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Heatley or No Heatley?

Let it be known that I have complete faith in what moves that Doug Wilson makes.  I, like everyone else was livid about how last season ended but unlike others, I was (and still not) in favor of blowing up the team.  I don't subscribe to the thinking of make a trade just to make a trade.  I am probably in the minority right now but I would not be against going into next season with the team as it is currently constructed.  Scott Nicol brings the agitator we have always needed and there are a few rosters spots for the young guys to fight for.  If you believe some of the reports, the NHL is in the middle of a possible armageddon salary-wise.   That would put us in a good position and very flexible to do some things with Marleau, Blake and Nabby's contracts up after next season.  That is roughly 16 million coming off the cap if it becomes lower next year. 

If you have been followingthe Heatley sopa opera he has asked for a trade, Ottawa has obliged him by trading him to Edmonton only to have Heatley invoke his no-trade and veto it.  It is rumored that he would like to come to the Sharks and he is known to love California.   With EDM GM Steve Tambellinicoming out publically and saying they are no longer pursuing Heatley, OTT GM Bryan Murray is in a tough spot.  I can't imagine OTT welcoming back Heatley and if no other teams come forward he might be obliged to accept any reasonable offer.  The latest rumor coming out of OTT (take it for what it is worth) has the Sharks offering Ehrhoff, Cheechoo and a 1st rounder for the sniper.  OTT has thought to have no interest in Cheechoo so they are trying to bring in a 3rd team (MONT?).  From the outside, Heatley doesn't seem to be a Wilson type player (perceived locker room cancer, known to complain about ice time, etc).  This doesn't even take into account his salary and cap implications.  Heatley's salary cap figure is 7.5 which would top Joe's, but with OTT paying a 4 million dollar bonus earlier this year, the Sharks would only be on the hook for 4 mill this year which is more than reasonable for a player of his ability.  Wayne Thomas, Sharks assistant GM, was a college roommate of Heatley's dad so maybe the Sharks have some insider information about Heatley's makeup as a player.  Being up to the cap like we are this trade cannot occur without some salaries going to OTT or elsewhere so that makes Ehrhoff, Cheechoo and Michalek prime trade chips.  I am still not sold on acquiring Heatley for various reasons (length of salary, reputation, etc) but if we can get him without giving up Patty or Milan then Wilson has played a nice game of chicken and waited out Murray and got Heatley at a good price.  Sounds somewhat similiar to a trade for a much maligined BOS star that Wilson pulled off a few years ago and that seemed to work pretty well.  Here would be a possible opening night lineup:

Thornton-Marleau-Heatley

Pavelski-Clowe-Michalek

Mitchell-Mcginn-Setoguchi

Nicol-Shelley-Staubitz

 

Vlasic-Blake

Boyle-Huskins

Murray-Lukowich

 

Nabakov-Greiss

Not a bad opening night lineup.  Whatever you do Doug Wilson, I have faith in your judgement. 

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Moving Seto

to the third line seems rough considering the year he just had, but I do like the youth movement that creates on the third line. That third line would be faaaaast. Just hope it wouldn’t hamper Seto’s offensive production too much.

by DownRUpLYB on Aug 2, 2009 4:35 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree on not blowing up the team. There is a very good core there. What there needs to be is a serious tweak. I saw an article the other day where Wilson referred someone to Jimmy Devellano, who was in a somewhat similar position a while back with the Wings. The solution ended up being dealing off Ciccarelli and Primeau, and bringing in Brendan Shanahan. I’d think moving in a direction like that would be best for the Sharks. And if you are trading Marleau or Thornton, do it for a pillar defenseman, because thats what this team really needs, is a big mean minute muncher defenseman.

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by IAmJoe on Aug 2, 2009 6:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Finally, a voice of reason. Maybe I’ve just been reading the comment threads of David Pollak’s blog too much, which mostly seem to entail people calling for a trade of Nabby, Joe, Patty, Doug Wilson, Al Sims, and Mark Pavelich, even though he only played two games in 1992. You hit on an important point in my view- there needs to be some more competition for roster spots.

Can’t say I’d be thrilled if the Sharks started the year with the current lineup, but I wouldn’t be crushed either.

by mepex on Aug 2, 2009 7:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I definitely agree that making huge changes is not the way to go when a team is that good. Then again, Heatley with Thornton would be extremely dangerous. I wouldn’t be comfortable with the forward group as it is, but then again what harm can it do to give the youngsters a chance? If they can’t fill the roles, sign a leftover UFA or make a trade. If they can, great.

Sounds somewhat similiar to a trade for a much maligined BOS star that Wilson pulled off a few years ago and that seemed to work pretty well.

Yeah, that has worked like a dream, instantly changing the fortunes of both the player and the team, turning former regular season powerhouses into all-around winners. Hey, wait a second…

by Malurous on Aug 2, 2009 8:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Of course, that line-up doesn’t quite work cap-wise; its around $3.2M over the cap when you don’t include any bonuses (this is giving Mitchell and Greiss both $750K and Staubitz the league minimum at $500K). Not to mention that there aren’t any healthy scratches ready to play if and when a player gets hurt/has a baby (which was quite a common event last year).

If Heatley is traded here, either Cheechoo, Michalek, and Ehrhoff/Vlasic or Marleau and Ehrhoff/Vlasic will have to be traded elsewhere, purely to get under the cap. And then there’s the issue with signing players to fill out a 23 man roster, which would be near impossible without trading away Marleau, Cheechoo, and Ehrhoff/Vlasic, perhaps even more if we don’t want to go the all league-minimum route.

And then of course, there’s the issue of the falling cap next year and the raises due to both Pavelski and Setoguchi. While there will be quite a few contracts coming off, that also means that more players need to be signed, and Heatley will possibly force one of Pavelski or Setoguchi out. If I had a choice between Heatley or one of those two, I would choose Pavs and Seto every time. Heatley has already reached his ceiling, while Seto and Pavs aren’t even close.

I admit, I have been completely against this trade ever since it has been rumored all those weeks ago, but I honestly don’t see how it won’t wreck the Sharks’s depth now and for the future.

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by mymclife on Aug 2, 2009 9:04 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I’m way late on checking on comments, but this is spot-on. Wilson is a fool if he tries to squeeze under the cap with a Heatley acquisition.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 5, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Goalie Problem Not Addressed

We can make all of these moves but none of them matter when you can’t rely on your goalie..Nabokov isn’t the answer in goal..He has regressed as a goalie a lot the last two years, especially in the playoffs..

The Sharks are in for more of the same in the playoffs if Nabby is our goalie..His five hole has been very exposed, and his lack of ability to come up with the big save will doom this team again..

If you don’t have a goalie you can trust, you are going nowhere in the playoffs..

by The Sear on Aug 3, 2009 10:26 AM PDT reply actions  

We Need Heatley!!!!

We always have trouble scoring goals, especially in the playoffs, a sniper like Heatley is just what the doctor ordered..Can you name me one guy on the team that is really feared?? The answer is nobody..Thornton is a passer(nobody is fears a passer), Marleau is a nice two way player, but no one fears him, Nabby, he couldn’t scare my mother, now Heatley being serviced by Thorntons great passes would be feared around the league and actually give the Sharks something they have never ever had, a sniper to be feared..

by The Sear on Aug 3, 2009 10:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Guess how many more goals...

the fearsome Heatley scored than minnow Patrick Marleau last year?

Answer: 1

Granted, Heatley’s been a multiple 50/50 player, and Marleau hasn’t gotten close, but Patty’s been more of a playoff performer than Heater.

The Great One should disprove your “nobody fears a passer” argument if Thornton’s actual play does not (ever notice how many times Joe makes the other defenders look ridiculous with his passes?).

But that’s all missing the point anyway. I don’t fear a single Red Wing player so much as I fear all of them. That’s what the Sharks need to get rid of the playoff choker label: every single player raising their level of play. They haven’t, and have suffered early exits.

by ievans on Aug 3, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

We will be in Cap hell...

However, if we can find some way to trade for Heatley without breaking the bank, I would be fine with it. Although, of the other rumors floating about, I would rather have Kessel or Sharp. Mainly Kessel due to the potentially amazing Star Wars related photoshops.

by SharksFanEst.1994 on Aug 3, 2009 1:07 PM PDT reply actions  

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