BoC and Roster Spending
Hey gang, sorry for the absence but I've been fighting the stuffy head demon a few days now. As such, you should probably not treat anything presented in this post as "fact" -- especially when we're talking salary calculations it's a tricky gig.
For instance, here's a chart I put together of historical roster spending for the Ducks, Kings, and Sharks, but I do want to re-emphasize: there are tons of errors here. I pulled from a mixed bag of sources and I promise that I did not spend more than an hour in creating it, so really it's only good for broad observations. In the postlockout portion of the graph I've intended to capture "cash" spending (rather than "cap" spending), for what it's worth -- still I expect it's only vaguely correct.

WARNING: This chart is best examined from across the room.
All three teams over the past decade have spent some seasons as above-average spenders, balanced against years of relative frugality. You can see the league's salary rollback effect in 2005-06 (thanks, you crazy lockout!), and the immediate re-ascent of salaries since. My numbers may be shaky, but it looks as if all three BoC teams each spent more in 2009-10 than ever before.
Now I'm not really sure if that's true -- there is also some CBA mechanism that overrides the last five seasons which says that salaries are "fixed" to league revenues. That is to say, that if 30 teams collectively commit to more salary than the revenue percentage allows, then each player would receive only a portion of their negotiated salary; some of it gets redistributed back to the teams through an escrow account. It's a safety valve built into the CBA (a document I'm entirely too lazy to read, so please fact-correct me whenever you can today), but I'm not sure that it really protects BoC teams -- per my loose understanding, any excess in the escrow account goes only to revenue-sharing-eligible teams. BoC teams may still be spending full contract value on players, regardless of league overspending habits.
So basically, it's tough to guess what the BoC teams are spending next year -- it's possible we see a decline from at least one of the teams. Regardless, I've got summer-starting salary charts after the jump, courtesy of CapGeek.
These tables show who is signed for next year and for how much/how long; let me know if I've neglected anybody important and I can update. I've included cap hit, cash salary, potential bonus amount, and years remaining, though the bonus column is pretty much only important in the case of Drew Doughty.
Let's take a look -- here's Anaheim:
| Cap | Cash | Bonus Incl. | Years | Cap | Cash | Bonus Incl. | Years | |||
| Perry, Corey | $5.3 | $5.4 | $0.0 | 3 - UFA | Visnovsky, Lubomir | $5.6 | $6.0 | $0.0 | 3 - UFA | |
| Getzlaf, Ryan | $5.3 | $5.1 | $0.0 | 3 - UFA | Eminger, Steve | $1.1 | $1.5 | $0.0 | 1 - UFA | |
| Lupul, Joffrey | $4.3 | $4.3 | $0.0 | 3 - UFA | Sbisa, Luca | $0.9 | $0.9 | $0.0 | 1 - RFA | |
| Blake, Jason | $4.0 | $3.0 | $0.0 | 2 - UFA | Brookbank, Sheldon | $0.8 | $0.7 | $0.0 | 2 - UFA | |
| Marchant, Todd | $1.1 | $1.3 | $0.0 | 1 - UFA | Oystrick, Nathan | $0.6 | $0.6 | $0.0 | 1 - UFA | |
| Parros, George | $0.9 | $0.9 | $0.0 | 2 - UFA | Festerling, Brett |
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| Bonino, Nick | $0.9 | $0.9 | $0.2 | 1 - RFA | ||||||
| Sexton, Dan | $0.8 | $0.8 | $0.2 | 1 - RFA | Hiller, Jonas | $4.5 | $4.5 | $0.0 | 4 - UFA | |
| Beleskey, Matt | $0.7 | $0.7 | $0.1 | 1 - RFA | McElhinney, Curtis | $0.5 | $0.6 | $0.0 | 1 -UFA | |
| Carter, Ryan | $0.6 | $0.7 | $0.0 | 1 - UFA | ||||||
| Brown, Mike | $0.5 | $0.6 | $0.0 | 1 - RFA | ||||||
| Bodie, Troy | $0.5 | $0.5 | $0.0 | 1 - RFA | 12 F, 6 D, 2 G | $39.3 | $39.2 | $0.4 |
Key RFAs: Bobby Ryan, James Wisniewski, Kyle Chipchura, Brendan Mikkelson
Key UFAs: Scott Niedermayer, Saku Koivu, Teemu Selanne, Aaron Ward
The Ducks seem relatively set to spend money, but there's way more depth players inked here than difference-makers; Anaheim may have to deal away some excess bottom-sixers this summer. A lot of salary will immediately go to Ryan and Wisniewski, and just like every summer, we'll have to wait and see on what Niedermayer and Selanne want to do (and for how much), and now Saku Koivu, as well.
Regardless, it seems that whatever dollars the Ducks do have should be spent on top-six forwards and top-four defensemen; they've got the bottom end pretty well filled out. Even so, will the Ducks essentially be putting all their offseason money into re-creating last year's team, and if so, can it yield better results?
| Cap | Cash | Bonus Incl. | Years | Cap | Cash | Bonus Incl. | Years | |||
| Kopitar, Anze | $6.8 | $6.0 | $0.0 | 6 - UFA | Doughty, Drew | $3.5 | $3.5 | $2.6 | 1 - RFA | |
| Smyth, Ryan | $6.3 | $5.5 | $0.0 | 2 - UFA | Scuderi, Rob | $3.4 | $3.4 | $0.0 | 3 - UFA | |
| Handzus, Michal | $4.0 | $4.0 | $0.0 | 1 - UFA | Greene, Matt | $3.0 | $2.8 | $0.0 | 4 - UFA | |
| Stoll, Jarret | $3.6 | $3.4 | $0.0 | 2 - UFA | Johnson, Jack | $1.4 | $1.7 | $0.0 | 1 - RFA | |
| Williams, Justin | $3.5 | $3.5 | $0.0 | 1 - UFA | Drewiske, Davis | $0.6 | $0.6 | $0.0 | 3 - UFA | |
| Brown, Dustin | $3.2 | $3.5 | $0.0 | 4 - UFA | Harrold, Peter | $0.6 | $0.6 | $0.0 | 1 - UFA | |
| Parse, Scott | $0.9 | $0.9 | $0.0 | 2 - UFA | ||||||
| Moller, Oscar | $0.9 | $0.9 | $0.2 | 1 - RFA | Quick, Jonathan | $1.8 | $1.9 | $0.0 | 3 - UFA | |
| Simmonds, Wayne | $0.8 | $0.8 | $0.2 | 1 - RFA | Ersberg, Erik | $0.8 | $0.8 | $0.0 | 1 - UFA | |
| 9 F, 6 D, 2 G | $44.9 | $43.5 | $3.1 |
Key RFAs: Brad Richardson, Richard Clune
Key UFAs: Fredrik Modin, Alexander Frolov, Randy Jones, Jeff Halpern, Sean O'Donnell, Raitis Ivanans
The Kings come in at a surprisingly high price tag, but $2.6M of that is hidden in unclear bonus clauses in Drew Doughty's contract -- if the Kings do intend on spending to the cap, that will hinder them at the start of the year, at least. But maybe it brings into question how loudly Kings fans beat the "Drew Doughty for Norris" drum this coming year -- that could tangibly cost the team, I'd guess.
Still, compared to the Ducks, the Kings have a much more complete team -- way more top-six forwards and top-four defensemen under contract than Anaheim currently has. I really neglected to put Jonathan Bernier up there -- he probably is playing in net over Ersberg, I'd guess, but the dollar difference is minimal. Bernier's got one more year until he's an RFA.
How much do the Kings intend on spending next year? Could they lure a top free agent to really put them over the top?
| Cap | Cash | Bonus Incl. | Years | Cap | Cash | Bonus Incl. | Years | |||
| Heatley, Dany | $7.5 | $8.0 | $0.0 | 4 - UFA | Boyle, Dan | $6.7 | $6.7 | $0.0 | 4 - UFA | |
| Thornton, Joe | $7.2 | $7.2 | $0.0 | 1 - UFA | Vlasic, Marc-Edouard | $3.1 | $2.8 | $0.0 | 3 - UFA | |
| Clowe, Ryane | $3.6 | $3.5 | $0.0 | 3 - UFA | Murray, Douglas | $2.5 | $2.5 | $0.0 | 3 - UFA | |
| Mitchell, Torrey | $1.4 | $1.4 | $0.0 | 2 - UFA | Huskins, Kent | $1.7 | $1.9 | $0.0 | 1 - UFA | |
| Couture, Logan | $1.2 | $1.3 | $0.4 | 2 - RFA | Demers, Jason | $0.5 | $0.6 | $0.0 | 1 - RFA | |
| McGinn, Jamie | $1.0 | $0.9 | $0.3 | 1 - RFA | ||||||
| McLaren, Frazer | $0.5 | $0.6 | $0.0 | 1 - RFA | Greiss, Thomas | $0.6 | $0.6 | $0.0 | 1 - RFA | |
| 7 F, 5 D, 1 G | $37.5 | $37.9 | $0.7 |
Key RFAs: Joe Pavelski, Devin Setoguchi
Key UFAs: Patrick Marleau, Evgeni Nabokov, Rob Blake, Niclas Wallin, Scott Nichol, Manny Malhotra, Jed Ortmeyer
The Sharks are in a weird mess -- they've got less committed to, dollar-wise, than the Kings or Ducks, but a lot of the roster to fill out, and with so many important names in payday limbo it seems impossible to fully re-create last year's team. There are certainly cap-cheating tricks that the Sharks could employ, but can San Jose really afford to overspend the salary cap?
What may be just as critical as the big-dollar signings are the small-dollar ones, though -- can the Sharks get Nichol and Malhotra inked to bargain deals again, or find similar cheap experience again this summer?
And who is going to play goalie? If it's not Nabokov, that may prove to be the BoC story of the summer.
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I think I'm too sick to make any sensible conclusions today, but at least we have a nice starting BoC overview or something. Let's see what the summertime brings in.
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wonder if sbisa is gonna get a closer look this year?…
go july 1st…(nieds and selanne supposed deadline)…so we can know what the fuck is gonna happen
the fact niemi and leighton are in the finals…what does say about nabby?
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 3, 2010 11:15 AM PDT reply actions
the fact niemi and leighton are in the finals…what does say about nabby?
Not that much, I think — hot goalies make a big difference in short series, and they can come from anywhere. Doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t play the odds.
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never tell me the odds!!!….ok…sorry rudy..we wont start that again
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 3, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
FWIW, Murray gave them both until the draft, which is June 25.
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I think that’s worth something, I guess, but if either guy told me that he wanted more time on draft day, I’d give it to them then, too.
Whatever — so long as we don’t close the door on any under-market player, that’s cool by me.
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I wouldn’t take it. Our action (or lack thereof) on Draft Day depends solely on what combination of these two will hit the ice in September. If Scotty doesn’t come back, I see us trading one of our 1st rounders for a defensive stud for example.
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If it’s a stud, then we’re probably talking about the good pick. And I doubt it by itself lands us a Niedermayer.
Sure, it’s a good plan B, but I wouldn’t be so hurried to rule out plan A. It’s not like there’s a game the day after the entry draft or anything.
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Yeah, I can see giving them more time. But I do think the line has to be drawn somewhere. There should be some sort of deadline. That season we played half the season without them was rough. It was like we had them on the roster, without the benefit of actually having them play.
Well, it was rough, but I wasn’t against it then, and I probably wouldn’t be against it now (the NHL, on the other hand, might be against it now).
Here’s the thing — it’s an amazing cap cheat if you can make the playoffs and pick up difference-makers for part-season-salaries along the way. If we could somehow again get Scotty to unretire next December, say, and Teemu next February (just to stick to old patterns), then we in theory would get fresher players for the postseason plus a more expensive team come April than we could afford for an entire season.
In theory, it works out great. In practice, we have the 2008 playoff dud.
But generally, yeah, I expect they’ll both abide by the draft day thing, mostly because they said so. Even so, I’m a pushover — it’s not often that hall-of-famers don’t negotiate with 29 other teams, and I wouldn’t be in any haste to throw that away.
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Well, it was rough, but I wasn’t against it then, and I probably wouldn’t be against it now (the NHL, on the other hand, might be against it now).
Here’s the thing — it’s an amazing cap cheat if you can make the playoffs and pick up difference-makers for part-season-salaries along the way. If we could somehow again get Scotty to unretire next December, say, and Teemu next February (just to stick to old patterns), then we in theory would get fresher players for the postseason plus a more expensive team come April than we could afford for an entire season.
In theory, it works out great. In practice, we have the 2008 playoff dud.
But generally, yeah, I expect they’ll both abide by the draft day thing, mostly because they said so. Even so, I’m a pushover — it’s not often that hall-of-famers don’t negotiate with 29 other teams, and I wouldn’t be in any haste to throw that away.
I guess I didn’t realize it was a cap cheat. Shit, that’s not that bad then. I do wonder who would replace them if they left though. This would probably totally screw us in the long run, but we could sign Frolov and Marleau just to piss off our rivals.
can the Sharks get Nichol and Malhotra inked to bargain deals again
if its not them..they get similar type player to do it
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 3, 2010 11:18 AM PDT reply actions
No, it seems more likely they’ll trade for a high priced Winger or something.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 3, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s going to be tough, I’d think — those guys were big players for them for very little coin, especially in the faceoff circle. Malhotra even played on the power play at times — he’s like Marchant with hands.
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Malhotra accepted way less than market value to come to the Sharks for one year to try and win a cup. We obviously came up short…but I suspect Malhotra will be looking for a payday nonetheless. He turned down a 4 year 8 million dollar deal to come play for us for cheap last year…I suspect he’ll want something in that range this offseason, though.
Nichol, though, I suspect won’t take much of, if any raise to keep around, should DW want to keep him (which I hope he does).
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 3, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, totally. Pahlsson was so easy to replace.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jun 3, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn’t sure on the appropriate smiley face for sarcasm there. I’m sure Earl’s tears will form something to help me out.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jun 3, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
If Nieds and Selanne retire I see the Ducks spending less and going into full rebuild mode.
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no way..not gonna waste…bobby’s, perry’s, getz good years..i dont think anyways
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 3, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
For now…I suspect that’s an area the Sharks try to improve this offseason. We’ll see…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 3, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it will be hard to fit Bonino and Sexton in the line-up next year. They aren’t bottom 6 forwards so if they are on the team, they’ll be playing on the first or second line. That said, I’d like to see them with the Crunch for now.
I’m not sure the Ducks need anymore forwards. It seems they need to balance out the roster by unloading some bottom 6 forwards and getting a top 4 defenseman (assuming they sign Bobby, Scotty, Teemu, and Saku).
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But maybe it brings into question how loudly Kings fans beat the “Drew Doughty for Norris” drum this coming year — that could tangibly cost the team, I’d guess.
Oh, come on, we didn’t make that happen. The Olympics made that happen. We blathered on and on before that about how great he was and no one gave a damn. Though tuning us out is generally a good idea.
Key UFAs: …Randy Jones, Jeff Halpern
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Wherever the Doughty movement started, it’s still a big swing year. I really don’t know how to treat that $2.6M (for one, I haven’t seen it spelled out anywhere) — but can we really rule out that he might make the entire amount next year? He’d still be a bargain if that happened, of course, but maybe not the bargain he’d be if that award didn’t happen for another year.
Not to mention the re-signing amount part.
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you just figured that out now?
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 3, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
No dispute there, especially with a stuffed head. Still, that’s some serious coin in play there — Drew’s last real bargain year could have been this past one.
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rudy wheres the lakers post?….fuck you perkins!!!
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 3, 2010 5:56 PM PDT reply actions
I think there’s already been enough pro-Lakers around here. This one had better be more about the fuck-Boston angle.
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i just wanted to piss off some bocers…but yes fuck boston…..rondo…brady..chara….wakefield
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 3, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I need to borrow pronger so he can cross check paul pierce in the face
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 3, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
having issues with one of your other sports? :)
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yea my comp is slow…totally destroying my yank game
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 3, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
i do…..i so do
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 3, 2010 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
so we want the lakers to lose … right? :)
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well yes..there a cali team…so makes sense….
w got game 1…not too shabby
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jun 3, 2010 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Keep the basketball off BoC or I’m burning the place to the ground.
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by DailyhockeyDeals on Jun 3, 2010 6:12 PM PDT reply actions
Aw, this is so complimentary I’m tempted to do it — maybe tonight.
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He sounds so sincere! All the exclamation marks really help sell it.
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Probably deserves a mention in a post, but looks like tickets to the 2010 entry draft are going on sale on Saturday morning, and they’re virtually free — $1.25 for a two-day ticket?
Anyways, drafts are boring and stuff, but if anybody is going, let me know — I think Rudy and I will be there, at least, rubbing elbows with other wrongfully-credentialed bloggers.
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Sorry, at poor economic times like these, free is just too expensive.
"The Big Pavelski" sounds like something you'd name your cock.
I can only afford to go to things that cost “you give me ten dollars.”
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so your giving out h.j’s, b.j.‘s and z.j.’s again. Still the same prices? Any specials going on right now?
Amo la manera una haba y el burrito del queso siente alrededor de mi pene.
Anyways, drafts are boring and stuff, but if anybody is going, let me know
My Dad lives in Vegas. We were considering going.
That’s fine — I doubt there’s free tickets for that event, as that’s one I’d be interested in seeing*.
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