Texts From This Morning
by RudyKelly on Jul 19, 2010 10:59 AM PDT
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Nut: Motherfucker, [Ilya Kovalchuk] signed with the Devils.
Rudy: Hahaha what the fuck
Nut: I should have known
Nut: I'm so distraught
Rudy: Don't worry there's always Vinny Leca- oh god!
Nut: Simon Gagne, woohoo! Maybe we'll sign Doughty soon at least.
Rudy: Nope, it'd take up too much cap, we wouldn't be able to re-sign Randy Jones.
Rudy: Dean's going to get fucking destroyed by the press
Nut: Yup. But he was right.
Rudy: Nope. How much did he sign for?
Nut: Hasn't been announced. Berry said he heard 60 mil over 7 years but he's an idiot so...
dchesnokov: Kovalchuk's mother tells Pavel Lysenkov of Sovetsky Sport that Kovalchuk's deal with #NJD is for 17 years.
Rudy: The fuck? He'll be 44.
Nut: Ya. But if it's 100 million that gives them a cap hit of 5.9.
Rudy: That doesn't seem legal.
Nut: Nope. He clearly wasn't in it to win it. Nj doesn't have a fucking chance, Brodeur is not elite anymore and they still on have 1 and 1/2 lines with no future.
Rudy: They'll be ok bc they have Lou. They'll probably get Vokoun and then I'll just give up and start cheering for them.
Nut: And they'll trade for Patrick Sharp.
Rudy: And get Megan Fox to be their spokesperson.
Nut: The one thing I'm not sure about that Dean did was publicly state to Helene that it was their final offer. If it worked it was awesome (which it kind of did) but it may have made Lou look nicer.
Rudy: It just sucks bc you know whatever the deal is they gave Dean a chance to match and he said no.
Nut: Ya
Nut: My heart hurts
Rudy: Stupid football, it always moves at the last second
Nut: Yup
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Mother of God, that would be goddamned ludicrous. That has to be bullshit. Thats 8.8 a year! Unless its bonuses included
No way
in hell that is real, it cant be! Lawdy!
Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination.-Oscar Wilde
I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.
We’ll find out eventually. At least we’re used to waiting.
I mean, maybe 120 or 130? But 150? Whaaaat?
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Now
I am just asking myself “Why do I still care??” Kovi is taking over our lives! Eh, it is summer so I guess it provides us with some entertainment. I am really curious as to what DL is going to do. We have missed out on a lot of options waiting on Kovi.
And, 150 is just stupid. I mean reeeeeealllly stupid.
Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination.-Oscar Wilde
I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.
at least @ 150 you can feel better about not getting him huh?
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
Yeah, but it really couldn’t be a 19-day decision trying to pick between $64M and $150M, could it?
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It could if 150 mil wasn’t on the table. But I think that figure is ridiculous, I can’t believe its true.
Why the mystery? We can’t properly open the UFA floodgates if you’re keeping dollars a secret, silly Devils.
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I am really inclined to breathe easy on this. Kovy was never guaranteed. Add him, then yes, Teh Future Is Now (plz hope the young ’uns mature rapidly).
Do not add him — then go along as we planned, a year or so behind Chicago. Woot.
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May want to make that two years if the “win now” mentality isn’t in full effect.
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Right, so if it’s not next year, probably should be “two years or so”, if the model is still the Blackhawks.
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dchesnokov
Kovalchuk $102m over 17 years. $10m per year for the first 8 years. $7.5 for the next 2, from what I heard.
17 minus whenever he moves to Russia.
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Cashwise, if you believe twitter, he’ll make $95M of the $102M over the first ten years of the deal. Can’t really imagine he’d stay after that for the last $7M.
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can you just back out of contract? Aren’t the Caps still paying for Nylander and Isles still paying for Yashin even though they are in the KHL?
Yashin was bought out, not sure on Nylander. But Jiri Hudler went away last year to the KHL and wasn’t on Detroit’s cap — he’ll come back to finish off the contract as if he never left, I think.
There will be an out, I’m way sure of that — Lou’s on the goddamn council that makes the next CBA, I think.
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I wonder if Chicago’s example hasn’t had a divisive effect on the market — some take it as a deterrent, others went and stacked the roster in hope of hitting the jackpot (Marty/Pronger aren’t going to live forever, etc).
Kovy at 34-37 and beyond obviously isn’t going to cut it, but they aren’t counting on that. We’ll see.
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again?
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
Gonna start calling Dean “WildWing,” he keeps on getting burned.
"What if I picked the wrong religion? All I'm doing is getting God madder and madder at me." — Homer Simpson
by KJKing on Jul 19, 2010 11:39 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Finally a good laugh today. Well played KJK.
The Spirit of MeatTrain'10!
by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 19, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow!! Lombardi’s an idiot. Chouldn’t even get Gagne for cheap as plan B. He’s a way better defensive player than Kovy
I assume that this will be covered in the follow-up “Texts from my Lunch Break” post. :)
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lets hope so
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jul 19, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
OMG WE WANTED GAGNE SO BAD
WE SHOULD HAVE GIVEN HIM BERNIER AND THERE ARE NO QUESTION MARKS
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At that bargain price, though, it’s tough to argue that anybody wanted Gagne that terribly. Doesn’t need to immediately boil down to best prospect nonsense, does it?
Still, my B-Ry perspective is still a little nervous here — commit some money, Dean.
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Myraid fan theories that had us giving up either Quick or Bernier in return. And the Philly press frankly fed them.
I just think we’ll be having a better perspective on this in, say, a month. Not that it will stop people from crucifying our GM. Bitter Helene Elliott, come on down!
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When Hockey’s not anyone I watch the Lakers school fools.
Brilliant.
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 19, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
In the meantime, some solid suggestions about contracts like these from the Forechecker.
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by Earl Sleek on Jul 19, 2010 12:32 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Great stuff there – really articulated the problems with the current system. This contract does seem like total bullshit.
I'm just saying: I'm pretty sure this means deaf people are devil worshipers.
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If they wanted to take a stand on that kind of circumvention, it should have been earlier. If now, well…it’s a day late, and millions of dollars short IMO.
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For this deal, sure, but I don’t know why they can’t correct a flaw in the future. The first postlockout CBA and its salary cap introduction doesn’t need to be treated as untouchable.
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I think I’m already over the Kovie thing. The Kings are not going to be a worse team this year because they didn’t get him. They’re going to be a better team because the great young core players have another year of experience and a playoff series under their belts. There is a HUGE upside to this team. I really look forward to seeing how they take the snub as a call to action. I hope they, along with me say “Fuck Kovie and the Devils. Let’s keep moving forward.”
"What if I picked the wrong religion? All I'm doing is getting God madder and madder at me." — Homer Simpson
THAT’S THE JOKE.
I'm just saying: I'm pretty sure this means deaf people are devil worshipers.
Battle of California
Right. You titled your conversation with Nut with a reference to a site that is largely focused on drunk people and sex.
So, gay.
I’m not the smartest guy in the world. I don’t read books or know how "getting pregnant" works. I can’t promise nights filled with intellectual conversation, but if we’re walking past a chain-link fence, you can rest assured that I’m going to try and chew a hole through it.
Who said that wasn’t a positive?
I’m not the smartest guy in the world. I don’t read books or know how "getting pregnant" works. I can’t promise nights filled with intellectual conversation, but if we’re walking past a chain-link fence, you can rest assured that I’m going to try and chew a hole through it.
This means Parise walks next year right?
Go get him, Dean!!!
Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves
This ain’t high school… Besides, we’re trading the whole Manchester team for him…
Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves
by angelofdeath on Jul 19, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Now this I can endorse. :)
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by angelofdeath on Jul 19, 2010 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
BTW, I’m guessing it’s not really going to get used, but Rudy did ask me to draw up a Kovalchuk cartoon this past week, and I did have to run through several attempts — I’m not that good at drawing a specific player that well, but this was the passable result:
It’s a spin off of the old indecisive Niedermayer gag. Good ol’ Ilya, holdin’ up the line on some pricing silliness.
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by Earl Sleek on Jul 19, 2010 7:20 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
hehe
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jul 20, 2010 5:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Kovy is a douche. Im just glad this shit is done with.
by Mudhippy on Jul 20, 2010 1:47 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
ill rec that….of course if we got him i wouldnt be saying that….
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jul 20, 2010 5:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Would you really want him under those cap conditions Spade?
That contract is the suck. Let’s see how it looks for NJ 8 to 10 years from now, and they will still be 7 – 9 years left before it’s over.
Imagine how bad that bertuzzie 4 mill over 2 years tasted. I think LA is damn lucky NJ took the bullet on this one.
The contract isn’t bad, so long as somebody is fronting a lot of cash for it.
Don’t concentrate on the late years — by the time the contract doesn’t work for the Devils, it will magically disappear. It won’t be Bertuzzi at all — Bertuzzi still played in the NHL, and thus had to be bought out. During the back half of thag contract, Kovie will disappear to KHL land and nothing will count against the Devils’ cap at all.
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Kovie will disappear to KHL land and nothing will count against the Devils’ cap at all.
I’m sure he’ll retire before the contract ends, but that’s assuming quite a lot.
In Dinglebarn We Trust
Either way, there’s easy mechanisms to escape the awful side of the contract. And both the team and the player (and the sit-on-my-hands league) know it.
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both sides can care less it looks incredible ridiculous
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jul 20, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
ok i get it now. If Kovie was 35 plus and signed that then he cant disapear right?
I wonder how/if the new CBA will effect this at all.
I don’t need the logic of the contracts explained, I get it. I just think assuming the guy will take off to the KHL once he’s only scoring 20 goals or whatever is a bit much. It’s a nice cap hit now, but there is still an element of risk involved.
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Sure, there’s risk — Ilya could never score a goal again.
But I don’t know that the number of goals he scores in a season will determine when he hangs them up or moves to Russia. It’s likely to be based on when his actual paychecks start sucking.
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His contract doesn’t start sucking until ten years from now, when he’s 37. If the Kings had done this deal, I’d still have mixed feelings.
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Well, it’s tough to expect anybody to have ten great years, but it seems a majority of them could be worth it. That seems the bet Jersey’s making.
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Quisp was looking at this when it seemed like we would get him — the way so few elite goal-scorers maintain production over time is daunting. 27 is the peak.
It may be worth it for 6 of those first 10 years. Assuming best case scenario skill-wise, and that nothing happens to him.
A long term contract for Doughty would also carry a big risk, though older defensemen are still valuable (see Pronger, Lidstrom, and Nieds). It’s still risky any way you slice it, but I think it’s a better investment.
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Ya Larionov played till he was in diapers (although he was a different player than Kovi). I think what is a much more possible risk is him pulling a Rick Dipietro/Pavel Bure and blowin a knee or other such limb
Just out of curiosity: how long, ideally, would you like Doughty’s next contract to run? If you could just pick a number and they’d have to go with it or something.
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sign the sharktopus to 18 years!!! he replaces the need for D or a goalie!!!…try scoring on him…hell glove everything..and try sending someone to screen him in front of those jaws…just try
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jul 20, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Let’s see, a 20 year old Norris candidate? 12-13 years looks like a good risk. A 27 year old sniper who’s not a two-way player, much less so.
Also, Drew has a better plus/minus than Sharktopus. Sharktopus pinches in so much to attack, he’s a defensive liability.
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Correct answer might be 50 years. Have to think in terms of NHL lying nonsense.
You’re right on retained on-ice value, but still — sometimes you do have to bite some bullets to land the big fish. I know why you’re happy Kovy’s elsewhere, and I’m glad it’s not a Ducks contract, too (we’re not Rich Dads — cash spending sucks).
But still, I don’t know that it’s a bad deal that the Devils made — they’ve got other priorities, and resources to pull this off.
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I’ve never said it was a bad deal. I just don’t think it’s an unqualified good (just like I don’t think it’s the end of the world that the Kings missed out on him). I don’t know if that’s what you intended, but it seems like you’re arguing the opposite.
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Well, I don’t know that the thing to focus on really is whatever production he’ll have at 37. By then the overall bet’s already been covered or it hasn’t, and it’ll probably be a wildly different league by then anyways — 100% shootouts or something.
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I don’t know that the thing to focus on really is whatever production he’ll have at 37.
It’s not the thing to focus on, but it’s a factor. And paying him that much sets the curve. But I get that we’re not in agreement — everything that gives me pause, you deem as not very important. I’ll just stop now.
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That’s not it at all.
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Well, you said
by the time the contract doesn’t work for the Devils, it will magically disappear
I’m no so sure that’s true and I explained why. So we don’t disagree?
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I guess I’m not that concerned by a couple-mil overpayment ten years from now. Call me an inflationist, but I don’t know that he’ll be the worst contract on the Devils by then.
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Another victory for semantics. Off to kill some cowboys.
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I think you two just officially confused me … did you agree or not agree? :)
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
i think people miss the point of how good that dude is…gonna be intresting to see what the devils look like with him for a full year
but damn the kings would have looked scary with him…
"I'm not a bullshitter amigo."
-John Marston-
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jul 20, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
but damn the kings would have looked scary with him…
Yup — that’s really the gist of it. Thanks, Devils.
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p.s
youve got to like my sig earl..it was so hard to choose..might have to rotate
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-John Marston-
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jul 20, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve just always had a hard time picturing him in our system. I’m sure we would have worked with him somehow. If we got him, of course I’d be hoping for the best. People were scared of us landing him, and are happy we didn’t, but I don’t care. I just had mixed feelings.
We need to replace Fro, that’s for sure. But we weren’t really hurting for goals last year — we were in the top ten. And our goaltending is definitely getting better. I think we’ll trade for someone and we’ll be all right.
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he figures he scares the shit out of people….hes a little cocky..de does get caught….just dont trade him to edmonton hes said to bite off heads for that
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jul 20, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
yea the doughty point is a good one by the way
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jul 20, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
8-10. Also, I think Lou lives and dies by whether they win and by whether the sign Parise long term, regardless of how easily they think that will be accomplished. If he wants 7 million (which, why shouldn’t he?) I think they are going to have trouble, they may keep him but how do you add anyone else? I still think there is no way they compete with Washington or Pittsburgh with no defense besides Greene and Volchenkov. They are still built to be protected by Brodeur but he doesn’t have it anymore (and hasn’t for the past two seasons.) And hopefully Maclean knows what he’s doing, because he’s gonna have a shitload of pressure now (If things aren’t going well, I like to envision a conversation with Lamerello. Maclean tries to explain his system, then Lamerello tells him he needs to win now. Maclean responds with, “No fucking shit, Lou. Does it sound like I’m ordering a pizza??!” (you know, because he’s John Maclean)
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it will no doubt be such a pleasure to watch kovy to play the last years of that contract by skating with walking stick and yealling at people telling them to get off his lawn
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
One more year!
Well at least one SoCal team is signing players. ALLDUCKS:
According to sportsnet.ca the Ducks have signed Danny Syvret http://ow.ly/2e1kB
Here’s his Hockey Reference page. Defense = bolstered! Plan the parade! :)
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we also got a some slovianian guy fromt he rangers…i can hear us shooting up the forecasting ranking…like a gun shot baby!!!
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-John Marston-
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jul 20, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Even better — a Slovak who played last year in the Finnish Elite League. He’s multi-cultural!
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Uh, Tomas Zaborsky? He’s not likely for the big club, I assume, but who knows?
Prove me wrong, Finnish Slovak.
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to my defense i was far away from my lappy yesterday… and he played for ässät
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
One more year!
It’s OK — I suspect he was acquired because the OC Register blog is running a “Ducks A-Z” player-by-player profile series this summer, and didn’t have anyone to end on with a “Z”. And Detroit wouldn’t budge on Zetterberg. :)
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ässät
too close to ASS-Hat
maybe that does not translate, but i worry about such things when picking names.
hmmmm… i should start to call them that and wish someone gets the joke ;)
it actually means “aces” which really is hilariously incorrect…
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
One more year!
russian :)
finland uses normal letters
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
One more year!
oh
i thought you were finnish? russian living in finland?
finnish. i just shamelessly borrow things i like from our east neighbour since they have all the cool stuff ;)
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
One more year!
shush, that will get me kicked out of here… :P
for certain reasons i’m more keen to the cool stuff before 20th century…
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
One more year!
thats the problem right there
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-John Marston-
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jul 20, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Are the Devils stupid? Since Kovie was going to the highest bidder no matter what, it looks like they paid about $20 mil more than they had to to get him. Or maybe his agent just made it sound like the Kings were going to pay more so he could inflate the Devils bid and they fell for it. Someone please educate me. I’m having trouble understanding how they could be so far apart.
"What if I picked the wrong religion? All I'm doing is getting God madder and madder at me." — Homer Simpson
The difference is pretty large, but who knows? I’m sure there were different factors like lockout guarantees and whatnot — I’d guess that over the next two years the Kings would have paid much more than the $6M/yr he’s starting with the Devils. It’s a pretty good question, though — if it really was down to 2 NHL teams and maybe 1 KHL, they didn’t need to win the bidding by that amount, I’d guess.
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Probably part of it was good agenting, too — sounds like both sides were bidding against air. Lombardi’s quotes sounded genuinely surprised at what the Devils contract ended up being, so maybe Lou didn’t really know what L.A. was doing either.
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Unless they dangled some crazy KHL number at him but even then I wonder if Lou’s kicking himself today after finding out how little the Kings offered relative to his offer. Oh, and the “tradition of winning” argument I believe is somewhat valid. As I mentioned yesterday, if a FA has a choice of playing for the Lakers or the Clippers and all other things being equal, the Lakers will get him. Some franchises just have a mystique about them that attracts big names. I don’t think the Kings ever had a chance. They were just once again being used as leverage, whether the numbers were honest or not.
"What if I picked the wrong religion? All I'm doing is getting God madder and madder at me." — Homer Simpson
Oh, I’m sure he appreciates their tradition of winning. And why wouldn’t he? It’s just that when he listed the reasons why he chose the Devils, he didn’t really harp on the extra 20 million dollars. Which was also a factor, just maybe.
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haha. ya think? I guess none of us can really blame him. Especially when you see the Grand Canyon of difference between the two offers. But I hear ya. Don’t you wish just once someone would say “They have a great tradition of winning, oh and they also gave me a shitload of money.”
"What if I picked the wrong religion? All I'm doing is getting God madder and madder at me." — Homer Simpson
I doubt it. The 100 mil 17 years rumor came out a while ago (from Larry Brooks, I think). My guess is Grossman spent the week trying to get the Kings to match, without success. It wouldn’t make any sense to not let Lombardi know there was a much more favorable offer out there.
That makes a lot of sense but I could buy into it a lot easier if the final numbers weren’t so far apart. I don’t think Kovie wanted to play here, period. I can’t imagine Grossman throwing the 100 mil deal at Lombardi and getting the answer “I’ll do 80.” He wouldn’t have engaged Dean for so long. I think Grossman WANTED Dean to match for sure. But only as a way to force Lou’s hand. The trip to LA being part of the ploy. And who knows what he told Lou about LA’s offer. It’s all speculation on my part and I’m an idiot, so whatever. But I would love to know the details and why it seems so hard for the Kings to attract big name free agents.
"What if I picked the wrong religion? All I'm doing is getting God madder and madder at me." — Homer Simpson
I think it’s pretty clear that if the Kings had offered Kovy the same deal the Devils did than he’d be a King right now. He wanted to play here. I’m guessing AEG wouldn’t agree to circumvent the cap to the degree the Devils did, since they’re one of Bettman’s biggest allies.
I don’t doubt you. But what evidence do have that he ever wanted to play here? I’ve never heard anything one way or another from that camp. I always fall back on my “sucky, charlie brown-ass, loser Kings vs. East coast, we’re awesome, suck Bbrodeur’s dick” theory as to why top line FA’s don’t sign here.
"What if I picked the wrong religion? All I'm doing is getting God madder and madder at me." — Homer Simpson
As Rudy said, he would have signed with Jersey when the offer came out instead of dicking around out in LA. Thats why you didn’t hear anything out of NJ, because they had already given their bat shit offer and were hoping we couldn’t match. They were right. I doubt you’ll hear Kovalchuk say he wanted to come to LA but settled with NJ, because it makes him look shitty to NJ fans.
And you are 100% correct: AEG=Bettman
"What if I picked the wrong religion? All I'm doing is getting God madder and madder at me." — Homer Simpson
If he wanted to play with NJ he would have signed that 17-year deal when they offered it, which was like 10 days ago. They offered him exactly what he wanted and he tried to get LA to match it. There’s no way he thought LA was going to exceed that offer, so the likely conclusion is that all things being equal he would have preferred LA.
TSN is saying the NHL rejected the contract!
No that is not a joke. But I’m still laughing my ass off.
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Hahahaha
Still, I don’t think he’s coming here… DL, two words: Patrick Sharp…
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by angelofdeath on Jul 20, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree, he’s not coming here. Also if this is one of those “News flashes that later turns out to be wrong” I will punch something.
Sharp is dreamy, but he’d be the last resort for Chicago…they have several other options. Mmm. Sharp. I will just think about him and go to a happy place.
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Who can they move?
No, not Campbell or Hossa… Certainly not that big bag of suck Cristobal Huet…
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by angelofdeath on Jul 20, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Huet is AHL- or Europe-bound, as that is the only way to deal with his cap hit. They’d love to move Campbell, but that would take a minor miracle.
They’d get the best return for Sharp, but they could only take picks and prospects or very low salary players in return. And as his salary is very reasonable, his value is even greater to them.
So…they will try to shop Campbell, but good luck with that. Kopecky and other lesser pieces will be shopped too.
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this
I believe Chicago was going to move either Byfuglien(sp?) or Sharp. They already dealt, Dustin….I’m sure Sharp is going to be sticking around for a while longer. I would have personally hung on to the Buffman. It’s not everyday you see a player of that size, speed, and ability. (Unless you’re an Oilers fan-See Dusin Penner) LMAOOO
by ScottyKnows on Jul 21, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
DENIED!
hahahahhahahahahhahahha
The NHL has rejected Ilya Kovalchuk’s 17-year, $102 million contract on the grounds that it circumvents the NHL’s salary cap
Ya Think?
yeah … I’m reading Devil’s site … they are losing it over there … I’m not saying a word to them for fear I would be lynched … :)
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
yeah … I’m reading Devil’s site … they are losing it over there
I can’t say i blame them, after the Hossa and Pronger deals were not even questioned.
will the drama start over?
"What if I picked the wrong religion? All I'm doing is getting God madder and madder at me." — Homer Simpson
Fuck. Back to day one of waiting. :)
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There has to be some possible endgame where Kovalchuk gets so sick of this that he decides to sign super-cheap with the one team that has a hated history with both the Kings and Devils, right?
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decides to sign super-cheap
If you are going to dream, dream big dude.
See people, as a Ducks fan we can’t even fantasize about getting this guy without a discounted contract.
In order for it to work, Ilya has to want it more than we do. :)
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huh?
What happens after the 5 days? Are they not allowed to negotiate any longer?
by ScottyKnows on Jul 21, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
A tip of the ol' Chapeau to Niesy for finding this little gem...
The Spirit of MeatTrain'10!
by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 20, 2010 9:47 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Shit thats great. Better than great…its um damn..I lack a word for it….
Regardless I LOL’d
I rec’d that shit.
by Steven Hida on Jul 20, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
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