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Kings Gameday: Analyzing Dustin Brown

If I had to pick the whipping boy among Kings fans this season, it'd be Terry Murray. Then it'd be Kevin Westgarth. But after them, it'd be Dustin Brown. He's an odd person to dislike: Brown's 26, captain of the team, hits a lot, doesn't take dumb penalties, seems nice enough. And yet, after every Kings' loss, there is talk of benching Brown, mentions of how he isn't a true 1st line player*, and all that jazz.

*Dustin Brown is 15th in scoring among right wingers this season.

The one thing I keep hearing, and the one that bothers me the most, is that he's inconsistent. Why does this bother me so much? Because this is the thing I heard about Frolov, and Cammalleri, and Demitra, and Allison, and Palffy, and every single offensive player on the Kings that isn't Wayne Gretzky. It's said of every hockey player whenever they struggle. It's the first step in the turning of a fanbase onto a certain player.

Not only that, but it isn't true... well, it's true, but it's true of all hockey players. All hockey players are inconsistent or streaky. There is no player in the league who is perfectly consistent on a year-to-year basis. Sidney Crosby is no more consistent than, say, Anze Kopitar, except Crosby fluctuates between 1 and 3-point games instead of 0 and 2-point games like Kopitar does. Brown's no different; he has his good games, and his bad games, and they sometimes line up together to create streaks. It's basic probability. So why does he get so much flak?

The simple answer would be: Dustin Brown's a weenie... so that's it. See you later, everyone!

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But that's not really it. Brown has his struggles but let's compare him to, say, Justin Williams. Here are their game-by-game stats this season:

Brown Williams 10-Game Totals
1 1
1 0
0 2
2 1
1 1
0 0
1 1
0 1
0 1
1 1    7, 9 = 16
0 2
0 1
2 2
1 1
2 1
1 1
0 2
1 0
0 1
0 1    7, 12 = 19
0 1
0 0
0 0
1 1
1 2
1 0
2 1
2 1
2 0
2 1    11, 7 = 19
0 0
4 1
0 1
2 1
2 0
0 0
0 1
0 0
0 1
0 0    8, 5 = 13
1 2
0 0
0 0
2 1
0 1
0 0
0 0
0 1
1 0
0 1    4, 6 = 10
0 0

This is kind of fun to look at, if you ask me. Even more fun? Looking at their numbers in terms of how many points they scored on a given night:

Brown Williams
0-Games 27 19
1-Games 13 27
2-Games 10 6
3-Games 0 0
4-Games 1 0

 

Looking at these, you can tell that Brown is the more boom-or-bust player of the two. He has far more 0-point games than Williams and also has more 2-point games. Williams generally gets his points in 1-point games so in a game-by-game basis he's more consistent. That could explain why fans think Brown struggles more: he has more games where he goes scoreless, which means he's useless if you're not paying attention to the game itself.

But I don't think that's the main reason why Brown gets more flak than Williams. Looking at their 10-game splits, I think you can see why Williams doesn't get as derided as Brown does. Williams had his best 2 months at the beginning of the season, when the Kings were winning a ton. I think fans solidified in their minds that Williams was playing well because he was playing well when the Kings were winning and haven't gone back and reconsidered their opinion. Brown played his best in December, when the Kings went through a very rough patch, so he didn't get a cred built up with the fanbase. They've both fallen off a cliff recently but Williams' struggles in the past 20 games are brushed off while Brown's are put under the microscope.

Plus, there's the whole fact that Brown is the captain and Williams is not, Brown's signed for a bunch more years while Williams is not, Brown's peak is flattening out while Williams has been there for a few years, etc. You know how everyone goes through that phase when they're 26 where they're kind of frustrated by the fact that they're not going to be a millionaire or marry a model or all those stupid things we kind of assumed would happen when we were kids? I think fans go through the same thing with their hockey players. When Brown was 18 it was easy to imagine him as a bruising 80-point scorer that kicked ass and took names and now he's... Dustin Brown and everyone's disappointed. They forget that Dustin Brown is still actually pretty good. If he were more consistent he would be better, but he's not because he isn't better. If he were, he wouldn't be him.*



 

Prediction: Kings win, 4-2. Goals by Brown (x2) and Williams (x2).

*"What?" "Exactly."

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The problem with Brown is sometimes he is a bonehead in the offensive zone. He’s past the stage where he can’t keep the puck on his stick for longer than 2 seconds (where Clifford is now) but he still will try his one on one moves too often and can’t make pretty passes like you would expect a top line RW (like Williams can). He can finish better than Williams but he is just as likely to wrist shot it 3 feet over the net. Also, he’s been the third shootout shooter for two seasons now and has not inspired confidence in that role. I doubt many Kings fans were expecting Brown to score with the game on the line last night (I was impressed he didn’t fall down and knock the net off the moorings). I know messes with his shootout lineup in complete opposite fashion than he does regular line up but maybe Loktionov or Handzus or Stoll or Doughty should rotate in, especially while Johnson is also slumping.

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by Nut on Feb 2, 2011 12:59 PM PST reply actions  

Also, he’s been the third shootout shooter for two seasons now and has not inspired confidence in that role.

The problem I have with criticizing shootout selections is that we have no idea how the guys look in shootouts at practice. Murray has said before that they track every shootout attempt in practice so it’s possible Brown is statistically much better than those other guys. Of course, it’s just as likely Murray thinks Brown is going to grit the puck over the net but the point is we don’t really know.

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by RudyKelly on Feb 2, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

not to mention

there appears to be no or little correlation between past performance and future performance in shoot-out success. The numbers, such as they are, don’t actually predict anything. Murray puts Brown and Johnson out there because he thinks they’re better.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Feb 2, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah but I’ve seen Marty McSorley deke someone out of their socks in practice, but not in a game. Johnson and Kopitar look they are going to score when they shoot, they’re confident. Brown never really looks confident to me. Even when he scores it seems like it’s on accident, like he didn’t expect it to happen. I remember the Versus knob (I think it was Olczyk) questioning Murray for using Johnson, since he hasn’t fared well this season in shootouts. This pissed me off, because to anyone who watches the Kings regularly it’s clear he has the best tools, and, to me, normally seems like he believes he is going to score. I don’t get that from Brown.

For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.

by Nut on Feb 2, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

And yet Johnson has the worst shootout numbers on the team this season. It’s almost as if how confident they look is a stupid thing to consider…

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by RudyKelly on Feb 2, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Heck, even Todd Marchant can put on a good shootout gameface — don’t fall for that like Carlyle did once.

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by Earl Sleek on Feb 2, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s almost as if how confident they look is a stupid thing to consider…

No no no that can’t be it.

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by Megalodon on Feb 2, 2011 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

it's random. and everyone regresses to the mean

everyone who outperforms the average comes down, and no one sucks forever. there is no statistical evidence to support NOT going to jack johnson because he has sucked this year in the shoot-out; it’s as logical as selecting tails because the last four coin-flips have been heads.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Feb 2, 2011 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats true to a point, but if it didn’t matter at all then Westgarth would shoot. And Quick and Garon wouldn’t be any better than Labarbera and Giguere in shootouts. While any given night this is true, I doubt you wouldn’t rather have Quick in net over Labarbera for an important shoot out.

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by Nut on Feb 2, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Quisp was responding to my point that Jack Johnson has sucked in the shootout this season. I was responding to your point that Brown looks unconfident while Johnson looks confident. Quisp will respond to this comment refuting something you said. And around and around it’ll go…

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by RudyKelly on Feb 2, 2011 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

It doesn’t matter, everyone will eventually respond to everyone, its a statistical eventuality. If they’re confident.

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by Nut on Feb 2, 2011 4:11 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I always post with The Look.™

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by RudyKelly on Feb 2, 2011 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

you're right at the extremes

labarbera is especially bad at shoot outs. i assume westgarth is, also. but if you limit the pool to the players actually selected, a high degree of randomness creeps in.

when you look at the goalie shootout stats, you do frequently see better goalies being outperformed by mediocre ones.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Feb 2, 2011 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Clutch matters, you ignorant wretch

For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.

by Nut on Feb 2, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Feb 2, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Tell that to Bill James

Or any sabremetrician, for that matter. One thing that many sabremetricians have argued forcefully almost since the beginning of the discipline is that clutch hitting is largely an illusion, mainly because of the small sample size.

Which kind of goes with what Rudy and Quisp are arguing here.

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by DougX on Feb 2, 2011 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Bah.

For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.

by Nut on Feb 3, 2011 7:24 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

One of the things that I’ve always liked about sabremetrics is that the people who follow the discipline usually have better-reasoned arguments than, “Bah!” :-)

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by DougX on Feb 3, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Well it makes sense over the course of a season, but most coaches aren’t going to avoid changing their shooters in a shootout or who they put out on the ice in a power play or at the end of the game because percentages say they are going to play out a certain way. And It never worked for the A’s (unless you think the Predators are really successful too) (Also, I’m assuming sabremetrics is like Moneyball without looking it up, so if I’m wrong ignore me)

For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.

by Nut on Feb 3, 2011 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Tangent warning

Not germane to the main discussion, but I have a strong feeling that Murray put Johnson on the shootout list to take advantage of what he had coming right out of college — skill moves. He hadn’t learned how to play D at the NHL level yet, but he had the moves. The shootout gave him a way to contribute while he learned (painfully) how to, y’know, play defense.

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by DougX on Feb 2, 2011 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

The problem with Brown getzlaf is sometimes he is a bonehead in the offensive zone.

2 more games of not having to worry about that..then getzlaf comes back…it was nice

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Feb 2, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

IM GOING IM GOING

i get to see drew doughty. oooooooooooooooooohmyflipping gosh im going to have a seizure. hooooly crap.

by DoughlarBear on Feb 2, 2011 2:15 PM PST reply actions  

How was Brayden?

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by RudyKelly on Feb 2, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Uhm brayden was flipinghot . But I’m actually gunna date dalton thrower, #47. He looked at me four times during the game cause I sat by the bench. But uhm I get to see drew and kyle and anze and my brains gunna implode

by DoughlarBear on Feb 2, 2011 4:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I meant like did he score or play well but all right.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Feb 2, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

He scored! It was so good. He got a star too.
:)

by DoughlarBear on Feb 2, 2011 9:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

You survived the last seizure? nice!

by Scottyknow on Feb 2, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Brown isn’t the only one who’s surprised when he scores.

by Scottyknow on Feb 2, 2011 4:46 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

GUYS WE WON . AND I WAS THERE. DREW SCORES FOR ME. OHMYGOODNESS GUYS. I WAS ON THE JUMBOTRON TOO.

by DoughlarBear on Feb 2, 2011 9:20 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Hate to break your heart

But his goal was given to Smyth, for waving his stick at it as it went by. :-/

Congrats for getting on the Jumbotron, though!

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by DougX on Feb 2, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

WHAT?!?! I WAS THERE. THAT WAS DREWS. WTF.

Yeah my friend was all sitting bored and I saw her on the jumbortrona nd I got into the frame and then they moved the camera to me and then I held the kings symbol on my shirt up! FIRST TIME on jumbotron
I’m giving that goal to drew but two points is two points eh

by DoughlarBear on Feb 2, 2011 9:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

How old are you, out of curiosity?

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by Nut on Feb 2, 2011 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

And then I saw ryan smyths nephew cause I talked to him cause he had a sick jersey and I asked for a pic with him and he SHUT ME DOWN

by DoughlarBear on Feb 2, 2011 10:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, I thought it was his, too

I was surprised. But overall, it was very encouraging to see him play that well tonight. I think he’s going to have a monster second half of the season.

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by DougX on Feb 2, 2011 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

It was good cause it made up for the factthat drew pree much gave oil their goal

by DoughlarBear on Feb 2, 2011 10:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah he did. He was flopping all over the place

For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.

by Nut on Feb 3, 2011 7:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, it looks like the official scorer listened to you :-)

Per Rich Hammond this morning, Drew now gets credit for both PP goals.

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by DougX on Feb 3, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

omg! :)

HE ALMOST GOT A HATTY THEN!
this is so good. so exciting.
makes my whole darn day

by DoughlarBear on Feb 3, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

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