Kings Gameday: Band of Brothers
by RudyKelly on Apr 25, 2011 9:48 AM PDT
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Well, the Kings live on to fight another day. Despite getting outchanced and outshot in game 5, the Kings got up big early and held on late to force a game 6. The Kings capitalized on 2 San Jose miscues, one by Dan Boyle and the other by Niclas Wallin, and that seemed to be the difference.* The Sharks themselves got their lone goal on a miscue by Drew Doughty, but otherwise the defense was stout if timid, giving the Sharks plenty of chances but limiting them to one chance at a time.
*Fun fact: Niclas Wallin has been on the ice for the most goals against of any Sharks player. I love that guy!
The Kings new lines were... eh. The 3rd line scored the 1st 2 goals, yet again leading the way despite meager minutes. Scott Parse, in his first game since 2010, played alright, almost getting an assist on a Justin Williams goal. ...Of course, he also almost had an assist on Logan Couture's bid alone in front of Quick in the 3rd, but a little rust has to be expected.
Otherwise, Handzus continued to get dominated and Lewis fared not much better. Jarret Stoll and Dustin Penner played well in easy minutes, with Penner getting his first goal in years a few games. It's great that the Kings won that match-up but I'm not sure it's worth winning that battle if it means we're losing the 2nd line battle... and yet Stoll was losing that battle all series so it was worth mixing it up.
Basically, it doesn't really matter what line combos the Kings put out there, they're probably going to lose that battle. It comes down to hoping that one person will win the game by themselves. Doughty won game 2, Quick won game 5. Hopefully Anze Kopitar can... oh right. I forgot. Dammit. Maybe Ryan Smyth?
Prediction: Kings win thanks to... John Zeiler???? OH MY GAWD I DON'T BELIEVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!
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*Fun fact: Niclas Wallin has been on the ice for the most goals against of any Sharks player.
There is nothing “fun” about this fact.
Los Angeles, like Hell, is not easily conquered.
Battle of California
this is not reassuring.
three down ... thirteen to go.
by sixteen.wins on Apr 25, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
John Zeiler
Sweet baby jeebus, Rudy! Don’t you scare me like that on a Monday morning! I almost ran straight into the supply room to begin huffing rubber cement and white out.
Free Oscar Moeller
by DodgerBlueBalls on Apr 25, 2011 10:30 AM PDT reply actions
ran straight into the supply room to begin huffing rubber cement and white out.
I just call this any old Monday
Hey Foxy, would you call that a doh-si-doh or a dipsy doodle?
by Lilly on Apr 25, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRj01LShXN8
We few, we merry few, we band of brothers!
And Lord Stanley’s Cup shall ne’er go by,
From this day to the ending of the playoffs,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood on the ice
Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in Los Angeles now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs’d they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That scored with us upon St. Marcel’s Day.
"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England
by Calvert on Apr 25, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Band of Brothers
You guys have it all wrong, he’s referencing the Jonas Brothers.
Los Angeles, like Hell, is not easily conquered.
Battle of California
Are you sure?
I thought he was talking about Hanson…
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Jonas Bros vs. Hanson Bros would make an exellent Celebrity Death Match.
by meetyourmako on Apr 25, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
My favorite Billy Zane movie
is Back to the Future 2.
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The Phantom.
Also, it’s really sad for both of us that we have a “favorite Billy Zane movie.” On the other hand,
Tombstone, FTW.
Go Sharks!
I have a Twitter account and I have a blog, but I don't have time to write more than 140 characters at a time.
Man, all this time I thought you were talking about Steve Zahn.
by meetyourmako on Apr 25, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s pretty good in several movies. Happy, Texas, Daddy Day Care, and That Thing You Do.
Oh yeah, and Billy Zane was good in Zoolander, too. “Put a cork in it, Zane!”
I have a Twitter account and I have a blog, but I don't have time to write more than 140 characters at a time.
That Thing You Do
Banned.
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Apr 25, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
So Daddy Day Care was ok with you Dodger?
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
Wasn’t he also in Banditas, where Penelope Cruz and Salma Hayek dress like whores and practice making out on him?
I can’t be certain; he wasn’t the stand-out in that picture.
by meetyourmako on Apr 25, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Jeff Garlin is our generation’s Sheeley Berman. I can pardon the occasional transgression.
Free Oscar Moeller
by DodgerBlueBalls on Apr 25, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Steve Zahn was funny in That Thing You Do. I didn’t say it was a good movie.
I have a Twitter account and I have a blog, but I don't have time to write more than 140 characters at a time.
Let's stop with the Billy Zane tangent and digress this Kings Gameday thread back onto topic...
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Apr 25, 2011 12:20 PM PDT reply actions
Nah.
I have a Twitter account and I have a blog, but I don't have time to write more than 140 characters at a time.
If you want to kill time before the game, I wrote a thing.
by RudyKelly on Apr 25, 2011 1:07 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
Well, it stung a little, I guess.
Hahaha, success! IN YOUR FACE!
…Yeah I don’t know either but I’m not going to pass up an opportunity to troll Ducks fans, especially the ones that don’t normally read this blog or Anaheim Calling.
Just bad allocation, is all — you should have got the Sharks’ assignment, I’d think. I mean, you’re definitely watching those games.
www.battleofcali.com
Nobody was watching the Ducks play outside of L.A. and Nashville. I can’t think of a better person to eulogize the Ducks than Rudy.
by meetyourmako on Apr 25, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Or “done” before every verb used in the past tense.
"Prepare your bladder for imminent release!" — Invader Zim
don’t forget you can also insert “fixin’ to”
"My, my, here's one for the (no) neck. Don't relax, 'cause you're next for the check!"
Yeah, but it’s nice to have a “disinterested” party so that the Eulogy is not just a long “IN YOUR FACE” article. It also makes sense because the Kings and Ducks share the same hometown so Kings fans are more likely have better followed the Ducks’ regular season than Nashville fans. The predators and the Ducks aren’t exactly rivals.
by meetyourmako on Apr 25, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yes. Sorry to bring up a sore subject, but I was disappointed with the Sharks Eulogy last season.
Free Oscar Moeller
by DodgerBlueBalls on Apr 25, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I should rephrase that. I was very disappointed that a Kings or Ducks fan did not write last year’s Shark eulogy. Even a Stars or Red Wings fan would be a much better choice.
Free Oscar Moeller
by DodgerBlueBalls on Apr 25, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure, if Kings fans didn’t have any other series to pay attention to this round, it’d make sense.
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Rudy’s eulogy was more about the whole season long than specifically the playoffs.
Los Angeles, like Hell, is not easily conquered.
Battle of California
Gotcha — thanks for the spell-out.
Did seem dismissive about postseason suspensions, though — not sure what that’s being compared against.
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They point to the suspensions of Bobby Ryan and Jarkko Ruutu as evidence of this conspiracy. This is nonsense, of course. It’s classic paranoid delusional thinking wherein one blames imaginary hostile forces for personal failures.
- Rudy
Besides, it is evidence that the Ducks are getting screwed in whatever way is convenient.
…
We’re not the only team that could be suspended under such wide guidelines, but Colin’s going a bit out of his way to make sure all interpretations of the rulebook apply negatively to us.
- Earl Sleek Apr 22, 2011 11:34 AM PDT
by meetyourmako on Apr 25, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
That was not helpful, but thanks anyways!
My question isn’t what I said three days ago, but rather why actual suspensions occur or don’t occur. Why isn’t Mike Richards suspended, for example? G5 or G6 — take your pick.
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It is true that nobody knows how a suspension will come down one way or another. I guess I misunderstood your quandry.
by meetyourmako on Apr 25, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
what the hell were you getting at then?
by meetyourmako on Apr 25, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
you dont question socrates or rudy kelly’s greatness
Im a sad bitch right now thanks alot patos:-(
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 25, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
In Russia Greece, Socrates questions you!
by meetyourmako on Apr 25, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually yes
that’s the Socratic method.
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by PNK on Apr 25, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
that was just the first person that came to mind…I kinda forget what he was about
Im a sad bitch right now thanks alot patos:-(
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 25, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
He just questioned people mercilessly until they had to admit they didn’t know what the fuck they were talking about.
by meetyourmako on Apr 25, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Everybody would like to see consistency in how suspensions are handed out. Some people see inconsistent discipline from the league as proof that everyone hates their favorite team and wants them to fail, instead of just simple incompetence from league officials.
Los Angeles, like Hell, is not easily conquered.
Battle of California
by Megalodon on Apr 25, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nobody was watching the Ducks play outside of
L.A.Orange County
Fixed. There is a significant difference, amigo.
Free Oscar Moeller
by DodgerBlueBalls on Apr 25, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Obsessive Compulsive Disorder
also known as the OC Disorder…
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"You are down with the homies, my friend." - Randy Hahn
Kent Huskins cares.
by PNK on Apr 25, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
There were...
There were a few Wings fans watching because we hate Anaheim as well. Anaheim sucks.
Rudy - Came across your Eulogy on PuckDaddy. Very funny (and true about their first line). I don’t know how I’ve never come across this site as a Winging It In Motown reader, but nicely done.
by Good Ol' Oakley on Apr 25, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, everybody hates the Ducks. I also said that in reference to the fact that none of their series’ games were televised nationally.
by meetyourmako on Apr 25, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
all right more boc readers..well done rudy
Im a sad bitch right now thanks alot patos:-(
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 25, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice work, Rudy. If only management would take notice.
I have a Twitter account and I have a blog, but I don't have time to write more than 140 characters at a time.
The people commenting on the eulogy on Puck Daddy are some of the dumbest mother fuckers that have ever drooled onto a computer keyboard. Jesus Christ.
I include myself, of course, for wasting my time trying to correct them.
Los Angeles, like Hell, is not easily conquered.
Battle of California
by Megalodon on Apr 25, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay so apparently you can’t even say “damn” in the comments. I softened up my language for nothing.
Los Angeles, like Hell, is not easily conquered.
Battle of California
by Megalodon on Apr 25, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It looks better that way
because I read it as you’re fucking idiot.
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"You are down with the homies, my friend." - Randy Hahn
Kent Huskins cares.
Oh geez, I heard Bettman’s new rule was that if the eulogy wasn’t funny enough, the team gets to play the last game over!
I have a Twitter account and I have a blog, but I don't have time to write more than 140 characters at a time.
Although it would have certainly gotten you banned at In Lou We Trust, your response to “Thecommish” on the yahoo message board is about as spot on as you could be.
Free Oscar Moeller
by DodgerBlueBalls on Apr 25, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Man those comments are bumming me out. So many stupid, stupid people.
Los Angeles, like Hell, is not easily conquered.
Battle of California
Yeah, but the assignment made it tough — I’m sure Sharks fans would lash out if a Coyotes fan or something wrote their eulogy.
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Talking trash back is fine, that’s what I expect from this. What I can’t believe is the sheer number of people who seem baffled by the concept of the article.
Los Angeles, like Hell, is not easily conquered.
Battle of California
I gave up on Puck Daddy commentors a long time ago. 95% are complete idiots.
Actually, 99%.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner.
Liberty is well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin
by kk_gizmo on Apr 25, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
as opposed to BoC commentors
100% of which are idiots…
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"You are down with the homies, my friend." - Randy Hahn
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you have wounded me deep PNK…deep
Im a sad bitch right now thanks alot patos:-(
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 25, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I are not a idiot.
I have a Twitter account and I have a blog, but I don't have time to write more than 140 characters at a time.
There was… absolutely nothing funny about that. That was basically just a Kings fan talking about how bad he thinks the Ducks are.
I’m getting an aneurysm.
Los Angeles, like Hell, is not easily conquered.
Battle of California
I can’t wait for tomorrow, when we get to read the Kings eulogy after they lose again to San Jose tonight. Kings have never won a Cup and never will. So who is more irreverent in the NHL now??
You hear that, Rudy? YOU are the irreverent one!
Los Angeles, like Hell, is not easily conquered.
Battle of California
by Megalodon on Apr 25, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
YOU are the irreverent one!
He’s right!
Hey rudy kelly go jump off a bridge because come tuesday your team will be fishing or what ever them do after a season. time for you to get a life or end it what ever. because the lakers are going down too! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
…Spade?
by RudyKelly on Apr 25, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
why are u pestering me..im still in mourning…i thought your eulogy was good..even though i do agree with it
Shark fans in a "frenzy" after another playoff ouster
Go Ducks!
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 25, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
oops dont..whatever
Shark fans in a "frenzy" after another playoff ouster
Go Ducks!
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 25, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
the lakers will be fine..just sleepwalking during the early rounds like always…them and the dodgers are my only solace now..i wish we could play the cubs everyday
Shark fans in a "frenzy" after another playoff ouster
Go Ducks!
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 25, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Have they been good? I never start paying attention until the Kings are out of it. Usually that means I get to catch up during Spring Training but lately…
i havent paid attention much either except last weekend…i think kemp is on fire..and this sands person seems like a find…i got all the time in the world now..dooooohhh
Im a sad bitch right now thanks alot patos:-(
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 25, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Dodgers offense seems to have awakened over the last week or so. Sands looks promising, and there may be a couple more prospects in the system who will be ready to contribute sometime this year. Kershaw has been pitching up to expectations, Billingsley maybe a little bit above. Pitching should be okay.
But as for the offense, I wish there was more depth, especially with Furcal out. At least, if Sands works out, they won’t have to start Marcus Thames in LF.
"Prepare your bladder for imminent release!" — Invader Zim
gracias for the update..im watching now
Im a sad bitch right now thanks alot patos:-(
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 25, 2011 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
haha
Sad that as someone who only watches the game for fantasy baseball stats and has never drafted Furcal, I can confirm this.
I have a Twitter account and I have a blog, but I don't have time to write more than 140 characters at a time.
Well, to be fair
that wasn’t a very well written article by Wyshynski
Fear The Fin's Fifth-String Moderator !!
by idunno723 on Apr 25, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
RK, did they do much editing of the article before it got posted?
Free Oscar Moeller
by DodgerBlueBalls on Apr 25, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Just made the paragraphs smaller and, of course, edited out numerous spelling and grammatical errors.
you will be my finest general..Ill let you dress like general custer
Shark fans in a "frenzy" after another playoff ouster
Go Ducks!
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 25, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Only if Maggie can too. I already taught her how to stand. Now I just need to teach her to keep a secret…
by RudyKelly on Apr 25, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is the Duck wearing spats?
What the hell are those?
by meetyourmako on Apr 25, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice. You just got down to business dishing out the cold hard truth. I like it.
Now who’s gonna do the Kings’ eulogy? Meg or Earl?
Booooo! I love how Kings fans claim that we only have one or two lines when they barely have a second line and three third lines.
by ScottyKnows on Apr 27, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Must be school picture day with everyone lined up by height
Avalanche Shutouts are a powerful Aphrodisiac
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Apr 25, 2011 1:31 PM PDT reply actions
It looks like Doughty is taking a head-count or playing Duck, Duck, Goose.
by meetyourmako on Apr 25, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
the commentors are idiots…dont get the spirit of the whole eulogy thing at all…its funny to read there stupidity
we lost..we deserve whatever ridicule…ugggg…sad panda…new sig ……meg give a brotha a handjob to make me feel better
Im a sad bitch right now thanks alot patos:-(
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 25, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
meg give a brotha a handjob to make me feel better
I’m not sure how my jerking off a black dude will make you feel better, but okay.
Los Angeles, like Hell, is not easily conquered.
Battle of California
by Megalodon on Apr 25, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
the thought of your hairy white hand jerking off a black man….would i think bring joy to everyone
Im a sad bitch right now thanks alot patos:-(
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 25, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Series Corsi and Zone Starts
A few observations:
-Kevin Westgarth pretty much starts in the O-zone the most and ends in the D-Zone the most. This is not good. He proabably shouldn’t be playing even in spite of the fact that Wayne Gretzky jumped into his body for a second in game 5.
-Dany Heatley is having an awful series. -13 corsi rel yet he starts in the opposing zone 80% of the time? Does he know which way to shoot?
-Rob Scuderi’s numbers are suprisingly hideous.
-Jack Johnson’s numbers are way better than I expected them to be.
-Mitchell/Pavelski/Wellwood are destroying the Kings.
-Ben Eager sucks.
Scott Parse actually had a spectacular game if you look at the fact that he was a corsi +/ 0 (when he wasn’t on the ice the team was -44 (ouch)) yet started in the o-zone only 37% of the time.
-Brad Richardson is the next Joe Sakic.
Quite possibly the only LA Kings fan living in Brooklyn, New York.
I haven’t been really looking into the Norris trophy candidates but isn’t it a pretty big snub that Lubo wasn’t a finalist? He’s got the most points and a better +/- than Lidstrom or Weber.
Yeah
I always thought that they gave the Norris to the highest scoring defenseman (not that I agree with that).
They need 2 d-men awards, they need an offensive d-man award and a defensive d-man award.
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It makes more sense when you think of it in terms of whom you’d rather have on your team. Weber and Lidstrom would still be at the top of my list.
by meetyourmako on Apr 25, 2011 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure that’s the criteria, though — it’s a regular season performance award.
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There is no official criteria. Just like the Vezina and the Calder and the Hart and the Selke and the Masterton.
by meetyourmako on Apr 26, 2011 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure, but there is a basis for it — the 82 game schedule.
Not your ideal fantasy draft or whatever.
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there is a basis for it — the 82 game schedule.
Lidstrom and Weber are more desireable players over the 82 game schedule.
Not your ideal fantasy draft or whatever.
Fantasy hockey statistics are the only thing Visnovsky has going for him.
by meetyourmako on Apr 26, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
There is no official criteria. Just like the Vezina and the Calder and the Hart and the Selke and the Masterton.
…and suspensions.
by meetyourmako on Apr 26, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Lidstrom and Weber are more desireable players over the 82 game schedule.
So you’d rather have less points and a more minus season than one with more points and more pluses?
It’s certainly an odd argument, but I do have to say, your dedication to your bias is excellent.
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You’re entire argument is based off of two statistics. I mean that there are other attributes which make a defenseman valuable.
Leadership, physicality, the ability to kill penalties, and not being a damn dirty duck are only the first that come to mind.
by meetyourmako on Apr 26, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
How can you possibly award an individual award without judging an individual player?
“Judging the season”? That doesn’t make any sense.
I think this season was better than last season, so I’m giving the Norris to Shea Weber.
by meetyourmako on Apr 26, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, it’s a disjoint that probably makes this conversation useless.
You’d rather judge the player’s abilities and leadership; I’d rather judge the season’s results. Two different approaches, and I don’t know that it makes sense to keep reiterating each of them.
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Well, the season’s results are that the Red Wings finished higher in the standings with more wins than the Ducks and fewer shots on goal and fewer goals against.*
*all claims completely unsubstantiated.
by meetyourmako on Apr 26, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Sigh — if Dan Boyle had put up Lubo’s season, would you expect a Norris nod? If not, then fine. If so, and if the difference is that he’s not Lubo, then that’s where I disagree.
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by Earl Sleek on Apr 26, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe I would; it’s hard to tell what to expect when you’re playing on the best coast. But I think Mike Green getting passed over for the Norris Trophy and the Canadian Olympic roster in the past few years is a strong indication that points and +/- are not the first or only factors in determining the best defensemen.
by meetyourmako on Apr 26, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
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