Kings Gameday: Let's Talk About This Real Fast

Quick down is his penalty kill save percentage, which is only .846, good for 38th in the league

holy shit is that bad…whya rent u guys trying to go get biron, turco, roloson..let quick use the demotion on getting better next year

I agree with you, for the most part. I’ve never really bought into Quick all the way. I was very happy with him last year, but I would have been happy with a cardboard cutout instead of Labs. I saw inconsistancies with Quick’s game last year and chalked it up to him being young. This year that excuse doesn’t go as far. Quick can be very good at times, but he still seems be get himself out of position quite a bit. He’ll be a starter in this league more than a back up, but I’m not sure if he’ll ever be a stud.

As far as the Kings go, I want to see what Bernier can do next year. Have a little healthy competition between him and Quick. Maybe Quick will suprise us and elevate his game when he isn’t guaranteed to start 75 games. My money is on Bernier being the man for the Kings by the end of next year.

you can have Jiggy for free.

Quick doesn’t have great numbers, but he has been far more solid a goaltender than we’ve had in a long time. You have to remember, people reminisce about Potvin and Hrudey, and neither of those guys were that great. Quick is like Hrudey a little bit in that he can make amazing saves on shots he shouldn’t get but then lets in that first goal for the Maple Leafs. I’m all for leaving Bernier down until next season. It’ll be interesting to see how things pan out for him, Carey Price, and Steve Mason during their careers since Price and Mason are already having confidence issues.

…people reminisce about Potvin and Hrudey, and neither of those guys were that great.

Hey, I’m going to punch you in the face.

He was awesome, but not great numbers wise.

I know but you don’t have to say it.

That was a strange season for the Kings.

In retrospect I never should have gotten that “SEAN BURKE 4 LIFE” tattoo.

First off, I really like the work you guys do here. Top notch. Just thought I’d chime in to say that PK save percentage tends to regress hard to about average. I’ve looked at it in the past in terms of the change over one season and it can be pretty drastic. Tyler Dellow has also done some work in this area that I found helpful. I’m pretty sure that one of the reasons Gabe suggested using EV Sv% instead of overall Sv% is to eliminate the high amount of variance you get from PK and PP Sv%. Incidentally, the average goalie is about .870 on the PK.

Kings games average a combined less than 6 goals per game. That means that, since you can’t have a 3-3 score anymore, it’s basically who hits 4 goals first that wins. Only once this season have the Kings won IN REGULATION when allowing 4 goals: the 6-4 win against SJ back in October.

The Kings have scored 5+ goals 13 times this year (no shootouts), and have allowed 5 goals in a game only five times (excluding one shootout). What that means is that more often than not, Quick is better than the other team’s goaltender. That’s all that matters.

The Kings score a lot of goals (they’ve actually scored 5 goals eight times, while scoring 4 goals only seven), so even though Quick’s save percentage or GAA numbers are further away from the league average than you’d like, he still does what he needs to.

The Kings are now 7th in goals scored and 14th in goals allowed, both in the top half of the league, and both better than the league average. And they are 10th in the league in points. So whatever Quick is doing, it’s working.

Who are the best stats goalies in the league? Ryan Miller and Martin Brodeur. Brodeur is 31-16-2, Miller is 28-11-5. Quick is 28-16-3. Not exactly even, but close enough. I usually look at save percentage before any other stat, but you can’t ignore the results. If we had Brodeur, we’d be spectacular. But not that Quick is terrible.

Hey, hey, hey, I specifically requested that you write about a non-King player and their awfulness! What do I have to do, bake you cupcakes and print up a tee shirt that says “Mr. Always Right”?

Sigh. Jon Quick. Pierre LaBrun just praised him, and I think his win total and shootout save percentage (in the land of no rebounds) could mislead some people into thinking he’s been great. Mostly I’m just glad he pulled out of that mental tailspin or whatever it was and that he’s back to being average. Behold the soft bigotry of low expectations. Plus, he looks like a puppy, and I can’t get mad at anyone who looks like he’s only fifteen for very long. (Ersberg is more like eleven.)

That Olympic picture needs more dog.

Jumpin’ johosefats, we’re gettin’ railroaded!

NHL gamecenter has changed my life

Brown apparently gets “tight when things aren’t going right” haha

Get out the checkbook and pay Grandma for the rubdown! GREENE SCORES!!!

Oooh, ooh, I vote Ryan Smyth.

Anybody else have an overwhelming urge to say “Umberger!” like Steve Martin says “hamburger” in Pink Panther whenever they hear his name? No, just me? Ok then.

Quick’s making me look like an asshole.

1-0. thats pretty sweet

Pete Demers AND Bailey? I’ll book my tickets now.

Simmonds doing a lot on that shift

ziggy palffy how i miss thee

Is that Manute Bol in the Taiwan ads?

This made me think of what Bob tells Jimmy during commercial breaks (For you, speech is a second language)

I dunno about Moller on the second unit PP. Feel free to score and prove me wrong, lil’ Oscar.

UmBERger.

Whew, that was gorgeous!

give him a biscuit for that!

well god damnit

2nd period was Great Success!

I really want him to roll up his pant leg at the end of the segment and say, “And I’m wearing them right now!”

another nice setup by Brown

Ry-aaaaaaan Smyth, Ry-aaaaaaaan Smyth!

Yeah, Jim…if you jam your stick in the side of the referee, he really can’t overlook it.

God we suck on 5 on 3’s

was that right before the 5 on3 ended??

not that it matters much

Well, there goes the F You Rudy shutout!

thats o’donnells 2nd own goal this week. not that we record such things

We got one minute to send out Ratis to eat someone’s shoes…

Red Coss. Standard messajeeng. I love you, Jimmy.

In that Team Canada photo, Jumbo Joe’s got a mouth that looks like he could eat an apple through a fucking fence

Dear Kings, always promise Kopi the Stay-Pufts.

Well, I must say that was a pleasure. Thank goodness Rudy’s gameday post hex did not work at all! Solid. I don’t usually watch a Kings game and feel so relaxed.

Wooooooo. Night all!

Around the time that Quick was promoted over Bernier (12-2008), people were of course comparing the numbers and somehow coming to the conclusion that Quick’s numbers were better. Their goals-against was identical to within 1/100s of a goal; SV% was the stat everyone kept citing. But the problem with Quick and SV% is he gives up about 25% more rebounds than Bernier, so on average something like 6 of his shots are self-generated, rebounds that wouldn’t have existed with Bernier.

Now, I think Quick has improved marginally in the rebound department, which had better be true, because otherwise his fairly ungood SV% numbers have to be even further down-graded because he’s the cause of a quarter of those shots.

The other thing that I find interesting: theres a site (hockey numbers, I think it’s called) that breaks down SV% by difficult, average and easy shots (don’t ask me how). Quick is near the bottom of the league in hard and average shots, but stellar on easy shots (98% — that’s actually better than most goalies, all but about five of them).

Maybe the people categorizing the shot quality are insane. My own feeling is that Quick is great on the difficult shots. I don’t know.

I like him anyway. (maybe because in the beginning of the season he tended to play bad in wins and good in losses so I didn’t care; i.e. he wasn’t losing us games…and I don’t think he’s lost us more than one or two all year.)

But I also have been from the start of the year an advocate of bringing up JB and trading EE. He’s going to be our 1A or 1B next year anyway. And if QUick gets hurt, there isn’t a chance in hell we’re going to hand the reigns to Ersberg. DL would promote Bernier and EE would still sit. So why are they being so coy?

is that he doesn’t appear to be mentally ill. he’s like alec baldwin in “State and Main” when he flips the car with the drunk under-aged girl in it and he crawls from the wreck, surveys the scene and says, “okay, that happened.”

bernier, by all reports, is more in that dickhead hextall/belfour mold. which is why they ought to be a good tandem and why I can’t wait. (also, bernier is technically beautiful re positioning, conservation of movement, rebound control — he has the power to just piss you off, like Craig Ludwig’s shin pads.)

Otherwise I might of believed my eyes. Jesus Christ, his name is “Quick” for fuck’s sake what more do you want? Its worth the psychological advantage alone. All of your stats cited are defense dependent. Even over four years, if the defense sucked for four years it would be meaningless. This year is the first year I can remember the Kings having something that could be pointed to and called a “defense”.