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Stupid, Stupid Sharks


Ok, here's how to fix things, boys. First, stop being mesmerized by your own pretty passes and nifty stickhandling. That crap doesn't work in the playoffs. Next, read my primer on beating the god damn neutral zone trap. Then skate and hit instead of chase the puck.

Remember way, way, way back when Darryl Sutter broke up the Jeff Friesen/Vincent Damphousse/Owen Nolan line by putting grinder Dave Lowry there? I know Meg wants to keep the checking unit together, but I'd consider retooling things this way:

Scott Nichol/Joe Thornton/Dany Heatley
Patrick Marleau/Joe Pavelski/Manny Malhotra
Ryane Clowe/Torrey Mitchell/Devin Setoguchi
Jed Ortmayer/Logan Couture/Jamie McGinn

I'm not a fan of putting the Big Three together except for the power play. This gives each line a little bit of everything, and -- most importantly -- adds a grinder element to the Thornton/Heatley combination.

Why is that a good thing? See my primer on beating the god damn neutral zone trap, then put Nichol in the role of first guy in. Ideally, he bashes the defenseman with the puck, Thornton digs it out, and Heatley is primed to shoot. Same thing with the second line, except Malhotra goes in first, Pavelski sets it up, and Marleau goes for the shot. Or you guys just cycle the freakin' puck to wear out the defense. That's not Scott Niedermayer and Chris Pronger circa last year out there, it's aging Adam Foote and Scott "Bad Holding Penalty" Hannan. If you move your feet and hustle, you can win the puck, then control the game.

Easy, right? Now get your heads out of your asses and start hustling like you did in the first 10 minutes of the game and the first 10 minutes of the third, and forget the other 40 minutes existed.

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I agree with breaking up the top line, but I’d put Clowe with Thornton and make that the top line. Nichol’s a good energy guy but he isn’t good enough to get top-line minutes.

I also liked Marleau with Setoguchi earlier this season, so I’d try to make that happen.

You’re right about beating the trap and playing physical – the Sharks have to know that already, so why didn’t they do it? It’s not like the Avs just invented the fucking strategy last night.

Everything sucks except for the Sharks.
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by Megalodon on Apr 15, 2010 10:47 AM PDT reply actions  

I was surprised when Patty and Malhotra played well together earlier in the season. I’d try to make that happen because Malhotra’s so good at digging the puck out.

Man, when Seto missed that open net, I thought to myself “Shit, that could change the whole game right there.” I hate it when I’m right.

by Mike Chen on Apr 15, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah Setoguchi really wants it bad, but doesn’t have the speed to make it happen most of the time. That’s why he’s a good complement for Marleau.

And I didn’t have any problem with Malhotra’s play last night.

Everything sucks except for the Sharks.
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by Megalodon on Apr 15, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I haven’t been a fan of rolling with the big line dating all the way back to preseason— it puts way too many eggs into one basket. It has been something I’ve consistently banged on this entire year.

But at this point, I’m not sure you want to break them apart to start tomorrow night. McLellan has decided to go with them into the playoffs and lord knows that locker room doesn’t need any more uncertainty heading into game two. See how the first period rolls and then flip the switch if they don’t get it together.

Forty five minutes of horrible hockey last night from San Jose and they lose on a fluke bounce in the last minute. Probably the only positive I can take from this, but it’s a glimmer of hope nonetheless.

"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution

by Mr. Plank on Apr 15, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Clowe and Thornton

too much big on the first line…plus I’ll mistake the two until the cows come home…:P

"God save us all." - FTF Staff

by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah, it’s easy to tell them apart in the playoffs. Just look for suck and you’ve located Thornton.

by Malurous on Apr 15, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chen, you would know. But aren’t the Sharks 1-4 when losing the first game of a series in San Jose? I can only remember them beating Calgary two years ago in that scenario.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Apr 15, 2010 10:47 AM PDT reply actions  

3-11 in series when losing the first game.

I’m putting together a piece for FTR of Cup finalists that lost their opener. Basically, it’s about 20% of them.

by Mike Chen on Apr 15, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

0% of Anaheim cup finalists — first finals appearance they won their first six games; their cup year win they won their first three.

"Ridin’ The Meat Train & Dreaming of Jack’s Johnson All Summer Long!"
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by Earl Sleek on Apr 15, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

oh, i meant losing the first game in San Jose, as in losing the first game as the higher seed. I looked it up. Sure enough, 1-4, with the Calgary series going to seven games. I was watching the Gamecenter LiVE feed and the announcers, Homer Number One and Homer Number Two, were giving all the stats for upsets, stealing game one, etc.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Apr 15, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also: somebody needs to step up and Corey Perry the goaltender — even if it’s followed by a PK it’ll give him something to think about.

"Ridin’ The Meat Train & Dreaming of Jack’s Johnson All Summer Long!"
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by Earl Sleek on Apr 15, 2010 10:47 AM PDT reply actions  

I’d much rather the Sharks be taking goaltender interference or roughing penalties rather than hooking penalties.

Everything sucks except for the Sharks.
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by Megalodon on Apr 15, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or get Scott Hannan to take bad hooking penalties. That’s his MO.

by Mike Chen on Apr 15, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nichol was seen trying to do that one time when Anderson was having trouble with the puck – he sort of checked him, but the Avs got away with the puck anyway.

One thing that surprised me about last night was a lack of aggression. I was expecting the Sharks to be pissed about the way the game was going, throw a cheap hit on Duchane who’s got bruised ribs, or send one of their small guys head first into the boards or something..

I suppose it was too close and within reach to take stupid penalties, but still.

I comfort myself with the thought that it’s just one game.

Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.

by Ivano M on Apr 15, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also: somebody needs to step up and Corey Perry the goaltender

That’s never a bad idea IMO if not just for the screens. When these Goalies get hot, that’s usually the only chance the other teams have no matter how much better on paper they look.

by Mike in OC on Apr 15, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Craig Anderson led all goaltenders in penalties, I believe. Last time they played the Kings skated through his crease a lot and tapped his skates to get him mad.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Apr 15, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes he did, and yeah, that would start the penalties by him again, but if the sharks can’t figure out the trap, will they actually take the initiative to mess with the goalie?

maybe an internet pipe froze and burst
mwuahaha

by Uziel on Apr 15, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sleek, can we borrow that Scott Nieder-something for a few weeks? You can borrow my PSP in return.

by Mike Chen on Apr 15, 2010 10:54 AM PDT reply actions  

He can start thinking about it now, and he should have an answer for you sometime next month.

"Ridin’ The Meat Train & Dreaming of Jack’s Johnson All Summer Long!"
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by Earl Sleek on Apr 15, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Next Month?

You mean next January right?

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Apr 15, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, though I sense he’s getting slightly better.

Regardless, the time to ask Scott was back in 2009 — it’s way too late now.

"Ridin’ The Meat Train & Dreaming of Jack’s Johnson All Summer Long!"
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by Earl Sleek on Apr 15, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

If I shuffled the lines I'd go with

Marleau-Pavelski-Malhotra

Heatley-Couture-Setoguchi

Clowe-Thornton-Mitchell

Ortmeyer-Nichol-McGinn

This worked when our boys were in a funk before. It made all of our lines dangerous, and it made the big 3 play much better because they felt like they had to earn something. They need to be split up, I just don’t like that group together at all. They just get too damn comfortable and lazy.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Apr 15, 2010 11:06 AM PDT reply actions  

The top 3 lines can be considered 1a-1b-1c

No group should have significantly more minutes than another.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Apr 15, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like the idea, but I think Marleau, Pavelski, and Malhotra are all too similar to have on one line.

Everything sucks except for the Sharks.
http://www.battleofcali.com

by Megalodon on Apr 15, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

But they are badass defensive forwards who can score. I think this line could essentially be our shutdown line…out against top minutes. And that would free up Clowe-Thornton and Couture-Heatley for some playmaking and scoring of their own. I dunno, I really liked these lines when we were using them before Thornton’s injury.

Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!

by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I loved watching that combo when we switched to that. We beat some playoff teams and everybody looked hungry.

I think it’s time.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Apr 15, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’s how I’ve felt the entire year, but again— McLellan decided to roll with HTML going into the playoffs. He needs to stick with that and provide some stability in the locker room.

If they lay an egg in the first twenty, break it up. But at least provide a sense of faith in your team from a coaching standpoint. This shit seems to be more mental than technical at this point.

"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution

by Mr. Plank on Apr 15, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

This shit seems to be more mental than technical at this point.

AGREED

2009-2010 Anaheim Ducks.."Hey at least its not crack!!"

SIR SPADE-IT-CUS!!! crusader against thy heathen spelling nazi's.... defender of people who are commenting at work and dont have the time to spell/grammer check!!!

"Taste thy blade scoundrel..thou shall bleed out your arse"!!

by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 15, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

1000% agreed

I think they need to relax a little to play a beautiful game.

"God save us all." - FTF Staff

by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

“They just get too damn comfortable and lazy.”

Yup. They wind up treating it like a power play, which looks pretty when they’re going but that doesn’t work against an opponent that’s hustling. I like these groups. This supersedes my post!

by Mike Chen on Apr 15, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

what was up with the swing and a miss shots at the puck that don’t clear it outta the defense zone.

Let's go Ducks.

by deb d on Apr 15, 2010 11:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Sorry, Chen and Meg — had to happen.

Sweeeeeeeet.

"Ridin’ The Meat Train & Dreaming of Jack’s Johnson All Summer Long!"
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by Earl Sleek on Apr 15, 2010 12:07 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Totally acceptable considering the circumstances.

by Mike Chen on Apr 15, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plus it may give Kings fans one last thing to smile about today. :)

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 15, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

your style of talking shit has always amused me

2009-2010 Anaheim Ducks.."Hey at least its not crack!!"

SIR SPADE-IT-CUS!!! crusader against thy heathen spelling nazi's.... defender of people who are commenting at work and dont have the time to spell/grammer check!!!

"Taste thy blade scoundrel..thou shall bleed out your arse"!!

by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 15, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

That wasn’t even just a knock, really — just that playoff sucks when you’re in them. Kings fans should be gloating more about Blake’s goof, but the fact that their ass is on the line tonight really makes them pause, I think.

"Ridin’ The Meat Train & Dreaming of Jack’s Johnson All Summer Long!"
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by Earl Sleek on Apr 15, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m just happy to be here, honestly.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Apr 15, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

right attitude to take…instead of the opposite end of the spectrum…as illustrated by this stupid wings fan here:

please don’t shoot anyone after the sweep is complete….the desert dogs will be our first round b**ches just like the blow jackets last year.

2009-2010 Anaheim Ducks.."Hey at least its not crack!!"

SIR SPADE-IT-CUS!!! crusader against thy heathen spelling nazi's.... defender of people who are commenting at work and dont have the time to spell/grammer check!!!

"Taste thy blade scoundrel..thou shall bleed out your arse"!!

by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 15, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

You have a cousin in Detroit?

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Apr 15, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

sounds like brother right? hehe…no I dont..mexicans dont go that far north

2009-2010 Anaheim Ducks.."Hey at least its not crack!!"

SIR SPADE-IT-CUS!!! crusader against thy heathen spelling nazi's.... defender of people who are commenting at work and dont have the time to spell/grammer check!!!

"Taste thy blade scoundrel..thou shall bleed out your arse"!!

by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 15, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure that Spade has ever used an asterisk in his life.

"Ridin’ The Meat Train & Dreaming of Jack’s Johnson All Summer Long!"
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by Earl Sleek on Apr 15, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

or the spellcheck button

2009-2010 Anaheim Ducks.."Hey at least its not crack!!"

SIR SPADE-IT-CUS!!! crusader against thy heathen spelling nazi's.... defender of people who are commenting at work and dont have the time to spell/grammer check!!!

"Taste thy blade scoundrel..thou shall bleed out your arse"!!

by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 15, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

there is a speelcheck button? Nuh huh.

Let's go Ducks.

by deb d on Apr 15, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah it’s an okay consolation sitting back and watching.

Speaking of that, PHX beat the crap out of DET, they were physical. That was nice to see.

by Mike in OC on Apr 15, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m loving how you’re loving this Sleek. It kills me, but I’ll be damned if it doesn’t make me laugh.

"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution

by Mr. Plank on Apr 15, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

On one hand, I’m really kind of torn — I think I do want the Sharks to win and advance. Just not so much when I’m actually watching.

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 15, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s just so much funnier that they don’t. I felt badly for them on the goal, but then they cut to Doug Wilson in the GM box, and I just started laughing out loud. I couldn’t help it. If anyone deserves a Cartman licking, it’s that man.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Apr 15, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doug Wilson may be all cried out.

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 15, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I feel so bad for Wilson, more so than the players. He’s consistently put this team into a position to win and they just float away. A top five GM in the league at this point.

That clip was brutal. “Fuck off!” is what I think he said, and you could just see how absolutely stunned he was at the goal.

"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution

by Mr. Plank on Apr 15, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

His window’s certainly closing. He ships off any more of Tim Burke’s kids, and he may have to look into that youth potion from Earl’s storybook

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Apr 15, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heh, I know what you mean. I’m going into tonight’s game between LA-VAN thinking the same way, but I’m sure by the end of the first shift I’ll be calling for Kopitar’s head.

Can’t say I’ve ever felt that way about the Ducks though. Whether it be jealousy (one of the most successful teams post-lockout, really) or the first round loss last year, I hope they go 0-82. Every. Single. Season.

You’re a better man than I, Sleek. A better man than I.

"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution

by Mr. Plank on Apr 15, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whether it be jealousy (one of the most successful teams post-lockout, really) or the first round loss last year, I hope they go 0-82. Every. Single. Season.

You believe this because you’re a good person who believes in a just world. I see it as a sign of character.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Apr 15, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I’m pretty sure at the point where Anaheim was 0-78 they’d stop showing up. :)

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 15, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

pending free agents would be there. gotta work on those negotiations!

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Apr 15, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I always hope the Ducks somehow lose 100 games in a season.

Everything sucks except for the Sharks.
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by Megalodon on Apr 15, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well…. I hope the Sharks lose a bajillion games a season! Haha, that’s more than 100! I win!

I'm here! I know, I brighten the room. Everything's better.

by brokenyard on Apr 15, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Math – my oldest foe.

Everything sucks except for the Sharks.
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by Megalodon on Apr 15, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’re good, he’s using Disney math

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Apr 15, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope brokenyard loses an eye.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Apr 15, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm here! I know, I brighten the room. Everything's better.

by brokenyard on Apr 15, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

baw… it was a dancing raccoon.

I'm here! I know, I brighten the room. Everything's better.

by brokenyard on Apr 15, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s better that way, given the site name.

by Malurous on Apr 15, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

same here..its like id like them to get the WCF and then lose(so more Boc fun)….but then watching them last nite..I was rooting against them…and slept like a baby after that last goal went in

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 15, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Avs fans approve of this picture.

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 15, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Try to cycle it up a bit, though — I’d like to get a collection going.

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 15, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

If only I could give you a picture of the Jersey Shore-worthy douche bag behind me last night. During the opening intro, he just kept yelling “OHHHHHHH MY GOD!!!! DUUUUUUUUDE!!!! THIS IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO AWESOME!!!!!! DUUUUUUUUUUDE!!!”

I kept thinking: It’s the first game of the first round. You haven’t watched the Sharks long, have you?

by Mike Chen on Apr 15, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I imagine he looks like Dion Phaneuf.

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 15, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hahahahaha

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Apr 15, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

See my primer on beating the god damn neutral zone trap

really needs to be a tag for this.

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by Lurker Shark on Apr 15, 2010 9:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Wait, Mike wrote a primer?

"Ridin’ The Meat Train & Dreaming of Jack’s Johnson All Summer Long!"
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by Earl Sleek on Apr 15, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure.

He wasn’t very clear on that.

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by Lurker Shark on Apr 15, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

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