the probable line combos)
Moves to make:
- Trade Cheechoo and Lukovich. Possibly Shelley, too, and promote F. McLaren (save $200K)
- Find a 3rd line RW/Fwd for $1.2m or less
- Sign a backup UFA fwd or promote Vesce/another Baby Shark for $500K
- Sign Mitchell for 1 year at $850K
- Sign Staubitz for $500K (1 or 2 year deal)
by IsThisTheYear? on Aug 14, 2009 3:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That is a pretty fucking miserable 4th line. Nuke the whole damn thing and replace it with rookies if you need to, whatever, but that 4th line is pretty bad. Part of dealing with injuries (and to an extent, preventing them by preventing overuse of higher forwards) is having a competent 4th line, whether that be in a goal scoring capacity or a defensive capacity. A 4th line existing in a “I can get punched in the face” capacity can’t pinch in for injuries up the ladder, forces minutes up the ladder, and can’t help you as much in April/May/June. What did Moen end up signing for? He should be on that 4th line.
I agree that the team doesn’t need blowing up, either this year or next, but if tweaks are to happen, the reality is that they have to happen this year for the Sharks’ best shot. Next year, Marleau, Pavelski, Setoguchi, and Nabokov all need new contracts, and that’s going to be a big problem. To me, part of that tweak has got to be trading off one of those contracts for next year. That probably ends up being Marleau, but Nabby’s head ought to be as much or more on the chopping block than Marleau’s. You could get pretty much the same thing for 3-4M less.
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by IAmJoe on Aug 14, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did Moen end up signing for?
The Omen signed 3 years at $1.5M per year… in Montreal. Won’t be helping the Sharks this season.
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by Earl Sleek on Aug 14, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i knew he didn’t stay in SJ, but I couldn’t remember where he went or for how much. 1.5ish is probably about right for him, and probably sets him too high for the Sharks, with their cap mess, but he would be a real good fit there.
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by IAmJoe on Aug 15, 2009 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except that, outside of two goals, Moen was pretty much a non-factor for the Sharks. Most of us were kind of ambivalent about him – the only reason to re-sign him was because of what the Sharks gave up to get him and Huskins. He really wasn’t a game-changer, and with the cap crunch the Sharks are in, he wouldn’t get the amount of money he was looking for.
Also, the Sharks ran a line of Staubitz-Shelley-Semenov for a few weeks. That line consists of no centers, two guys who played defense for most/all of their careers, and two enforcers. Honestly, adding Nichol and Ortmeyer there is a HUGE improvement. Plus, with a much stronger third line, the top two lines won’t have to be relied on as much and McLellan can really roll three lines instead of just two like last year.
Plus, I’d much rather have the rookies play 10-20 minutes and really develop their skills down in Worcester than spending most of the time on the bench like they would in San Jose. Frazer McLaren might be one who gets called up for fourth line duty, but most of the other prospects are a few years away from the NHL and/or aren’t suited for the grinding duties that would come with a spot on the fourth line.
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by mymclife on Aug 15, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a game changer, or a scorer by any means, but the guy has a pretty good record of working one a shutdown group or as a mucker. What I really think the Sharks could use most is someone who can muck it up a bit, and can score enough if he’s working the corners for softer linemates. Thats the sort of thing that can transform an entire line, and those sorts of players are so much more useful in the playoffs. Not saying that Moen necessarily was that guy, but he would’ve definitely been useful on a 3/4 line in a different capacity, especially with Grier gone. I guess I just put two separate ideas into one paragraph. Oh wells.
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by IAmJoe on Aug 15, 2009 1:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that’s where he was put – on a checking line that had absolutely no expectations to score, but should be able to shut down other teams. And he just wasn’t very impressive in that capability during the regular season, and all but disappeared in the playoffs. Granted, few players really did all that well in the playoffs, but Moen was brought in to help with the playoffs and he didn’t. Maybe because he wasn’t used to playing with those guys since there was a massive return of roster players the last two games, or maybe it was because it was weird playing against his former team, I don’t know. He just wasn’t the same guy who played on Anaheim, and gave no reason for the Sharks to re-sign him.
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by mymclife on Aug 15, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just wasn’t the same guy who played on Anaheim, and gave no reason for the Sharks to re-sign him.
Not like Huskins did, at least. :)
I’m not sure the Omen had opportunity to demonstrate his value, not like he had in Anaheim — remember, the cup year Carlyle never once touched the Pahlsson line, they played 103 games together. His playoffs this time may not have been stellar, but then again the common theme with pointing fingers at individual Sharks’ disappearing act is “small sample size”.
I think there’s plenty of good reasons why the Sharks would have liked to keep Moen, but priorities and salary caps being what they are, it wasn’t really a good time for the Sharks and bottom-six spending. He’s a valuable asset, though — regularly the hardest-working guy on the ice.
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by Earl Sleek on Aug 15, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, true on all counts, especially the salary cap thing. As of this moment, the Sharks are over the cap and still need to re-sign two more guys. With the raise that Moen got from Montreal, there was no way the Sharks could have afforded him. Especially with the random raise that Wilson gave Huskins. I still don’t know why he did that.
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by mymclife on Aug 15, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at some behindthenet stats, it seems Moen just wasn’t very good last year, even with ANA (he had an awful GAON/60 vs. GFON/60). Sammy Phalsson seems to have been the real defensive dynamo for that line, and once he was gone, Moen was probably a little exposed (maybe not used to new linemates, as you suggested Sleek) and the Sharks didn’t recognize that when they traded for him. Seems like a good guy though, hopefully it was just a one year lull.
I’m intrigued by Huskins. Looking at his game logs, he was getting a lot of ice time before he got hurt, and his advanced metrics look good as well. That said, ANA wasn’t exactly very good when he was getting a lot of ice time, and I have only seen him play maybe once or twice.
by ruben398 on Aug 15, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Moen had a tough year, but I think it was sort of a chaotic time for the bottom lines — still, I’ve seen plenty of capability out of the guy, so I think he’ll rebound. Mostly, I’m just glad that Anaheim milked his cheapest years, though.
As for Huskins, he’s sort of an odd case, in that I think there was very little time where he was paired with Niedermayer or Pronger — generally he was that “other pairing”. What that typically meant was that Huskins didn’t see much of the opposition’s best scorers — he was sheltered in that regard, and I think got some benefit from riding Getzlaf line minutes. Still, he wasn’t getting benefit from any All-Star partner, like Beauchemin regularly was. He’s a solid enough depth d-man, and who knows? Maybe he can step up and be a little more.
In order for that to happen, the Sharks would have to allow him to dress, though.
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by Earl Sleek on Aug 15, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Huskins was signed as DW knew he’d likely trade one of Murray, Ehrhoff or Vlasic – my bet is on Murray.
Why DW signed Murray last Sept for $2.5m cap hit is beyond me. He could have waited it out til this offseason and probably still signed him for $2m per (or even $1.8m). Oh well, what’s done is done.
by IsThisTheYear? on Aug 15, 2009 9:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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