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Season Review: Andrew Ebbett, Odd Man Out?

I've been struggling for days to come up with a good visual pun for Andrew Ebbett, and I'm finally caving in and just writing -- there really wasn't any good way to illustrate Inventing the Ebbetts, and while seemingly there should be a way to compare his stature to that of a hobbit, from a punster's perspective it just became too much of a stretch. 

In a similar head-scratching way, I'm also stumped when it comes to figuring out whether or not Ebbett fits on next year's Anaheim squad.

Last season, little man Ebbett became quite a useful center for the Ducks, providing some minimum-wage stability for the second line while serving as a regular linemate for Teemu Selanne.  Ebbett's speed and lack of size fit right into Teemu's preferences -- as we've seen before with Paul Kariya and Andy McDonald, the Finnish Flash loves fast-darting linemates, though certainly Ebbett comes with less star power than those predecessors.  After spending Anaheim's first 33 games in the minors, Ebbett played a pretty valiant regular season on the second line, and though his offense faltered in the postseason, it has to be remembered that all those games were against the top two teams in the west.  For the most part, Ebbett was cheaply effective (certainly more effective than the ailing Brendan Morrison, who was supposed to anchor the second line), and I'm quite pleased with how he stepped into the vacant role. 

But now, with Anaheim's offseason acquisition of longtime-Teemu-buddy Saku Koivu, it seems that Ebbett's role as 2nd-line center has been usurped -- he's definitely lower on the centerman depth chart than Getzlaf and Koivu.  With all the forward talent that Anaheim keeps accumulating this offseason, I keep asking myself the question: can Andrew Ebbett crack Anaheim's top-six forwards next season?  Because if the answer to that becomes "no", then there's a tougher follow-up question: can Andrew Ebbett play as a bottom-six forward?  He's got speed and courage but no size -- can that package work on a grind or stopper line, especially if Ebbett isn't a reliable penalty-killing option?


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To help think through Ebbett's predicament, check out this list of 14 forwards listed in Anaheim's CapGeek.com roster -- I've sorted according to descending cap hit, and included listed position and shooting hand which I've stolen from my XBox's NHL 09 rosters -- not the most reliable source, but I'm sure it's getting its information from somewhere.  At any rate, here's largely the list of players who will be competing to be on the opening night forward lines:

Player Pos Shoots
R. Getzlaf C R
C. Perry RW R
J. Lupul RW R
S. Koivu C L
T. Selanne RW R
B. Ryan RW R
T. Marchant C L
E. Artyukhin RW L
P. Nokelainen RW R
G. Parros RW R
E. Christensen C L
R. Carter C L
M. Brown RW R
A. Ebbett C L

Notice anything crazy?  Not a single LW to be found anywhere -- that's not to say that players haven't played the position at all (probably most of Bobby Ryan's NHL career has been on the left side, for example), but seemingly Anaheim has zero natural left wings.  For sure the Ducks will have to come up with four left-wingers to round out their roster; if Andrew Ebbett can prove useful on that ignored side of the ice, maybe he can forge a way into Anaheim's top six or at least better situate himself to become a staple in the lineup.

Also at issue is the lack of experienced penalty-killing forwards -- out of the 14 names listed to the left, I feel like only Marchant, Brown, Nokelainen, and Carter have demonstrated decent PK ability (I suppose I could be bullied into including Getzlaf here, but it's probably not good for the Ducks' offense if the Bald One becomes a shorthanded staple).  Especially for a team with the penalty-happy tendencies of Anaheim, there's going to be a need for more depth players to step up into a PK role, and again, if Ebbett's speed game can prove useful towards that, he'll much more cement himself as an everyday player. 

It's also not insignificant that Ebbett is the lowest on this pay-scale totem pole; like last year, he is an unbelievable salary cap bargain.  Even if Ebbett doesn't crack the everyday lineup, he's not likely to be moved, I wouldn't think -- he'd still make a hell of a reserve.

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I really don't want to sound like an Ebbett naysayer, nor a guy who's down on his abilities or potential, but I'm worried about his ability to crack Anaheim's lineup full-time next year (though I'm certainly willing to be argued otherwise in the comments).  Even so, I think Ebbett does have some opportunity to make some noise from the LW position or as a PK forward -- the Ducks are seemingly thin in both those areas.  He'll certainly have competition for those roles and may get beat out -- we'll know a lot more when camp gets going -- but at least Coach Carlyle has plenty of forward options -- nobody's really backing into a role.  It may take some tinkering to find the right combinations, but hopefully the resulting lineup provide enough quality play to offset potential question marks on the blueline (something I'll be getting to soon enough) and thus survive the notorious post-Pronger curse.  Here's hoping.

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ebbet will have to wait till someone gets injured to get in the line-up and up to him if he takes advantage…RC IMO needs to see what an Ebbet-less line-up can do first

christensen is the man ithink thats in front of him..and he has more potiental upside..so unless he gets hurt or pisses of RC (which is possible as we all know) ebbet i think should be down in the minors polishing his game

cuz he wont replace carter cuz like u said carter is too valuable on the PK

u brought up another question whos the PK guy number #5? in case of an injury etc,?

hard question i could have sworn some canadian fan said koivu killed penalties that true?

think now its getzlaf

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 25, 2009 11:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it’s not so much that Getzlaf and Koivu are incapable of killing penalties (though Getzlaf’s GA-rate hasn’t been that stellar shorthanded), but they’re not ideal options — the more minutes you have them killing penalties the fewer that remain to score goals.

That’s at least under the old system of having a purely shutdown PK system. I suppose the Ducks could try to be more high-flying as shorthanded threats with some offensive players, but that’s an awfully tough thing to do well in a potent west.

christensen is the man ithink thats in front of him..and he has more potiental upside..

We’ve seen very little of Christensen, so tough to say much definitively there, but I have the same feeling. And while certainly Ebbett is the cheapest option of the bunch, Christensen falls in with a bunch of players playing for less than a million — they’re still pretty similar salary-wise.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 25, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think Christensen is in front of Ebbett. I think Christensen is still having to earn a spot. The team didn’t even think he was worth the qualifying offer, letting him become an FA in order to sign him for less. He’s a Bob Murray project, but I don’t think he’s even guaranteed to be on the NHL roster come Opening Day.

I voted “bottom six” but really, I imagine Ebbett will play wherever there’s room. If Carlyle divvies up the scorers among three lines, he’ll be in the mix somewhere, and even if he consolidates them to two, Ebbett will still get his minutes. He hustles all over the ice and he plays Carlyle’s system well. Barring injury, I would imagine he’ll play more games and get more ice time than anyone outside of the six scorers and Marchant. And he will undoubtedly be the first fill-in during Koivu’s inevitable injury.

As for penalty killing, I’m in the minority that, among forwards at least, anyone with a modicum of foot speed and hockey sense can do it. You don’t want your important guys stepping in to block shots and risk injury, but other than that, I think we have several options that could work, and Ebbett’s definitely one of them. I don’t think that will be a factor in whether or not he’s in the lineup.

by Snap Wilson on Aug 25, 2009 12:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think Christensen is in front of Ebbett. I think Christensen is still having to earn a spot. The team didn’t even think he was worth the qualifying offer, letting him become an FA in order to sign him for less. He’s a Bob Murray project, but I don’t think he’s even guaranteed to be on the NHL roster come Opening Day.

Might all be moot — I heard Christensen might not be ready for opening day. But assuming at some point we get to a fully healthy lineup, we’ll have to see — I don’t think E.C. was fully healthy in the games we got to see him play last year. As for the qualifying offer, I’m not sure that’s the hugest thing — seems like with the morning-of-July-first signing, both sides had previously agreed he’d play for the same salary as last year.

It could go either way, really — but there’s definitely non-Ebbett options. Last year, not so much.

As for penalty killing, I’m in the minority that, among forwards at least, anyone with a modicum of foot speed and hockey sense can do it.

Yeah, it’s a fine theory, but still — Ebbett played in 61 games total last year, and was on the PK for less than five total minutes. He might work out, but it’s certainly way too early to tell. I think PK could be a factor as to whether he dresses, though — there’s plenty of forwards who won’t be putting in those minutes, I’m pretty sure.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 25, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it’s a fine theory, but still — Ebbett played in 61 games total last year, and was on the PK for less than five total minutes.

I know, but that’s understandable when you look at who was ahead of him. We had a slew of great penalty killing “types”. I would say that it might be a factor if we had a strong set of bottom six forwards. We don’t, though. I think everyone except Marchant is in danger of being a healthy scratch at some point, and Ebbett brings some skill to that group. I’m sure he’ll sit on some nights as well, I just don’t think it will be as often as guys like Carter and Noke.

by Snap Wilson on Aug 25, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he could also replace the stash on some nites…well c…RC is unpredicatable

i got this feeling though with his limited size and non-PK factor and he seemed to forgetr how to win face-offs after coming out strong in the begining he would prefer not to have to use ebbet…

if ebbet is in the line-up it means were slumping and looking for a spark or there is some injury

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 25, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, and that’s the thing — some of the bottom-six will consist of non-PKers, who still provide grit and muscle. Guys like Artyukhin and Parros will get their appearances, even if they’ll cause more penalties than they’ll kill. So it’s almost a question of just “what’s left” — if there’s that many people not killing penalties, it almost means that the rest of the lineup needs to have some PK bent.

if ebbet is in the line-up it means were slumping and looking for a spark or there is some injury

Not necessarily true. Ebbett could totally work his way into the lineup through legitimate hard work and hustle, and I wouldn’t be upset. But he does have to edge out guys like Christensen and Carter to do so, and may need to prove that he can work better than them at being an effective bottom-sixer.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 25, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don’t think it will be as often as guys like Carter and Noke.

Somebody’s going to have to demonstrate to Carlyle that they can play the PK before I think either of these guys gets scratched. Or maybe Murray will go buy a cheap PKer on the market — there’s bound to be a cheap option left.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 25, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As for penalty killing, I’m in the minority that, among forwards at least, anyone with a modicum of foot speed and hockey sense can do it. You don’t want your important guys stepping in to block shots and risk injury, but other than that, I think we have several options that could work, and Ebbett’s definitely one of them. I don’t think that will be a factor in whether or not he’s in the lineup.

Not in a million years. Forget that he’s weak on the boards and easy to knock off the puck, but his faceoffs are horrendous. The main reason why Koivu is such a great PK, is the same reason Marchant is a great PK – faceoffs & smarts.

If the Ducks start the season with Ebbett in the lineup, i would be a sad panda. Although, with RC’s hate-on for Carter, who the hell knows.

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by Morbo on Aug 25, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea i have visions of ebbet getting steamrolled..i made it a bingo square lol

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 25, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The last word on this topic, honest.

Not in a million years. Forget that he’s weak on the boards and easy to knock off the puck, but his faceoffs are horrendous. The main reason why Koivu is such a great PK, is the same reason Marchant is a great PK – faceoffs & smarts.

Who says he has to take the faceoffs? Either forward can take the faceoffs, if he’s that bad, and his faceoff percentage was close to both Carter and Nokelainen’s last year (who would be his main competition for the role) so I don’t see that as much of a reason to discount him.

In any case, I’m thinking that the 1:30 to 2:00 per game we’re talking about for the second unit PK (which could get split among Getz and Koivu if Ebbett was absolutely awful in the role) doesn’t make up for the other ten minutes or so of ice time someone in Ebbett’s role might be playing where, again, he at least brings some skill that just about every other option other than the longshot Christensen is missing. If the top two lines are stacked with our chief scorers, the bottom line guys are going to score at an absymal rate. The top returning scorer, outside of the acknowledge “top six,” Marchant and Ebbett? Ryan Carter with nine points.

by Snap Wilson on Aug 27, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The top returning scorer, outside of the acknowledge "top six," Marchant and Ebbett? Ryan Carter with nine points.

Hm? Christensen had 28 pts last year, Artyukhin had 16, and we should never snub Parros for his ten points.

I guess your larger point has some merit, but if I’m a guy who’s setting Anaheim’s lineup, I definitely think that PK should be a priority when you consider how often the Ducks sit in the penalty box. You can definitely lose games on the back half of penalty kills, doubly for penalty-happy Anaheim.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 27, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I were on a team with Andrew Ebbet I would yell, “Hey Ebbet!” every time he walked into the room. Then he could mutter under his breath, “I hate that guy.”

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by RudyKelly on Aug 25, 2009 1:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL. Chapelle was great in that movie.

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by Morbo on Aug 25, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I were on that same team with him, I would hang a ridiculously short tie on him and put a hitler mustache on him while he slept.

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by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Aug 25, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has anyone ever imagined a line of Marchant centering Brown and Ebbet?? That is what our 3rd should be.

by The Waterboy on Aug 25, 2009 1:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It could work, but then (assuming that your top six is the top-paid six) you’d have to stick two PKers on your fourth line, I’d think — Nokelainen and Carter, I keep saying — and then you’ve got Artyukhin, Parros, and Christensen all battling for a spot.

It also all depends on what mold we really want the 3rd line to be. Brown would hit people on that line, but Todd & Andrew wouldn’t pack much punch. Good speed, though.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 25, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My lines:
Ryan-Getz-Perry
Lupul-Koivu-Selanne
Ebbet-Marchant-Brown
Nokelainen/Christensen-Carter-Artyukhin

I would probably flip flop R2 with Brown and Ebbet every once in awhile, but IMO Parros is the odd man out.

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by The Waterboy on Aug 25, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMO Parros is the odd man out.

Even if that makes hockey sense, they have to sell moustaches. :)

Parros did have a shockingly capable season last year — less out of place than at any other point in his Anaheim career. And with the three-year extension just underway, I’d be shocked if Parros lost too many appearances, especially at home.

It could be a good lineup, but I’m not going to get too naggy about specific lines — too many of these things will sort themselves out anyways as players familiarize with each other at camp. One thing I will say — if I were coach, I’d have to see somebody demonstrate backchecking on a Lupul-Koivu-Selanne line before putting them on the ice regularly.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 25, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

XBox’s NHL 09 rosters

Dude, I hope they give you a free copy of this game each year. You mention it enough to qualify, and the way you mention it is not just shamless promotion of the product, but from an actual end-user love of the game, which sells way better IMO.

I’ve seen software companies giveaway way more for way less.

by Mike in OC on Aug 25, 2009 5:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Get EA to give O’Brien a few copies of NHL10. Then, as a contributor to CLS and a helper with the Re-draft, I can get a copy too!

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by IAmJoe on Aug 25, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I played the NHL 10 demo – it’s good, very good. But I’m gonna be waiting until NHL 11 for financial reasons.

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by brokenyard on Aug 25, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m glad you made this post, because I was going to have to email you soon about Ebbett. I’m sort of wondering about him for a 3rd/4th line role on my CLS redraft team.

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by IAmJoe on Aug 25, 2009 11:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He’s about as cheap as they come in the NHL — that alone should keep him on your cap-conscious radar. And there’s nothing really wrong with putting Ebbett in as depth, so long as you’ve got forward-PK options available elsewhere. The Ducks’ situation is a little unique in that none of their top six really fit in on a PK unit — I think most other teams have more options, at least.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 25, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just thinking, at least we have the luxury of 7 top-six caliber players. Better than having 5 top-six guys and making a thread called “George Parros: Odd Man In?”

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by brokenyard on Aug 31, 2009 3:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, certainly it’s a great problem to have — in fact, I’m still holding out hope that guys like Artyukhin and Nokelainen could artificially crack the top six as passenger/contributors — if that happens, holy shit we’d be deep up front.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 31, 2009 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like that scenario…

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 31, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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