How much is Bobby Ryan worth?

by jamestobrien on May 25, 2010 7:43 PM PDT

Hey there old BoC chums, I've been writing for NBC at Pro Hockey Talk for the last few months. On occasion, I'll have the opportunity to write about the Anaheim Ducks (probably more in about three weeks, right?).

Take, for instance, tonight. I put together a post regarding the team's renewed negotiations with one Bobby Ryan. I'd love it if you voted in the "how much is he worth?" poll and provided feedback on the post in general. And, really, feel free to take a spin around PHT while you're at it. We run Live Chats during NBC games and try to provide a nice cross-section of content for hockey nerds and novices alike.

(If it helps, I'm not the only one who writes there. We also have DefendingBigD founder Brandon Worley and Joe Yerdon from Gross Misconduct Hockey. Two out of three ain't bad, right?)

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$5.325 M over 5 years, or whatever that Getzlaf/Perry contract is.

He’s probably worth more, but I’m too lazy to negotiate something different. Just sign it, kid.

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by Earl Sleek on May 25, 2010 9:05 PM PDT reply actions

Only in pro sports can someone say “You’re offering me $5 million? You cheap son of a bitch.”

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by brokenyard on May 26, 2010 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions

that puts him right around Kessel money, which isn’t a bad comparison, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with asking him to come in under Getzlaf/Perry money. That’s the advantage of having an affordable contract for an alternate captain on the books, I always thought.

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by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on May 26, 2010 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions

This is something

the folks at Anaheim Calling have discussed and debated several times. And I’m afraid we’re still no closer to consensus :-(

by PhantomPretender on May 25, 2010 9:33 PM PDT reply actions

to me hes a perry clone (offensive talent wise…not douchery wise)….pay the man what perry is making…or a little more if it will make him…dont fuck this up ducks management..this is a no brainer…hes only at the tip of the iceberg

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on May 26, 2010 5:01 AM PDT reply actions

i think heis better than Perry Spade.

There have been a lot of times last season I felt he was better than Getlaf. And he gets it done no matter who you put him on a line with. Good thing i’m not his agent.

it comes down to two things, his agent,and his ego.

by Mike in OC on May 27, 2010 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions

btw. I think it will be in the 5.5-5.75 range. i voted other.

by Mike in OC on May 27, 2010 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions

its debatable if he is or not..but the point is hes at least “as good” we can all agree on that…so he should get paid as much…

but i agree it comes down to ego and the agent…but as long as it happens thats all that matters

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on May 27, 2010 6:13 AM PDT up reply actions

but as long as it happens thats all that matters

very true

by Mike in OC on May 27, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions

Yeah, I can’t quibble too much on price — if it’s near enough, I don’t give too much a shit; ain’t my money.

But as for this:

There have been a lot of times last season I felt he was better than Getlaf.

I thought that more two seasons ago than last year — maybe some sophomore slump hit the kid, but he wasn’t carrying others to the same degree as in year one (the season, not the movie).

He might be able to argue that he’s as talented as the others, perhaps, but Getzlaf and Perry both signed their extensions as guys who had won 6 playoff rounds and a Stanley Cup; Bobby Ryan has won only one round (though he was absolutely necessary for it to happen).

I dunno — so long as it’s pre-July 1st, I’ll be really happy. Even afterwards, we’re probably OK, but I’d rather set the terms ourselves than let an outside party do it.

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by Earl Sleek on May 27, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions

No more than $4.5 million a year.

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by Natesaduck on May 26, 2010 10:40 AM PDT reply actions

I don't think it will be that low

I’d be really surprised if it ended up under 5. At 4.5, he’d probably laugh and wait for the offer sheets to start coming in.

by PhantomPretender on May 27, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions

You’re probably right, but right now I just don’t see him being worth more than that.

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by Natesaduck on May 27, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions

Because… ?

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by Earl Sleek on May 27, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions

There are a variety of reasons. One of which is his playoff performance. He played well for a good part of the shark series, but after that he pretty much disappeared. Along with that, he still has a lot to prove. I think he regressed a bit this season after exploding in his rookie season. I also don’t think he played to his strengths this season. He had a lot of missed or blocked shots that killed the current offensive rush and ended up having the play go the other way.

Bottom line is that he’s got potential to be great, but if he plays like he did this season, I question whether he reaches that potential.

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by Natesaduck on May 27, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions

Sure, but I think he was severely hobbled at the end of the Sharks series — I can give him a pass for playing hurt; there’s a much bigger sample size of a productive Bobby Ryan.

He probably regressed a bit, but he was still often a cog on our most productive line. And I think our expectation probably grew a bit too big — I wouldn’t call year two a disappointment, though.

But bottom-line, we’re talking about salary here, and opinion is only one factor. One — he has statistics that earn dollars. Two — he has RFA leverage. Three — there are comparable players being paid well. Supply-Demand-Copy Economics; Bobby Ryan isn’t hurting on any of these fronts.

He has the potential to earn a lot, I think — hopefully he’s level-headed about it and follows the Getz/Perry path.

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by Earl Sleek on May 27, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions

And I guess it’s also worth saying — Bobby Ryan has played TONS more top-line minutes in his first two full years than Getzlaf and Perry ever did. They hardly ever saw top defenders at all.

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by Earl Sleek on May 27, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions

True, but I don’t think statistics tell the whole story here. You can compare him all you want to whoever you want, I don’t think that will have any affect on his salary. If that were the case, everyone could be paid as much as Chris Drury or Wade Redden.

At any rate, I wouldn’t be surprised if B-Ry received a contract much like Getz’s or Perry’s. But at the same time, you have to look at the message that sends. Is Ryan as good as Getz? I don’t think so. Perry? That’s debatable. One thing’s for sure, Getz and Perry are under a HUGE contract bargain. And rightfully so because at the time of their contracts, they also had some things to prove. And I think they’ve proved they’re elite players in this league. On that same token, they had already proved more than Ryan has, at that point in their careers. Is Ryan an elite player right now? I don’t think so. So why pay him like one? Will he ever be? I think there’s a good chance. But until he’s proved he can play to that level, why pay him like he already has? I think $4.5 is plenty for the level of play that he currently provides.

On another note, the talks are that Ryan won’t get a long-term deal. So I think we might see something like a 2 year, $9 million deal.

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by Natesaduck on May 27, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions

I haven’t followed negotiations very well (I’ve sort of been avoiding any Ducks news these playoffs), but stats and comparables should be very in Ryan’s favor — by Calder voting, he was the best skater-rookie his first year, and the dropoff hasn’t been serious enough for me to say he has no more potential.

And I’m comfortable stating that I think he has been elite for very long stretches — I picked him as the team MVP in 2008-09. That season he was able to outscore away from Getzlaf and Perry better than they were able to outscore without B-Ry. Last January I wrote a piece that showed how B-Ry was making excellent lines out of both Getzlaf-Perry and Koivu-Sexton; none of those players did nearly as well without him.

I guess I see your point about “Is that the right message?”, but that’s not going to carry in the negotiating room — and that’s not going to be a factor that dissuades other teams from poaching the kid if possible. Not to be too insensitive, but it’s really an irrelevant point as it relates to the market mechanics that will dictate Ryan’s next salary. He has talent, potential, leverage, and interest — message-sending is way way below these considerations.

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by Earl Sleek on May 28, 2010 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions

Fair enough. I suppose we’ll have to wait a couple days to see what the negotiations result in.

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by Natesaduck on May 28, 2010 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions

you pay the man…its hard to find skilled players with size these days…u take it and run….hope his isnt too inflated

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on May 28, 2010 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions

*head

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on May 28, 2010 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions

I gotta agree with Earl

That there’s more than enough evidence to suggest that Bobby is that good. He was on fire in the San Jose series and his hip injury really limited him in the Detroit series. It sucks, but I also thing you can’t just say he disappeared in the playoffs without recognizing that.

The other factor that people seem to overlook is that unlike Getz and Perry who benefitted from always playing together if the other was available , Bobby played all over the damn place this year. As Earl points out, he was successful on several lines. He scored more goals and had more points this year. Yes, he didn’t sustain his pace from last year, but people are also aware of his now. Look what happened with Sexton. Dude came up and set the world on fire in the first few weeks. But as teams adjusted and learned to cover him, his production disappeared. Yet with Bobby, he still managed to score more goals and be a powerful threat on the PP, even when he was only on the second unit.

I’m a newish fan, so I think I’m biased toward Bobby. Perry and Getz are good, but so is Bobby. I don’t see how they get so much credit while people are questioning whether or not Bobby deserves to be similarly paid.

by PhantomPretender on May 28, 2010 7:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions

Bobby is for real. He was runer up for goal of the year on his hat trick spin o rama goal against the King in his rookie year. It’s not just the goals either, it’s the way he scores them, gets open ,sees the ice. He is only going to get better. 4.5 mil was top dollar when Getz signed. 4.5 mil today is not the same, it seems more like 5.75 – 6 mil from the climate back then.

Whatever happens, i’m just glad Lowe thought Bobby was questionable and went for Penner.

by Mike in OC on May 28, 2010 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions

Interesting points from all. Full disclosure, I’m very pro-Bobby.

Just to keep all of our young boys egos in check, I think he should be given a contract in the same range as Getzlaf and Perry. I can’t imagine Getzlaf and Perry being too pleased if BR is offered a shorter term deal for more money. We’ve got to keep things even for when Getz and Perry’s contract come up for negotiations in a few years.

I won’t go as far as saying that Bobby is better than Getz and/or Perry because Bobby has only been playing with the big club for two seasons. Granted, the two seasons have been pretty spectacular, offensive wise, but he’s still got a lot to work on – defense being one thing and quality shots being another. He’s not near his prime and I want him with the Ducks when he gets there.

And Earl, really? We miss you at AC :)

I’ve sort of been avoiding any Ducks news these playoffs

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by Jen Neale on May 30, 2010 2:32 PM PDT reply actions

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