Season Review: Jone S. Hillguere, the two-headed netmonster
Hey, gang. Sorry I've fallen off the post bandwagon for a bit there -- even though preseason schedule has been brutally upon us, it still feels a lot like summer doldrums. Yeah, I know that east coast has been showing me its share of preseason on TV, which does help, but until I get to see a televised Koivu, none of it feels real. Additionally, I've been having a weird combination of experimenting with a new iPhone* while my home computer fights through many issues, which has severely altered my web habits.
* BTW, the comments section here would be a fabulous place to recommend some useful or fun iPhone apps -- I'm in over my head at this point. But I can still spend half a day doing word jumbles.
At any rate, I'm going to finish off my inaugural "Season Review" offseason series with a look at Anaheim's main two netminders, but I should add a word about the overall series. For one, you'll note that it's ironically titled -- mostly these posts have been looks forward, not backwards, and I've included future players like Lupul while excluding past players like Pronger. Somewhat related, you'll note that I haven't done any defenseman-centered posts since Captain Niedermayer three weeks ago -- that's because every other defenseman on the roster is new to the club (less than 42 GP for any of them, including playoffs), and as a whole, I just need to see them play some games before I can pass any proper judgment.
So now we skip ahead to goaltending, which while important, is a battle that I don't think needs to be solved by next week or even by December. We know already from preseason results that we can expect many different things from a Prongerless defense, and I expect that the blueline will continue to evolve the first few weeks of the season (as well as probably the forward lines). The upside to all this dynamic change is that there are two quality netminders to audition during that span, and yes, naysayers, I am counting J.S. Giguere as one of them.
After the jump, a look at both contenders' seasons last year plus a loose discussion of each player's strengths and weaknesses (warning, though: goaltending criticisms are Rudy's specialty, not mine -- I largely criticize goalies through spreadsheets).
LAST SEASON
J.S. Giguere
Now it's perfectly reasonable to associate Giguere's fall to mediocrity last season with the passing of his father in Montreal -- definitely too touchy a subject to contradict, at least. But definitely I remember thinking last year that I started seeing the fall of J.S. right around the time he was put onto the All-Star Game ballot, and thanks to tireless Anaheim robot voters, when he became the frontrunner starter for the west. That proved to be an ironic honor for Giguere -- career-wise he was a worthwhile starter in his native city's event, but at the same time he was playing the worst hockey of that career. The drop is probably best evidenced in looking at save percentage by month:
Oct 08 -- .903
Nov 08 -- .913
Dec 08 -- .920
Jan 09 -- .858
Feb 09 -- .895
Mar 09 -- .879
Yup. Whatever issue plagued Jiggy, he fell off the map, save-percentage-wise. Giguere was a 2.92 GAA / .911 sv% goalie the last three months of 2008 and a 3.43/.882 sv% goalie the first three months of 2009. His results worsened by 1/2 a goal a game, and by 3 goals per 100 shots -- huge swings by our typical goaltending metrics.
But while it's easy to look past Giguere's chances because of his recent mediocrity and Hiller's recent stardom, it's probably too early to write a eulogy for the guy's career -- there's been very very few goaltenders who have been consistently better than Giguere since the lockout. He's the last goalie not named Bryzgalov who had success behind a Prongerless defense in Anaheim's history, and if the Ducks' defense does turn into a wild west firesale, I almost have to think that Giguere is the favorite to reassume the #1 role in Anaheim. Because assuming Giguere returns to some pre-funk form, at his best Giguere is a guy who swallows pucks -- Hiller at his best is a guy who blocks many back into play. If Anaheim can't control rebounds as well as they could with Pronger (something I'd call "very likely"), then Hiller's style becomes less useful, but we'll get to that below.
One vote of confidence for Giguere comes from Anaheim's preseason results, I suppose. The only two games the Ducks won in regulation this preseason were the only two games that Giguere played 60 minutes. Even that has caveats, though -- both wins featured last-minute 6-on-5 goals that brought the opponents within one; Giguere likes to make every game a nailbiter.
But he's got experience. He's got an excellent pre-2009 track record. He's got a Smythe and a Cup and an undeserved ASG start. And he's got $6M counting against the cap this season and next with a no-movement clause; from an accounting and trade-likelihood** perspective it'd be much better for the Ducks if Giguere could re-dominate the nets.
** One argument against moving Giguere is this: the two most successful postseasons the Ducks have enjoyed have exactly coincided with J.S. Giguere's last two contract years. Jiggy is only one season removed from his next contract year -- dare the Ducks fuck with karma?
Jonas Hiller
It's fair to say that when Giguere faltered last season, Hiller then stepped in and began dominating the nets. But I think Hiller played excellently all last year -- fluctuations in his results were more about the team in front of him, I suspect. When the Ducks played serious hockey, Hiller was instrumental in their wins. And let's not fuck around -- Hiller beat the San Jose Sharks and pushed Detroit to 7. Getzlaf and pals had enormous playoffs for sure, but the Ducks collectively were outshot 532 to 349 over the 13 games of the playoffs, yet the Ducks outscored their opponents 35 to 32!
It's tough to nail down exactly where Jonas Hiller 2009 ranks among the goaltending performances that Anaheim fans have enjoyed this decade -- as I mentioned in the playoffs, every three years a goalie makes his debut and owns a postseason, and Hiller's eye-popping .943 playoff save percentage was exactly that -- even a step up from his regular season .919.
But it's also important to remember the Ducks' survival strategy employed throughout many stretches in last year's playoffs -- weathering the storm until Getzlaf's next shift. And while opponents threw great volumes of shots at Hiller's net, the Ducks dedicated themselves to securing Hiller's loose pucks -- the Swissman is an excellent puckstopper but a frequent rebound machine. And that was really where Pronger and Beauchemin both played key roles -- they were both instrumental in the battle outside Hiller's crease.
There's no reason to think that Hiller won't remain excellent at his #1 skill -- stopping the first shot with amazing consistency -- and if Giguere continues his decline, Hiller will see plenty of them. But if and when the new blueline has less control of rebounds (especially shorthanded), how will Hiller's numbers get affected by loose puck battles? Will he have to adjust his "first shot" game to hold more pucks, and can he make that adjustment easily?
I should stop there -- really I'm talking in hypotheticals and there's nothing that I know about Jonas Hiller that suggests he'll be anything less than a monster in net this year. And unlike Giguere, Hiller actually is on a contract year this year -- while it definitely will make trouble heading for next summer, I think it's a really good thing. Hiller needs an audition behind a thinner defense before the Ducks should commit any big money/years to the guy, and this situation should be perfect in determining his long-term value. He'll definitely take a bite of salary-cap-space next summer, quite possibly with another team, but that's down the road. For now, it's just time to see how dominant he really can be.
Looking forward
I guess I could end this post with a simple 2-option poll, but I don't know -- my perspective on the situation changes quite frequently, and until I really get to see this blueline play (Row B on Saturday, bitches!), it's tough for me to even nail down a prediction. And as usual, Coach Carlyle is zero help -- that guy is more likely to tell me his ATM PIN than who his starting goalie will be.
But even though it's difficult to predict who will ultimately seize the day, it's a great overall situation -- both guys have lots to prove, there's plenty of time to get it right, and the front office gets to react next summer based on better knowledge of each player's abilities. Feel free to offer your predictions or hopes in the comments -- who will be the Ducks #1 by mid-season? -- and feel free to change your mind as many times as you like. For now, though, it's time to drop some pucks and see how this new-Ducks team looks. Can't fucking wait -- standings points start getting awarded tomorrow, if you can believe it. I'd better get started on a gameday post.
Go Ducks.
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Ducks Roster is down to 23 players now. No real surprises, though Festerling and Mikkelson both got shoved out by more experience.
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by Earl Sleek on Sep 30, 2009 11:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post. I’m pretty much in agreement with you: Giggy sucked last year but he has the track record that makes you think he can rebound, while Hiller is trying to prevent so many rebounds but was otherwise excellent. Of course, I don’t know if the stats would back up how many rebounds Hiller gives up compared to the average goaltender; it could just be my memory.
The Ducks were what, 21st in goals allowed last season? I think they’ll probably stay there or drop a little bit. Hopefully drop, because your team is just the worst.
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by RudyKelly on Sep 30, 2009 11:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but a lot of Hiller memories come from the playoffs, which consistently was played against the west’s best. For sure he’s rebound-happy, but it may not be to the degree we saw in April — those were some powerful lineups around his net.
I guess I’d take even — it’s like my cell phone situation — I was starting from such a low floor, that any improvement (like an uninterrupted 10-minute phone call) impresses the hell out of me. Go iPhone!
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by Earl Sleek on Sep 30, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go iPhone!
Welcome…excellent choice! :)
I recommend using Echofon for your Twitter. It’s free and super easy to use…so it wins the Twitter battle for me. It highlights mentions and is good for DM’s…it also takes you to the last tweet you’ve read.
Adding the Ducks website to your home page (by visiting the site on your phone and clicking the + at the bottom of the page…be sure to zoom in on the D logo or something, as the image on the screen will be the image on your phone), this site too, if it will help your mobile commenting!
Something simple like Sportacular for scoring updates and information. And PapiJump for free mind numbing entertainment from time to time.
Oh, and upload all of your music to it. It will take up some space (not much though)…but works damn well as your ipod.
And I don’t have an emotional tie to either Giguere or Hiller. My philosophy will be “win and you’re in”, I don’t care how much they’re getting paid or how long they’ve been on the team. I thought that the weaker D last season exposed Giguere a bit…so I can only imagine what it might do to him this year.
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by SK eleven on Sep 30, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the answer is clear.
Giguere’s salary is too much, so you’ll have to trade Hiller to Detroit.
Damn, that would be nice.
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by IAmJoe on Sep 30, 2009 11:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hiller Good, Giguere Bad- You kind of have to sign Hiller, but then what do you do with Giguere?
Giguere Good, Hiller Bad- Great, you have your starting goalie back. But do you sign Hiller or get a new back-up?
Hiller Bad, Giguere Bad- The best outcome, as the Ducks would be pretty screwed. Do you go with the same duo the next season?
Giguere Good, Hiller Good- …?
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by RudyKelly on Sep 30, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giguere Good, Hiller Good- …?
Sell half the team to Ballsillie and live like Scrooge McDuck.
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by Earl Sleek on Sep 30, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
post ghosts? or pre-ghosts?
i want to make sure we will have the gusto to hail “arrrr humbug”
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Sep 30, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you referring to Ebinezer Scrooge, or Scrooge McDuck. ah. nevermind. not important.
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by tu madre on Sep 30, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Spade was brought up on classic Dickens.
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by Earl Sleek on Sep 30, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think your right.
This however got me thinking about other Scrooge movies. Wasn’t Bill Murray in one?
Which then got me thinking about Groundhogs Day (which might be one of those movies that might suck now, but was great when it came out)
Which then got me thinking about the time I sat next to Bill Murray in the Pauma Valley Golf clubhouse bar and drank a beer. I said " you made me laugh in your movies", he said “thanks”, and that ended the conversation.
By the way, that dude has huge pot marks on his face, it’s really quite disturbing.
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by tu madre on Sep 30, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bill murray doesnt seem like a dude who would have any intrest in any conversation with a fan..
thats why your better off not trying to meet any movies stars, rockers etc…more than likely your gonna be disapointed on how much of a douche they are in person..better off admiring from afar..
stick to meeting hockey players..there always nice
groundhog day was cool cuz of the idea…be cool to know whats gonna happen everyday and do it different every day without the consequences
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Sep 30, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m still incredibly a huge sucker for Bill Murray — I caught myself twice this summer somehow captivated with that movie “The Man Who Knew Too Little” on the HDNet channel.
Yeah, he’s well past his glory and his face does have craters, but he still gets me laughing pretty easily.
Fun fact: my dad hates talking about it, but he apparently lived with Bill Murray and Brian Doyle Murray way back when they were dirt-poor comedians. It didn’t last long — my dad was a straight-nosed hard-worker who never quite understood comedy.
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by Earl Sleek on Sep 30, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what you liked that movie? i thought it was his worst
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Sep 30, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I apparently like watching it in half-hour segments. What can I say? The clicker tends to stray during the offseason.
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by Earl Sleek on Sep 30, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Call me a homo, but I thought Lost In Translation was one of his best performances. That man can just look at a camera and have it be worth more than ten minutes of dialogue. I think it’s his droopy eyes- they’re perfect for playing a character that seems bored with life.
I also thought his cameo in Get Smart was unbelievably hilarious.
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by Mr. Plank on Sep 30, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea i liked life aquatic..for some weird reason..thats my guilty pleasure..lost in translation was kinda boring..but ok..ive seen worse movies
hello “9” i thought that was gonna be an intresting movie..but man it sucked i feel asleep
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Oct 1, 2009 6:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked 9. No character developement, but I felt like the realization of what happened to the world made the world itself the main character. That and their creature designs were beautiful, in a twisted way
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by Bleys on Oct 1, 2009 11:43 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Life Aquatic also fucking killed.
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by Mr. Plank on Oct 1, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, Life Aquatic was fuckin awesome. I remember I hated it when it came out cuz I was in a new relationship and my best-friend wanted me to watch it, while all I wanted to do was be obsessed with my girl.
But now I can truly appreciate every effing moment of that fucking movie.
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by brokenyard on Oct 2, 2009 3:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, he was cool. He just didnt really want to be bothered. So I didnt bother him.
But I do know where one of his houses is.
He lives in that Pauma Valley community that I happened to be able to play a round of golf in. Kinda cool I guess.
I guess he’s always drinking at that bar after he golfs.
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by tu madre on Sep 30, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they are both gonna be good. And we are gonna need them to be, if our D doesnt tighten up.
But, barring injuries, once this reletivly new team gets used to each other, we are gonna have one kick ass, exciting team. It might take a little while, but I think everyone will mesh well.
I’m pumped. Go Ducks.
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by tu madre on Sep 30, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding — hard to believe this stupid season is finally here tomorrow — televised meaningful hockey changes everything.
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by Earl Sleek on Sep 30, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It might take a little while, but I think everyone will mesh well.
And I guess that’s the thing I should have stressed more in the post — it’s much more critical for the Ducks to answer “who will be killing penalties?” than the question “who will be playing in net?”
PKers needs an immediate answer. Stopper line strategy needs an answer pretty soon. Goaltending? I probably need an answer to that by New Year’s. Maybe.
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by Earl Sleek on Sep 30, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that a general principle of the Ducks should be never work with Detroit. Then again, Penner did a number on the last team we hated. Maybe an operative in Detroit would be nice
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by Bleys on Sep 30, 2009 11:28 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
His name is Bertuzzi, and sad to say, he probably is our operative. The Ducks are paying more to Big Bert than the Wings are.
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by Earl Sleek on Sep 30, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
XFD, thats a funny piece of trivia, I had forgotten you were still on the hook for him.
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by IAmJoe on Sep 30, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
im kinda pulling for jiggy beacause of the whole rebound and d man thing and for sentimental reasons…well c
seeing the final cuts whos the D man that eats bench early?
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-"val kilmer-Jim morrison-doors movie"
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Sep 30, 2009 12:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
seeing the final cuts whos the D man that eats bench early?
Who’s scratched opening night? I dunno — possibly Brookbank, but I’m still way in the dark on guys like Eminger and Boynton. I suspect Sbisa gets to play just because he’s a visible return on the Pronger trade — and optics do matter.
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by Earl Sleek on Sep 30, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wisniewski will obviously get a spot after winning the Ducks charity sushi contest.
Uh, WTF?
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by Earl Sleek on Sep 30, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was gonna say eminger but hes a veteren right? and sit brrokbank…but the fact brookbank has been here and knows the system im thinking its reversed and eminger sits..I agree Sbisa plays to save barstool some face..hmmmm or play 7 and sit a 4th liner…
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Sep 30, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think all this business of Hiller’s problems with rebounds is kind of trying to find a problem where not much of one exists. Giguere is pretty much my model for a butterfly goalie, and he plays it to near-perfection. Hiller is also playing a pretty good butterfly, but the big difference between the two is that Giguere manages to collect everything thrown his way into his chest/belly, whereas Hiller will often knock things down and then try to cover it up. I think that is a fixable stylistic issue. Were Alliare there to work with him, I’d probably feel better about it as a Ducks fan, but if Allaire has been replaced with anyone decent, then it should be something Hiller can work on.
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by IAmJoe on Sep 30, 2009 12:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
but if Allaire has been replaced with anyone decent, then it should be something Hiller can work on.
All I know is that it’s Pete Peeters. Don’t know about his decency yet.
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by Earl Sleek on Sep 30, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
all they ever say about him is he likes to put the gear on himself and be out there with the goalies..
so hes a soccer/softball dad pretty much cant let go of the game…sounds very promising hehe
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Sep 30, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he’s a softball dad like Randy Marsh from South Park, maybe it’d give Barstool Bob somebody to fight with during close games.
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by Earl Sleek on Sep 30, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Put the Prozac away, what you need is Rat Poison.
by brokenyard on Sep 30, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, brokenyard. Its always nice to snort your drink while you’re innocently perusing BoC.
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by IAmJoe on Sep 30, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
when he starts singing makes me laugh my ass off with that stupid square mustache
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-"val kilmer-Jim morrison-doors movie"
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Oct 1, 2009 6:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He used to be the goaltending coach in Edmonton. I’ve mostly heard negative things about his performance, but it’s tough to say if that means he’s actually bad at being a goalie coach or not. The bad stuff mostly seems to have been a conflict with Garon over trying to change his style a bit, as I recall.
by MattM on Oct 1, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peeters: Alright, Mathieu, I want you to try not getting hurt at the most inopportune times.
Garon: How dare you, you quack!
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by RudyKelly on Oct 1, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
. Can’t fucking wait -
I am drunk and was re-reading this post. Due to the swearing I naturally assumed it was Rudy but was pleasantly surprised to see that Earl has some angry excitement in him. Awesome.
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