Democracy Just Doesn't Work
The polls are closed, and with over fifty voters choosing up to five teams to list as their favorites and five more to list as their least favorites, we have our results. The Excel graphs (Can you taste the blogging excitement?) can be found after the jump below.
Polling process: The results were weighted based on positioning - the teams mentioned first for like or dislike each got three points, then two points for second and one point for each of the others that were listed.
BoC teams: The purpose of this poll wasn't really to have a competition between fans of the BoC teams and see who could get the most votes, so it doesn't really matter to me which order the Sharks, Kings, and Ducks were in for Most Liked. I was more interested in 1) The other teams that our readers enjoy and 2) Which teams were the most disliked. In these regards, we got some awesome data - thanks to everyone who voted, except for that one guy who liked Dallas the most.
Sharks: San Jose gets a lot of love, but also a fair amount of dislike. I did notice that the Sharks were very rarely anyone's second-through-fifth favorite team. It seemed that our readers were, for the most part, either Sharks fans or disliked the Sharks.
Kings: The Kings didn't inspire a lot of votes either way - they definitely don't garner the same hate as the Ducks did in the BoC. I know that for myself, as a Sharks fan, there isn't much to dislike about the Kings - in fact they're one of my other favorite teams. You can do it, little guys!
Ducks: The Ducks get a lot of hatred, and it really isn't that difficult to figure out why. First, winning the Cup before either of your older brother California teams was really rude, guys. For shame. Not cool. Second, employing guys like Chris Pronger and Corey Perry isn't going to win you many friends. And finally, I know I've personally never forgiven the team for dropping the Mighty.
Most shocking discovery: I was blown away that there isn't more hate for the Avalanche out there. They only got 6 hate points.
Least shocking revelation: Everybody hates the Red Wings.
Tastes like taint: I mentioned this survey on the SBNation Sharks blog Fear the Fin, which probably helped inflate the Sharks' numbers a bit. I did check the voters to make sure they had joined BoC before June 1st, however, before I counted their votes. The results we have should be fairly representative of typical BoC readers, meaning drunk and belligerent.
Teams nobody likes: Every NHL team got at least one vote from our readers as one of their most-liked. The teams with the fewest positive mentions were the Flames and the Senators.
Popular teams: After the obvious choices this list of most-liked gets a lot more interesting. Lots of people apparently share my love for the Sabres (Mr. Charisma Ryan Miller probably has a lot to do with that). The Coyotes got a ton of positivity from our readers, somewhat surprising for a Pacific rival - the trend here was for Ducks fans to pick the Coyotes second or third because of Bryzgalov, which is a pretty good reason. There was also a fair amount of support for the Flyers, and most people gave reasons aside from "they need to beat the Blackhawks" so this is probably legitimate rather than temporary.
Teams nobody hates: Thrashers, Blue Jackets, Lightning, and Maple Leafs all had no specific mentions for dislike. Rudy and a couple other people did mention disliking Canadian teams in general, though.
Hated teams: The Red Wings ran away with this one, with 9 out of 10 voters mentioning them as a hated team, and almost everybody picking them as their number 1. I was happy to see the Stars get some scorn too, even though they suck now. The Penguins are strongly disliked, though it would be interesting to see what the numbers would be like without Crosby on the team. And how many people would have mentioned the Blackhawks if it wasn't for this post-season?
This was a lot of fun and a tremendous waste of time. Once again, thanks to everyone* for participating - it was really interesting to see what other teams people support and what everyone's reasons were. If you haven't yet, do yourself a favor and read through the lists in the comments of the last post - there's some hillarious and fascinating stuff going on there.
Go hockey!
* = except, of course, for the guy who picked the Stars as his favorite team.
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With all the “+100s” that he got he would have screwed up the graphs. He’d be better placed up against things like “AIDS” and “Hitler” for most-hated.
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Improper grammar. “Why is Brian Hayward rank?” is the correct grammar.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jun 2, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
except, of course, for the guy who picked the Stars as his favorite team
that guy needs to be drawn and quarted
fascinating stuff..though meg…good job on it…no earl input in the comments kinds sucked..where is our fearless leader?
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 2, 2010 2:09 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah I made sure to include a favorite vote for the Ducks and some dislike for the Sharks and Kings in his honor.
They call me Patrick Marleau, P.I.
Battle of California
except for that one guy who liked Dallas the most
Meg, if you’re referring to Patty (in Dallas), then it’s “gal,” not “guy.” You of all bloggers should be careful of making assumptions about gender. ;)
Apologies (and a wave hello!) to Patty if she wanted to remain incognito.
There are no girls on the internet.
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by Evilducks on Jun 2, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Isn’t that a law of physics?
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jun 2, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
o yes there are…and they a lot of naughty things….huuurrrah
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 3, 2010 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m very surprised that the Oilers didn’t get more hate. I hate them! Didn’t see the poll before now though, so I didn’t vote.
Good work, Meg. Interesting stuff :)
Oh and one more thing
Don’t think you got away with posting the “most liked” teams in Sharks teal and the “most hated” teams in Ducks orange. Not cool, dude. Not cool. ;)
All my Excel graphs are in Sharks teal and orange.
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Ah okay, hehe. I thought it was very subliminal. I check in here a few times a week, but mostly to read the stories I’m not too active here which is why I didn’t notice.
he changes the colors to black gold and orange when no one is looking…somthing anyone can do in excel
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 2, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
teal…pussy for blue
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 2, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I would have thought you would LOVE teal then … ;)
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i dont mean the best thing ever in the world….I mean…pussy in the wussy-wimpy reference
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 2, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Oilers only got 5 hate points that I counted, which was surprising. There was also generalized Canada-hate from a few people.
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interesting
might be worth seeing where everyone at NM stands at some point….. i’ll be sure to reference this post though.
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That would be awesome – I’d love to see this kind of thing repeated on other blogs.
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just like how last summer several blogs were trying to figure out who were their worst rivals in each division…..
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20th birthday? Check. Canucks still in playoffs? Nope. Damn, maybe next year....
draft is ready....
…. but i’ll save it for tomorrow. there were canucks signings this morning, and there’s still the game tonight, so NM has been too busy today.
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20th birthday? Check. Canucks still in playoffs? Nope. Damn, maybe next year....
and it’s now posted. go see what they end up saying….
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Still waiting for the Stanley Cup to go to the Canucks.....
I would be SHOCKED if there was no mention of Leafs in the ‘dislike’ column at NM.
Leafs Nation: A drinking team with a hockey problem.
nucksandpucks is a Canucks fan in Toronto, it will be there.
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20th birthday? Check. Canucks still in playoffs? Nope. Damn, maybe next year....
Teams nobody hates: Thrashers, Blue Jackets, Lightning, and Maple Leafs all had no specific mentions for dislike. Rudy and a couple other people did mention disliking Canadian teams in general, though.
Come to Canada. You’ll find a few.
by kbs on Jun 3, 2010 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions
- you missed the “at NM” part. (NM = Nucks Misconduct, the Canucks blog, fyi)
- his support for the Leafs is visible in his sig.
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Still waiting for the Stanley Cup to go to the Canucks.....
Yea. And everyone loves the Senators so much. So much that there’s more Leafs fans at Leafs-Sens games.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 3, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d assume Devils hatred would be much greater at NM (despite our common hatred of the Rangers)
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 3, 2010 5:36 AM PDT up reply actions
very cool results … and as mentioned above, would be cool to see how other sites would do with this as well.
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you’re wrong … :)
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RIGHT
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
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by mssjsclowie29 on Jun 2, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
thats not accurate
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 2, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Science just proved this.
Yes, Science.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jun 2, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
science is for losers
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 2, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions

"The Big Pavelski" sounds like something you'd name your cock.
by brokenyard on Jun 2, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Science doesn’t require Grammar or spelling. It’s perfect for you Spade
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 2, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
it requires math…and thinking…..no to science…..im all about being a crash test dummie
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 3, 2010 5:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Just stay away from Physics then
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 3, 2010 5:33 AM PDT up reply actions
just realized your a devils fan…I got a serious question..and not trying to be funny or an ass….is there resentment for scotty coming to our team?…or were u guys over scotty by the time he came to us?
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 3, 2010 5:45 AM PDT up reply actions
No. All ill will about Scotty going to Anaheim was forgotten after Scott Gomez went and signed with the Rangers. It’s one thing to take a discount to play with your brother (nothing really), but it’s another to sign for big money with your most hated rivals.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 3, 2010 5:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Once there was this girl who
Wouldn’t go and change with the girls in the change room
But when they finally made her
They saw birthmarks all over her body
She couldn’t quite explain it
They’d always just been there
Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm
Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm
Amo la manera una haba y el burrito del queso siente alrededor de mi pene.
i have that album somewhere tee-hee
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 3, 2010 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Everybody loves the Sharks
“Hmmmm. That’s a tough one. Let’s go to the board to find out what our….SURVEY SAID!!!!"
“Oh, so sorry. That’s 3 strikes which means you’re done playing the Feud today. But as a lovely parting gift, please take with you this lovely Battle of California Home Enima Kit and industrial sized jar of Drew Remenda’s Skull-shine oil! Thanks for playing…”
and on the 93rd postseason of the National Hockey League, the Slovakian-hockeygod Zeus commanded from high atop Mount Figueroa..."RELEASE THE MEAT TRAIN!" And it was good.
by DodgerBlueBalls on Jun 2, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
that buzzer sound would never be louder!! rec’d!!
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 2, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Uh … survey was taken and showed Sharks are loved!! your survey of one is faulty … ha! … :)
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Whoo thanks Megaman!
it was a lot of fun reading what other people’s rankings were and I’m sure it was such a pain to put this together :) I’m just stoked that the Sharks came out numba one!!
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Aw....
Don’t be so open-minded, your brains will fall out.
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- Anonymous
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by mssjsclowie29 on Jun 2, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Good to see BoC isn’t full of Devils haters (or Flyers/Rangers fans).
That and Rudy became less cooler because he dissed Canada
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 2, 2010 4:51 PM PDT reply actions
I used to love the Devils
Then the strike happened… Oops… And how can anybody like the Pens? That’s like cheering for cancer…
Everyone needs to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer.
I’ll only cheer for them if it’s the Rangers, Flyers or Canadiens. Even then, that’s if a Meteor doesn’t hit the arena
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 2, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
im a flyer supporter….2-1 baby…take them to the promise land prongs!!
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 3, 2010 5:24 AM PDT up reply actions
* = except, of course, for the guy who picked the Stars as his favorite team.
Stop saying “the guy who picked the Stars”! I’m a girl!
Good job on the poll, though. I found it fascinating.
by Patty (in Dallas) on Jun 2, 2010 5:01 PM PDT reply actions
So “Patty”= Patricia then?
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 2, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Not technically, but essentially. It’s just Patty, but it certainly doesn’t equal Patrick.
by Patty (in Dallas) on Jun 2, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I stand corrected, but still aghast at your support of the Stars.
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you’re brave coming here … or you like to torture yourself … in which case you belong here … ha!
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I’ve been around for years, just don’t comment too much. I know my place as a Stars fan. :P
by Patty (in Dallas) on Jun 2, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Any chance you can inform other Stars fans of 'their place'
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by Evilducks on Jun 2, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
careful … they may decide we are getting a bit uppity … :)
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"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
"It's getting harder and harder to differentiate between schizophrenics and people talking on a cell phone. It still brings me up short to walk by somebody who appears to be talking to themselves." -- Bob Newhart
ha! rec’d
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 3, 2010 5:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm a Stars fan.
I come here because I enjoy this blog. Is that so hard to believe? :P
Here's to all us girls who love hockey...and the men who play it.
by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Jun 3, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
just that your a stars fan..not that you read this blog..
glad you do though!!
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 3, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
All the Red Wings hate makes all the Stars hate easier to take. :D
by Patty (in Dallas) on Jun 2, 2010 5:02 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah I found that shocking as well. I definitely hate the Stars more.
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it’s cause we have to deal with you
(joke cause you seem the sensitive type)
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just for those that take my comments seriously … :)
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
"It's getting harder and harder to differentiate between schizophrenics and people talking on a cell phone. It still brings me up short to walk by somebody who appears to be talking to themselves." -- Bob Newhart
I didn’t know anyone took Sharks fans seriously.
by yankeeken on Jun 2, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 3, 2010 5:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree.
The Stars are far more accomplished than the Ducks. How can the hatred be more for Anaheim?
Well, not only did Dallas steal a team from a perfectly good set of hockey fans, they later stole a cup too… It’s fairly hate worthy.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
It was more they were given the cup. Damn that makes it worse…Fuck the Stars!
by Steven Hida on Jun 3, 2010 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
are you saying you want to be hated more?
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
"It's getting harder and harder to differentiate between schizophrenics and people talking on a cell phone. It still brings me up short to walk by somebody who appears to be talking to themselves." -- Bob Newhart
They love having Ott on their team
Being hated is certainly a goal
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
anyone wondering why everyone hates dallas…start reading here…
more accomplished…pssst…
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 3, 2010 5:28 AM PDT up reply actions
And finally, I know I’ve personally never forgiven the team for dropping the Mighty.
I KNOW!!!
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EARL returns from his pilgramage from mecca
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 3, 2010 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Really great idea Meg. This is some interesting stuff. I never knew the Stars were that hated. Good to know that I’m not alone on that one. I’m also surpirised that the Penguins ranked above the Kings in BOC hatred. We don’t really have to deal with the Penguins in the Pacific division, but I guess having the NHL constantly trying to jam Crosby down our throats cock first has taken its toll.
Once again, great article and great idea.
jam Crosby down our throats cock first has taken its toll.
TEE-HEE
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 3, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I liked all of the Stars hate. It’s nice to know that people still care about us despite all of our mediocrity and Marc Crawford’s hair. :P
Here's to all us girls who love hockey...and the men who play it.
by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Jun 3, 2010 2:01 PM PDT reply actions
Marc Crawford is getting you a brand new form of hate
From Kings fans.
It’s like Sharks fans new hate of Toronto.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
I’m no fan of his, either. To put it mildly.
by Patty (in Dallas) on Jun 4, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
What happened to the Oilers?
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