Sharks Gameday: What is Luck? Part 1
by Megalodon on Dec 15, 2011 8:00 AM PST
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PrintWithout question, luck plays a big role in hockey. From shooting percentages to goalie hot streaks, from Clear Victory standings to bad bounces, luck casts a shadow throughout every aspect of the game.
People have different ideas about what exactly "luck" is, where it comes from, and how we should feel about it. In my new series of posts, that I'll continue whenever I feel like it for as long as I feel like it, I'm going to examine how different individuals, organizations, cultures, and belief systems have viewed "luck" throughout history and around the world - and then I'll take their thoughts on the subject and apply them to hockey.
If that sounds like fun to you, then it must be your lucky day.
What did Ancient Greeks believe?
Copied from the infallible source of all knowledge, Wikipedia:
Ancient Greek theology was based on polytheism; that is, the assumption that there were many gods and goddesses. There was a hierarchy of deities, with Zeus, the king of the gods, having a level of control over all the others, although he was not omnipotent. Some deities had dominion over certain aspects of nature. [...] Other deities ruled over an abstract concept; for instance Aphrodite controlled love.
True fact: Boreas, the North Wind, was the Greek god of winter. He is the closest we have to a god of hockey.
While being immortal, the gods were not all powerful. They had to obey fate, which overrode all.
And even the gods themselves were powerless against a Shanahan suspension.
They would interact with humans, sometimes even spawning children with them.
Ah, that explains Brent Burns. He's the human son of Pythonias, the Greek god of snakes and mustaches.
What did Ancient Greeks believe about luck?
Luck was seen by the Ancient Greeks as an aspect of Fate. Luck was represented by the gods Tyche and Nemesis. Tyche (also known as Eutykhia) was the Goddess of good fortune, while Nemesis was the goddess of "fair distribution," and provided a balance against the riches good luck could bestow.
Attention NHL Advanced Stat nerds: Nemesis is the Goddess of regressing to the mean!
How can we apply these beliefs to hockey?
A team's success in the long term is determined by fate, which cannot be altered even by the Gods. In the short term, however, teams can get boosts by appealing for help to the appropriate Gods.
For the Sharks, the appropriate patron god would be Poseidon, the Earth-Shaker, god of the sea, earthquakes, and horses.
That's a hell of a playoff beard.
The Kings' god would probably be Zeus, King of the Gods and god of the Sky, Law, Order, Justice, Thunder, and Lightning (if Tampa Bay ever complains you guys are going to have to fight for Zeus' honor).
It's a pretty good chair. I guess.
Britomartis is the goddess of mountains and hunting and, more specifically, the nets you use to catch fowl. That's stupid, so she's a perfect fit for the Ducks.
This image has an extra joke about the Ducks hidden in it.
How can this help the Sharks?
The Sharks need to get Poseidon's attention, so he'll step in and help get them out of their temporary funk. Here is a slightly modified version of the Ancient Greek Homeric Hymn to Poseidon:
I begin to sing about Poseidon, the great god, mover of the earth and fruitless sea, god of the deep who is also lord of Helicon and wide Aegae. A two-fold office the gods allotted you, O Shaker of the Earth, to be a tamer of horses and a saviour of ships!
Hail, Poseidon, Holder of the Earth, dark-haired lord! O blessed one, be kindly in heart and help the San Jose Sharks!
I have now said this hymn out loud while trying very very hard to believe in Poseidon. We'll see what the results are tonight!
I just realized that the last time I tried out superstitious stuff like this was for a different game against the Avalanche. I'm going to take that as a good omen.
The Sharks lost against Colorado on Tuesday, but they fought hard and at least got a point out of it. Any game that goes to a shootout is basically a tie anyway. The Sharks have been slumping hard lately, but I'm having a difficult time freaking out about it. I KNOW they are a good team. They're going to start winning again very soon.
How about a big win tonight, Poseidon?
Prediction: It's all up to Tyche and Nemesis in the end, but Poseidon helps get the Sharks back on the right track. San Jose wins 5-2, with goals from Leonidas, Achilles, Odysseus, Alexander the Great, and Diogenes.
P.S. My 54th-favorite movie is 300. If you want a more-realistic, even-more-badass story of the Battle of Thermopylae, read Gates of Fire.
P.P.S. Thanks to Rudy for help with this post. He's an expert on certain aspects of Ancient Greek culture.
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except for the gods...
They were assholes.
by Magic Head on Dec 15, 2011 8:48 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
The thing I like about Greek Gods is that they acted just like people. Sometimes they were nice, often they were jerks or were just lazy. That belief system seems like a pretty solid explanation for the way the world is.
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by Megalodon on Dec 15, 2011 8:55 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
“Sometimes they were nice, often they were jerks or were just lazy” sounds familiar
by Magic Head on Dec 15, 2011 11:05 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
We’re pagans now huh? If it works, I’m all for it.
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
I am not exaggerating when I say I will switch to any religion that delivers victories for the Sharks.
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Battle of California
Hell I would take up a religion if that was all that was required.
Clearly we know FTF’s option of selling your soul isn’t working tho.
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
You just have to sell it to the right guy.
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Battle of California
I sold mine for a Snickers Bar once…looking back, i probably should have held out for more.
"Its not so much me as it is Roenick, hes good" - Vince Vaughn
"Its not so much Kontos as it is me, I'm good." - Angryjay93
In middle school a friend sold me his in exchange for a pudding cup.
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pudding cup
(insert pederasty joke here)
It is that thing that I sent to you.
by whine_country on Dec 15, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
maybe try nordic gods? at least they should be familiar with ice and stuff unlike those south european gods…
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
sharks – aegir (Norse god of the ocean)
lightning – donar (Teutonic god of thunder)
shanahan – Forseti (Nordic god of justice)
bettman – Andvari (Nordic dwarf, possessed a great treasure)
refs – Hoder (Nordic blind god who accidentally killed Balder with a sprig of mistletoe)
selänne – Idun (Nordic goddess who guarded the golden apples of youth)
flames – Logi (Nordic personification of fire)
flyers/devils – Modgud (Norse guardian of entrance to Hel)
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
No, Loki would be Loki.
It is that thing that I sent to you.
by whine_country on Dec 15, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
yeah but loki (the nordic creature one) is kinda bitch so, i’d say no
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
Steve Ott would be the same thing in every religion: a little bitch that no one likes.
by RudyKelly on Dec 15, 2011 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks to Rudy for help with this post. He’s an expert on certain aspects of Ancient Greek culture.
oh jesus rudy
Niles: You'll see who feels foolish when I'm sitting on a mechanical bull sipping champagne.
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Dec 15, 2011 9:06 AM PST reply actions
Does having a fetish qualify one as an “expert?”
It is that thing that I sent to you.
by whine_country on Dec 15, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
I just never heard the term pederasty before…..oh how disturbing
Niles: You'll see who feels foolish when I'm sitting on a mechanical bull sipping champagne.
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Dec 15, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Others, such as Aristotle, claimed that some states encouraged pederasty as a means of population control, by directing love and sexual desire into non-procreative channels
all right rudy go for it…we dont need you procreating
Niles: You'll see who feels foolish when I'm sitting on a mechanical bull sipping champagne.
www.battleofcali.com
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Dec 15, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Dallas was leading the Pacific on February 5th last season. It won’t last.
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Battle of California
They’re actually more exciting to watch, especially on the PP.
by ScottyKnows on Dec 15, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Ending the ‘Fire Todd McLellan’ movement before it begins
as our old governator said in predator…to the predator trying to goad him into an obvious simple booby trap*
“come on….do it!”..
for boc symetry sake!
Niles: You'll see who feels foolish when I'm sitting on a mechanical bull sipping champagne.
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Dec 15, 2011 10:22 AM PST reply actions
It’s not the type of booby trap you’re thinking of, spade
by ScottyKnows on Dec 15, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
It could still be symmetrical without firing McLellan. Just put the Sharks in the middle.
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Of the boobies?
It is that thing that I sent to you.
by whine_country on Dec 15, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
sounds good..the most useless spot…you want to be on one of the ends in that situation…enjoy the ribcage connector or whatever u call that
Niles: You'll see who feels foolish when I'm sitting on a mechanical bull sipping champagne.
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Dec 15, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
the ribcage connector or whatever u call that
You have that right. It’s the ribcage connector.
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Battle of California
by Megalodon on Dec 15, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
In my new series of posts, that I’ll continue whenever I feel like it for as long as I feel like it,
That’s another BoC motto if I’ve ever seen one.
It is that thing that I sent to you.
by whine_country on Dec 15, 2011 10:35 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Umm, I, umm, wasn’t thinking of that, ummm, Earl, not at all…
:)
It is that thing that I sent to you.
by whine_country on Dec 15, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
11th in Fenwick percentage. Tied for third in 5 v 5 +- per 60. Sharks will start winning again soon, even though the special teams look like crap. Go Sharks.
Wow
First comment on BoC is a double post fail. That’s a bad omen.
by Briceratops on Dec 15, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You must have angered Nemesis.
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Battle of California
by Megalodon on Dec 15, 2011 1:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
excellent
Niles: You'll see who feels foolish when I'm sitting on a mechanical bull sipping champagne.
www.battleofcali.com
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Dec 15, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Second comment is very much improved! :)
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by Earl Sleek on Dec 15, 2011 1:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
awesome screen name…lol..and no not bad omen..just means you fit right in here
Niles: You'll see who feels foolish when I'm sitting on a mechanical bull sipping champagne.
www.battleofcali.com
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Dec 15, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
New stats are like the Gods. People use them to back up what ever point they are trying to make no matter what point they are trying to make.
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
by Nut on Dec 15, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Add that man to the Kings’ SONA.
It is that thing that I sent to you.
by whine_country on Dec 15, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
Well the stats I offered suggest that the Sharks are one of the better 5 on 5 teams in hockey. Most hockey fans would agree that good 5 on 5 play is the key to sustainable success. Right now the Sharks PP and PK are atrocious and that is what is preventing them from winning. It will be interesting to see how many points their dredful special teams will cost them this season (although I do think that the PP is much better than it has been lately).
Did FTF kick you out or something?
It is that thing that I sent to you.
by whine_country on Dec 15, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
You are most welcome, as long as your next comment is “Rudy is gay.”
It is that thing that I sent to you.
by whine_country on Dec 15, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
Rudy is to blogging what Mike Grier is to open nets.
by Briceratops on Dec 15, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
whine-tested, Rudy-approved!
Way to go, dude.
It is that thing that I sent to you.
by whine_country on Dec 15, 2011 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
Luck is that thing the Sharks never have in the playoffs.
From Garpenlov all the way to that fucking ridiculous goal that knocked us out last year.
I'm warning you! I have ADHD and I know how to use it!!!
Good job Giants, now win 3 more world series titles and then you just might be worthy of being mentioned in the same league as the A's.
THAT IS NABOKOV IN NET NOT NITTYMAKISHUTUP!!!!!!!!!!
San Jose: Being Kept save from ferocious enemies by the Sharks and Earthquakes since 91 and 96.
Go Sharks! Go Poseidon!
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Battle of California
GO SHARKS!
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
GOAL!!!!
a pagan I now am!
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
a pagan I now am!
Do you worship Yoda?
It is that thing that I sent to you.
by whine_country on Dec 15, 2011 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah .. my fingers just typed it that way. And damn!
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
Made me think of this.
"Thank you very much fans and let’s go for the next game together!"
— Lubomir Visnovsky
I rec’d that shit.
Sharks hockey
Step 1: Score more than your opponent 5 on 5
Step 2: Give up weak ass power play goals
Step 3: Watch fanbase erupt about how terrible the team is when the only problem is the penalty kill.
Step 3 doesn’t happen on BoC.
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
by Angy on Dec 15, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Thats why I go to FTF
"Thank you very much fans and let’s go for the next game together!"
— Lubomir Visnovsky
I rec’d that shit.
Yes I know you do that. :)
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
Need to keep my comments up…Otherwise someone might start accusing me of being a Canucks fan…
"Thank you very much fans and let’s go for the next game together!"
— Lubomir Visnovsky
I rec’d that shit.
Don’t say that … it will encourage me to go look.
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
Okay … had to do it … comical.
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
I can see that. Just hilarious. And also why I have always said there needs to be an ignore function on SBN.
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
Hey! Going to BoC to complain about FTF is my thing. I’m now going to complain about you two on Twitter.
Leslie Knope: "...but it has a lot of heart."
April Ludgate: "That's what people always say when something sucks."
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Tempting!
One fun thing about that user is that they’re either a 12 year old pretending to be a lawyer or an actual lawyer that brags about it on the internet for some reason.
Leslie Knope: "...but it has a lot of heart."
April Ludgate: "That's what people always say when something sucks."
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I got kicked off FtF
last year during the playoffs they banned me for calling people ‘jokes’. teh ban only lasted a day but I’ve never gone back
http://5minutesformurder.blogspot.com
NO! OF COURSE NOT! I WAS JUST TALKING CRAZY
o god…what have I done?
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Actually—i think its this thing they have at FtF that allows them to ban people…
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I’m nervous to have Sleek and Rudy talking about bans around a sharks fan…
Where is Meg? Or Poseidon? I would feel much more comfortable if either one of them showed up here to help me out…
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Rudy is to banning what…uhhh…fuck it.
I keep waiting, Rudy. KILL ME! I’M HERE!!!
It is that thing that I sent to you.
by whine_country on Dec 16, 2011 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
One time during the playoffs I temporarily banned Rudy sort of as a joke, then I couldn’t figure out how to undo for a while.
Good times.
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I’m sure he understood.
It is that thing that I sent to you.
by whine_country on Dec 16, 2011 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
I banned a guy on BoC just to watch his comments delete.
Rudy Kelly: The Blogger in Black
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 16, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
FTF rarely bans people.
It takes a lot effort to do so
Leslie Knope: "...but it has a lot of heart."
April Ludgate: "That's what people always say when something sucks."
Fear The Fin's Fifth-String Moderator !!
Unfortunately … :)
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
Hey, you’re the one that likes to get opinions from all perspectives!
Leslie Knope: "...but it has a lot of heart."
April Ludgate: "That's what people always say when something sucks."
Fear The Fin's Fifth-String Moderator !!
GOAL!!
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
I’ve decided this is the perfect time for ice cream. Screw stressing out.
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
Oh … I’m a vanilla person. French vanilla, vanilla bean, old fashion vanilla … mmmmmm … you can keep all your fancy flavors, just give me vanilla. :)
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
GOAL!!!
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
GOAL!!!
clearly I need ice cream every Sharks game!!
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
Come on Poseidon, keep it up!
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by Megalodon on Dec 15, 2011 9:44 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
Whoa.
"We will come with our guns blazing, and we just blazed." - Tim Leiweke
by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 15, 2011 9:47 PM PST via mobile reply actions
WIN!!!!
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
I went out for food....
And this happened?
"Thank you very much fans and let’s go for the next game together!"
— Lubomir Visnovsky
I rec’d that shit.
You went out for food.
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
I wonder if it works for Ducks games….
"Thank you very much fans and let’s go for the next game together!"
— Lubomir Visnovsky
I rec’d that shit.
by Steven Hida on Dec 15, 2011 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
Poseidon comes through in dramatic fashion! This is just like the Iliad.
Good job Sharks!
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by Megalodon on Dec 15, 2011 10:13 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I watched the first two periods, and sensing a repeat loss, I just went to laid down and went to sleep with the tv on. I wake up and I see TM on screen with a line that says we won 5-4. Thinking I was dreaming, I went back to bed. Sure enough, as I check it, we did win.
The last time I fell asleep during a game? The Dallas game. I haven’t seen a Sharks win in three weeks. =(
That will teach you to give up.
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
says the lady who temporary turned into pagan… ;)
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
Hail Poseidon!
I’m am going to go sacrifice a goat duck to Athena asking her to give us a PK
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Will Power
The Sharks finally showed the will to match their skill last night. Their intensity in the third period was undeniable. If they can sustain that kind of energy for 3 periods they will be very hard to beat. Kudos to Winchester and Clowe for sparking things with their fights.
I don’t mind if they lose games as long as they go down swinging. It’s the lethargic, uninspired play that bores the hell out of me. When they engage fully, their determination brings out their skill and chemistry. I don’t think Boston had the most talent last season, but they did have the most determination and fight. Those are the things that make hockey (any sport) extremely entertaining, and they are what you need to win in the playoffs.
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It is that thing that I sent to you.
by whine_country on Dec 16, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Awesome, I’m the best one!
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I do what I can.
It is that thing that I sent to you.
by whine_country on Dec 16, 2011 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
My SNL history is fading, but it would also appear that you have a unibrow.
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