When will the Madness End?
by Cheechew on Sep 10, 2009 11:58 PM PDT
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NO Marleau has not been traded.....yet? Pandemonium (ok maybe a few text messages and IM's) ensued tonight when reports surfaced of a 3 way trade sending Marleau to the Kings, Kings sending Frolov and Stoll to the Sens and the Sharks getting Heatley. Here are how the chain of events unfolded.
Early in the day Bruce Garrioch of the Ottawa Sun reports that trade rumor. My friends and I do what we tend to do when we hear rumors like this. "What an idiot, we would be stupid to do that, Doug Wilson needs to be fired if this happens, etc."
Later John Buccigross of ESPN tweets that Heatley will be traded to the Sharks tonight or tomorrow. Now this is interesting cause Buccigross seems credible and knows his stuff. Minutes later ESPN.com is reporting the trade, it is on ESPN news bottom line and it is being reported on a sports talk radio here. (That last part is not saying much since they also reported that crazy rumor of Pronger to the Kings for Jack Johnson a few months back..but I digress. )
More madness ensues as we frantically check TSN, and other sites to get an update. As the denials came in from all the GM's involved, I remember back to the year 2000? when ESPN.com also had up on their site that Marleau was traded to New Jersey for Jason Arnott.
Now I am not saying this trade will not happen but it just doesn't make much sense. Taking on Heatley's contract in exchange for Marleau puts us over the cap and why would we trade Marleau to a division rival. Some might even argue why would we trade for Heatley when we could just keep Frolov and Stoll. With camp starting next week I would hope Wilson would just come out and say "No we are not trading for Heatley" and leave it at that.
On a side note, rookie camp has started and one of the guys I really want to see is young defensement Nick Petrecki. He started on a good note with a Gordie Howe hat trick in a game last week and his feisty style might be a good fit on the blue line.
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Some might even argue why would we trade for Heatley when we could just keep Frolov and Stoll.
More accurately, why would LA trade for Marleau when they could just trade Frolov and Stoll straight up for Heatley? It would fill that top-6 forward that RK wants, and hey, maybe it can even pan out next summer, if Kovalchuk wants to play with Heatley again (because I can’t imagine him actually resigning in Atlanta).
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by IAmJoe on Sep 11, 2009 2:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
More accurately, why would LA trade for Marleau when they could just trade Frolov and Stoll straight up for Heatley?
Because Lombardi’s on record as not liking Heatley’s character — whether that position is right or wrong, I think Dean’s a guy who’ll stand by his earlier position of “not interested”. If you or I were GM, I hear what you’re saying, but since it’s still Dean the Machine, he won’t acquire Dany pretty much because he said he wouldn’t.
And Frolov’s top-six. Maybe Stoll counts, too. There’s some net gain in production there, I suppose, but it’s not putitng an extra body in L.A.’s top six.
Good work following this, Cheechew — Fucking Twitter, eh? That system seems built for disastrous rumor-swelling.
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by Earl Sleek on Sep 11, 2009 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with the trade is that it at some point relies on a GM trading Heatley straight up for Patrick Marleau, whether literally or figuratively, and even with all the hand-wringing about Heatley there’s just absolutely no way anyone would ever do that.
The West Coast is the Best Coast.
by RudyKelly on Sep 11, 2009 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s what I thought too. Marleau and a high pick To the Kings… now that’s another story.
by Mike in OC on Sep 11, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, this trade makes no sense to me from a Kings perspective. I know DL hates Heatley’s character, but if the Sens are losing Heatley for Frolov and Stoll, why do the Kings not just go straight for Heatley?
Only other thing I can think of is positioning. If the rumored trade were true, include the two moves the Kings have already made.
LW Frolov —> LW Smyth
C Stoll —> Marleau
D Quincey —> Scuderi
Everything would basically already cancel out, and when you also consider the O’Sullivan/Williams trade last year at the deadline, these moves do appear (on paper, at least) to make the Kings a better team.
But do they need to even do anything? Getting Smyth and Scuderi for only Quincey already makes the team so much better. And there’s always the possibility that the Kings can make great strides this year (which we are predicting), and do so to such an extent that Frolov might actually decide to re-sign here. And if not, we can always trade Frolov for a player at the trade deadline, or trade his rights before the NHL draft (like FLA did with Bouwmeester).
But also, this would be a mega-steal for the Sharks. Essentially, they’re trading Marleau for Heatley, straight up. That’s not even a steal; the Sharks GM is raping everybody else in this trade. It’s like the Lakers getting Pau Gasol… okay, maybe it’s not that extreme because Marleau is still putting up good numbers, and he’s only two years younger than Heatley. But if the Kings could have either of those two players for what they’re giving up, you already know I’d take Heatley.
ALSO, can San Jose really be that much better than Edmonton? There was a deal in place that would’ve sent him to the Oilers, but he invoked his NTC and decided to stay in Ottawa, a place where he wants out of. I don’t know if he just thought that Edmonton wasn’t a good team, and would instead rather play with the Sharks simply because they’re a great team record-wise, but I personally wouldn’t choose San Jose over Edmonton. But then again, if I were getting $8 million a year, just like Manny, I’d go play in Afghanistan. I don’t care where I play, so long as I get the $$$.
Fuck you, Denis Gauthier. You suck at hockey... and life.
Get out of LA and never come back. Or better yet, sign with Anaheim.
by Kevin Y on Sep 11, 2009 8:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But do they need to even do anything?
Yeah, that’s the crux of the L.A. involvement in the rumor, and the answer is “no” — Kings should be more than fine starting with what they’ve got. As you’ve noted, there’s already new players that have to be experimented with — no need to scrap this experiment before even starting.
ALSO, can San Jose really be that much better than Edmonton?
City-to-city? Depends what you think about pressure — in EDM, you’re never off the hook. But if I’m Heatley, I’m probably looking less at what city I’m in, and probably looking more at linemates. Joe Thornton >> Shawn Horcoff. That I think would matter more to me than the difference between SJ and EDM as cities.
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by Earl Sleek on Sep 11, 2009 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re fucking high if you don’t think San Jose is a million, trillion, 10 times better than Edmonton. I mean, norcal sucks but let’s not get crazy here.
But yeah, the rest of your post makes sense.
The West Coast is the Best Coast.
by RudyKelly on Sep 11, 2009 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it’s just that I’ve lived in California my whole life, and my dad is from the Bay Area, so I’d want a change of scenery.
Fuck you, Denis Gauthier. You suck at hockey... and life.
Get out of LA and never come back. Or better yet, sign with Anaheim.
by Kevin Y on Sep 11, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ALSO, can San Jose really be that much better than Edmonton?
As a team, Edmonton can’t even shine San Jose’s shoes. Not many teams do I regularly use as a punchline, but the Edmonton Oilers are one of them, because they’ve been hands-down one of the stupidest teams in the league since the lockout. Yes, they went to a Cup Final, but holy shit, have things imploded quickly. Edmonton is going nowhere. San Jose, while they may take a step back in the next couple years, mostly due to cap issues, is still going to be way better than Edmonton, because they have competent management. Management that isn’t retarded goes a long way in pro sports.
On a city to city basis… would you want to live in Siberia or San Jose? Edmonton and Phoenix are about the two worst free agent destinations right now, and Phoenix is largely in part because of uncertainty about the future, whereas no one has wanted to go to Edmonton for several years now.
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by IAmJoe on Sep 11, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
norcal sucks
hey now! watch it ther buddy boy!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
by ang6666 on Sep 11, 2009 8:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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