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Season Review: Jonathan Quick


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Favorite Moment(s):

 

Jesus, I forgot how many great glove saves he made last year.

Last Season: I can't  figure it out.  I know there's a reason I shouldn't assume that Jonathan Quick will be a good goaltender next season, but I can't find it.  Quick, who joined the Kings in late December over the more highly-touted Jonathan Bernier, was exceptional last year.  He has great numbers for over more than half the season, there's nothing stylistically wrong with his game, and he seems like a good guy that loves pressure.  What's not to like?  I don't know, but there's must be something, because no one else seems to have much hope for him.

At first I thought it was that his numbers were inflated by playing in front of the Kings' defense, but I don't think that's the case after running some numbers.  The Kings were much better at stopping shots before they got to the goaltender last year, moving their shots allowed per game from 32 shots per game (29th in league) to 28.1 shots per game (4th in league).  The team was done in more by a struggling Jason Labarbera and Erik Ersberg than anything else early in the season, and that problem was resolved by Quick at the midway point.  You would think that Quick benefited from the Kings' solid defensive game, except that the Kings' ability to prevent shots kind of disappeared after Quick took over.  Quick faced an average of 29.6 shots per game, which would put him more towards the middle of the pack amongst goaltenders.  The Kings kept up their solid overall defensive play because Quick took over, not because of their defense. 

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Then, I thought maybe it was because he was new and teams would eventually figure him out.  I think that's what happened to Erik Ersberg.  Ersberg joined the Kings' organization in 2007-08 and put exceptional numbers for the Kings in 14 games at the end of the season (2.48 GAA, .927 SV%); this led many Kings' fans to anoint Ersberg as the Kings' goaltending savior coming into this season.  Ersberg then proceded to put up poor numbers and was only saved the wrath of fans because their knives were already embedded in Jason Labarbera. 

Could the same thing happen to Quick?  Maybe, but I don't see much similarity between their situations.  Quick put up his numbers over a longer period of time and is bigger, more athletic, and faster than Ersberg.  The only things I don't like about Quick is his tendency to over-commit (leaving him out of position if the puck's angle changes) and the way he holds his head.  He kind of scrunches his shoulders instead of holding it up high, which I think makes it easier to screen him.  But then again, Tim Thomas does the same thing so what do I know.  The difference between Ersberg and Quick is that you can watch Quick play and see that the numbers he put up were reasonable; you can't say the same thing with Ersberg.

And then there's the fact that I've seen this story before.  I've seen Quick, and Ersberg, and Labarbera, and Garon, and on and on and on, come in and put up good numbers near the end of a year, get my hopes up, and then proceed to suck the next year.  It's happened so many times that I don't know if I can trust any goaltender to put my fears to rest.  Hopefully Quick can be the first one to do that.

Jonathan Quick had the 3rd best goaltender season for a rookie in the league last year, behind Steve Mason and Pekka Rinne.  I don't hear the same questions surrounding Mason and Rinne that I hear around Quick, despite the fact that Mason is 21 and Rinne's performance last year is not really in line with his career numbers.  When Quick was named to the Olympic tryout roster, he was mostly met with, "Who?"  I guess I don't understand it.  Maybe the fact that no one else is comfortable with Quick in goal for the Kings is making me uncomfortable.  What do you think, should the Kings be worried?

The Future: Quick will likely enter the season as the #1 starter and will probably give around a 2.5 GAA, .910 SV% performance.  I think that is probably his career projection and will be fine for next year.  The real intrigue is behind him, where a steady Erik Ersberg will be challenged by a high-risk, high-reward Jonathan Bernier.  The best thing that could happen for the Kings would be if Bernier can beat out Ersberg by mid-season and challenge Jonathan Quick for the #1 job starting next year.  If I know Quick, he'll take his game to another level to meet Bernier's challenge and then the Kings are set in goal for the foreseeable future.

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A lot of good points, Rudy. I’m no goalie expert, but that said, there’s no real reason to disbelieve in Quick that I can see. And yet there does seem to be a collective expectation for disappointment somewhere in the air.

But hell, there’s a lot to like about the Kings’ goalie trio in general. They’re collectively cheap and if any of them turn up winners it’s definitely a good model, probably better than what the other BoC teams have, with big money and expectations on Giguere and Nabokov.

And solid number crunching. If that keeps rubbing off, you’ll be watching Galactica in no time.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 26, 2009 2:04 PM PDT reply actions  

hes better than dan clouter—-cluoche..cluche whatever that douches name was..and probally always will be…rub your balls on that fact there skippy

lets hope tradition continues and your goaltending sux and you go get nittamayki or trade for roloson

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 26, 2009 2:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Or we could get Giguere, although he’ll probably be too busy wandering the halls and sobbing, “Francois! Francois!” to actually play.

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by RudyKelly on Aug 26, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

watch our goaltending goes downhill cuz no more allaire…

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 26, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m a little confused

watch our goaltending goes downhill cuz no more allaire…

What the hell does that mean? Anyways, I think Bernier was set back by being rushed and playing behind a very bad Kings defense. He and Quick are fundamentally different, in that Quick is a big, athletic kid who throws himself around the crease, whereas Bernier is more of the proto-typical French canadien butterfly style. For once in a very long time I am excited about the Kings goaltending situation. Even more excited than when we had Felix the Cat. That’s saying something.

by klink3115 on Aug 26, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Spade’s a regular Ducks fan commenter — he was referring to the departure of longtime Anaheim goaltending coach Francois Allaire to Toronto, and how it might negatively impact the Ducks goalies.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 26, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you very much for the explanation.

by klink3115 on Aug 26, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

And do you think it will be an issue? I mean, we saw what happened when Theodore and Huet left Montreal’s goaltending coach.

by klink3115 on Aug 26, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

It will probably be an issue, though I don’t really know on what timescale.

Anaheim’s had a lot of great goaltending performances from a lot of guys under Allaire’s guidance, especially in the playoffs — Giguere, Bryzgalov, Hiller — and you have to think Allaire’s eye for talent and his work with them has helped the Ducks shine in net. But his departure might not be noticed for a few years, I don’t really know — plus with a whopping amount of turnover on the Ducks’ blueline, maybe a regression was going to happen anyways.

So basically, “shrug, we’ll see”.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 26, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still think the Wings should’ve traded for Alliare or something. Oh, if we only had a real goalie!

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by IAmJoe on Aug 26, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

i assume rudy was talking about Allaire and not frankie…or maybe the colordao gm?..did he get fired?

or hes just making fun of french canadians..

i just wanted to make the point that our goaltending might suffer..i agree..not right away maybe the next guy after hiller..maybe that german guy we got from the sharks

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 27, 2009 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kind of reminds me of the goaltending factory that the Sharks used to be. Then those goalies started leaving, and of course Strelow died, and the results are quite noticeable. The Sharks’ top prospects haven’t risen to starter status anymore, Nabokov’s no more the all-star he used to be, same with Kipper. Toskala is playing himself out of a starter’s role, and Hedberg probably won’t be in the league for much longer.

Of course, there are other examples such as Allaire and Hasek’s old coach Mitch Korn. Since going to Nashville, he has “created” Vokoun, Chris Mason, Ellis and Rinne, none of whom could really be tagged as top prospects before he got his hands on them. And every single one of the NHL goalies (unless I forgot someone) as well as most of the top prospects resulting from the Finnish boom can be traced back to five different coaches back in Finland (and many of them to one). And Tim Thomas played for three of those coaches when he was in Finland, which is hardly a coincidence.

So I guess what I’m trying to say is that goalie coaching is underrated, and you can always see the results – you just have to give it a couple of years both when it comes to a coach coming in or going out.

by Malurous on Aug 27, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

your reasonable anyalsis has just got me depressed

Put those cookies back..Mutha fucka!!

by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 27, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously. I want to murder Brian Burke right now.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 27, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, if there’s one person teaching young Kings goaltenders about the finer points of the butterfly position it’s Bill Ranford… wait, we’re screwed.

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by RudyKelly on Aug 27, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think its more that your old GM went to the Kings to draft goalies

by Nut on Aug 27, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not “mine”. I’m a Bruins fan, and therefore an expert on screwing up goalies ;) (Seriously, if Rask implodes then how about a slow and painful death to everyone who’s ever had anything to do with goalies in that organization?)

Other than that, Nabokov, Kiprusoff and Toskala weren’t technically Lombardi picks as some other dude was still the GM, but I guess Lombardi would have influenced the draft as the assistant. Anyway, you may be on to something, but I believe the Sharks have had enough solid goalie prospects that one of them would have flourished if the coaching was what it used to be.

by Malurous on Aug 28, 2009 5:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t really understand the lack of trust in Quick either. I was a bit shocked that there were still bags of douche out there saying we should get Khabibulin again on Free Agency Day because we don’t have solid goaltending. Also, Quick had a comprable season to Miller so no one should think he doesn’t deserve to go to Olympic camp. I mean, its not like its Team Canada. However, I don’t think anyone at ESPN or TSN saw the Kings play last season, so that could be the explanation.

by Nut on Aug 26, 2009 8:27 PM PDT reply actions  

However, I don’t think anyone at ESPN or TSN saw the Kings play last season, so that could be the explanation.

While I totally agree about the impact of east-coast viewing patterns, I’m not sure anyone at ESPN watched any hockey at all last year.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 26, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now, Sleek, that’s unfair.

Barry Melrose fell asleep to an old Kings-Canadiens SCF tape this summer.

Feel bad now, don’t you?

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by jamestobrien on Aug 26, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can totally imagine Melrose sitting in his basement watching those 1993 finals over and over again too. Sobbing uncontrollably.

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by IAmJoe on Aug 26, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can totally imagine Melrose feeling like a big 10 ft. penis for acting all smart on espn and then flopping in tampa bay

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 27, 2009 6:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

LeBrun and Buccigross are pretty good (if you like scrolling through a long paragraph about life or Ben Folds Five before you get to hockey talk) but Burnside is a maroon and while sometimes I like Hradek’s articles he makes me want to punch him in the urethra on NHL Live.

by Nut on Aug 27, 2009 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Another advantage Quick has over Ersberg:

His last name can be a noun, adjective and with two simple letters an adverb.

You don’t find that kind of versatility every day.

Unless you hang out with Ben Eager and Patrick Sharp.

(OK, sorry.)

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by jamestobrien on Aug 26, 2009 8:47 PM PDT reply actions  

His last name can be a noun, adjective and with two simple letters an adverb.

Not to mention the best damn rabbit-promoted powdered-chocolate drink I’ve ever had, too.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 26, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I assumed that’s what he meant by noun. Haha.

Put the Prozac away, what you need is Rat Poison.

by brokenyard on Aug 27, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

(OK, sorry.)

You should be.

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by IAmJoe on Aug 26, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I watched Quick play for UMass

And honestly, his game has changed. He was a good goalie in Hockey East, but he’s become much more fundamentally sound. I don’t know if it’s because he’s got better coaching, or is just more motivated, but the errors he used to make in college, notably a complete lack of understand of how to use his glove, have completely changed.

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by Carl Johnson on Aug 26, 2009 9:22 PM PDT reply actions  

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