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Big game tonight -- Rudy's outlined the stakes below, and I'll be around for the dramatic game comments.

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No new cartoon today -- thought I'd lazily go back to a classic.

Instead of previewing tonight's game, though, I thought I'd turn a bit of focus on the ol' Hart Trophy debate, which seems to have basically boiled down to Vancouver's Daniel Sedin vs. Anaheim's Corey Perry.  Now I don't care that much whether Perry wins this thing or not; if it was a contract year, I'd be solidly against it, but there's no extension talks coming too soon.  Admittedly, I do think it would be kind of cool for the Canuck twins to win it back-to-back, but really either superstar is fine with me.  Regardless, it is nice to see the primary candidates coming from outside of the east coast's viewing hours.

Anyways, for today's post, I wanted to narrow in on one aspect of the debate: does the fact that Corey Perry plays in the Pacific Division while Daniel Sedin plays in the Northwest Division affect the scoring race?

On the surface, this seems to be a potentially-compelling question -- the Ducks, after all, play in a division featuring the 7th, 10th, 13th, and 15th-best defensive teams in the league.  The Canucks, meanwhile, play in a division featuring the 17th, 18th, 29th, and 30th-best defensive teams in the league.  Collectively, Anaheim's division rivals have allowed 827 goals this season, while Vancouver's division rivals have allowed 985 -- there's definitely a difference.  (Granted, some of this difference is the result of the Northwest having to play Vancouver so often, so don't take the difference as absolute.)

But how does the divisional dynamic affect our two Hart candidates?  Let's take a look at how each player has done in the two divisions, first Perry vs. the Pacific (note: I'm listing teams alphabetically in these tables for easier cross-comparison):

Corey Perry vs. Pacific GP G A Pts Pts/gm
Dallas Stars 6 4 4 8 1.33
Los Angeles Kings 4 2 0 2 0.50
Phoenix Coyotes 6 6 4 10 1.67
San Jose Sharks 6 5 6 11 1.83
Total 22 17 14 31 1.41

Perry's done well against his Pacific rivals this season; he has a higher point-per-game average within the division than outside of it (1.14 points per game).  However, he's done a little better against the Northwest opponents that Daniel Sedin plays against:

Corey Perry vs. Northwest GP G A Pts Pts/gm
Calgary Flames
4 4 4 8 2.00
Colorado Avalanche
4 4 3 7 1.75
Edmonton Oilers
4 0 2 2 0.50
Minnesota Wild 4 4 3 7 1.75
Total 16 12 12 24 1.50

Even though there's a points-per-game difference, it's pretty slight.  Had six of Perry's Pacific Division games been transferred to Northwest opponents, his point total would mathematically increase from 97 points to 98 -- not much of an increase.

After the jump, how would the reverse-switch mathematically affect Daniel Sedin's totals?

Star-divide

Daniel Sedin vs. the Pacific Division, excluding Anaheim -- these are the teams Perry plays against:

Daniel Sedin vs. Pacific GP G A Pts Pts/gm
Dallas Stars 4 3 6 9 2.25
Los Angeles Kings 4 3 2 5 1.25
Phoenix Coyotes 4 0 5 5 1.25
San Jose Sharks 4 2 4 6 1.50
Total 16 8 17 25 1.56

Wowzers -- Daniel has been tearing up the Pacific Division this season.  In fact, his anti-Pacific results are significantly better than his scoring rate against the "easier" Northwest:

Daniel Sedin vs. Northwest
GP G A Pts Pts/gm
Calgary Flames
5 4 3 7 1.40
Colorado Avalanche
6 1 7 8 1.33
Edmonton Oilers
6 3 3 6 1.00
Minnesota Wild
6 3 3 6 1.00
Total 23 11 16 27 1.17

Compared to his Pacific results, this table is underwhelming -- it appears that Daniel Sedin's scoring totals aren't being particularly helped by his division.  In fact, if seven of Daniel's northwest games were transferred to be against Perry's Pacific opponents, his points total would mathematically increase -- from 104 to 107.  This is because Daniel Sedin feasts on the Pacific -- if you include Anaheim, he has scored more points against the Pacific Division (32 points in 20 games) than against the Northwest division (27 in 23).

So no, it doesn't seem that Daniel's scoring lead can be attributed to feasting on lesser divisional opponents -- he's actually done better against Perry's divisional opponents than his own.   And just to complete the cycle, here's their numbers against each other -- Sedin wins this contest, too.

Head to Head GP G A Pts Pts/gm
Corey Perry vs. Vancouver 4 2 2 4 1.00
Daniel Sedin vs. Anaheim 4 4 3 7 1.75

All this said, the Hart Trophy is not the Art Ross Trophy -- it will be decided on a varied group of voters based on some varied definition of "valuable", and because of the Ducks' relative situation, it's still definitely possible for Perry to take the award -- if he shines over the next two games, he may even be a front-runner.  All I hope that I've shown today is that at least based on results we've seen so far, Daniel has a pretty legitimate scoring title lead even in an easier division.  He's putting up very impressive numbers against good defensive teams as well.

Prediction: Why would the Ducks clinch today when they could more dramatically do it tomorrow?  :)

Go Ducks.

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awesome analysis….i feel sad now though..luckily voters dont look that in depth..at least I dont think so..well c what happens..lets hopes perry embarrasses another cali foe tonite

ill be here tonite in the comments …go ducks!!

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 8, 2011 12:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, fortunately a lot of people won’t go indepth in thinking through this, and also fortunately, BoC will never get featured on NHL.com. :)

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 8, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

If only we had twin Perrys. haha

by ScottyKnows on Apr 8, 2011 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

I’ve been trying to imagine some future mimic of the Sedins using Adam Perry, but I dunno — two Perrys might be less effective than one. :)

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 8, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Instead of having two Perry’s, we should totally sign this guy

That will totally help us confuse people even more.

by Wooster11 on Apr 8, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh, and I recommend Anaheim Calling’s piece on this topic, which I didn’t read until now — much more thorough than my singular analysis today.

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 8, 2011 12:15 PM PDT reply actions  

does the fact that Corey Perry plays in the Pacific Division while Daniel Sedin plays in the Northwest Division affect the scoring race?

the question should be “does the fact that Corey Perry plays for the Ducks affect his chances?”

Or

“does the fact that Corey Perry is Corey Perry affect his chances?”

GO SHARKS!
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by Angy on Apr 8, 2011 12:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Those are two separate studies, but “yes” and “yes”.

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 8, 2011 12:41 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Each of those facts disqualifies him in my book. Also for the Rocket Richard.

by meetyourmako on Apr 8, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fantastic cartoon, by the way. Did you trace that image?

by meetyourmako on Apr 8, 2011 12:53 PM PDT reply actions  

No, but I was staring straight at the source material. It was a mental trace.

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 8, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Part of it was the scanner I was using back then, too — it would add a thin white line around my black lines, an effect I really can’t re-create to this day.

But I carry on!

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 8, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

You do good work.

It’s not applicable anymore, but I still love the one with the duck dropping out of the wc playoff race and mining for goalies.

by meetyourmako on Apr 8, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

You do do good work.

by DoughlarBear on Apr 8, 2011 3:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Definitely some great work Earl. I was thinking about this and wondering if Sedin in the Northwest actually did matter. I’m also curious if time on ice plays a factor here. Because seriously, Sedin’s numbers in the NW might be low just because he doesn’t really have to play that much against that crappy division.
NW = only 1 playoff team.
Pacific = 4 and maybe even 5 playoff teams.

by Wooster11 on Apr 8, 2011 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

The other day I caught the tail end of the Canucks’ radio announcers talking about how it was ridiculous that Luongo wasn’t getting Vezina consideration. Canucks’ media really needs to go fuck itself.

For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.

by Nut on Apr 8, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why?

Luongo is third in SV% and second in GAA. That’s not Vezina finalist worthy??

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
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by Semi_Colon on Apr 8, 2011 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

So he’s first in nothing?

"Thank you very much fans and let’s go for the next game together!"

— Lubomir Visnovsky

I rec’d that shit.

by Steven Hida on Apr 9, 2011 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, wins

But that’s not really a measure of a goaltender, that’s pretty team dependent

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
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by Semi_Colon on Apr 9, 2011 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ellis and Hiller tonight.

4 D FOWLER, CAM
5 D SBISA, LUCA
8 R SELANNE, TEEMU
9 R RYAN, BOBBY
10 R PERRY, COREY
11 C KOIVU, SAKU
15 C GETZLAF, RYAN
16 R PARROS, GEORGE
17 D VISNOVSKY, LUBOMIR
19 L WINCHESTER, BRAD
21 D BROOKBANK, SHELDON
23 D BEAUCHEMIN, FRANCOIS
28 C CHIPCHURA, KYLE
32 D LYDMAN, TONI
33 L BLAKE, JASON
37 L RUUTU, JARKKO
39 L BELESKEY, MATT
64 C MCMILLAN, BRANDON
1 G HILLER, JONAS
38 G ELLIS, DAN

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 8, 2011 6:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh, and Marchant’s got the flu — Chipchura!

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 8, 2011 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m starting to think that a SoCal playoff series might seem pretty boring. :)

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 8, 2011 7:26 PM PDT reply actions  

haha…

Archer: Well, first of all, you don't have to yell. I don't have ear cancer.
Go Ducks!
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 8, 2011 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, this is pretty boring as fuck.

"Thank you very much fans and let’s go for the next game together!"

— Lubomir Visnovsky

I rec’d that shit.

by Steven Hida on Apr 8, 2011 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, there’s some drama.

Boo.

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 8, 2011 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fuck i miss it when it was boring

"Thank you very much fans and let’s go for the next game together!"

— Lubomir Visnovsky

I rec’d that shit.

by Steven Hida on Apr 8, 2011 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec

Archer: Well, first of all, you don't have to yell. I don't have ear cancer.
Go Ducks!
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 8, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

fuckin nice turnover assholes

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Go Ducks!
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 8, 2011 7:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Hell yes.

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 8, 2011 7:36 PM PDT reply actions  

there u go stache…get somthing going

Archer: Well, first of all, you don't have to yell. I don't have ear cancer.
Go Ducks!
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Apr 8, 2011 8:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Good work, Moustache — nicely timed.

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 8, 2011 8:06 PM PDT reply actions  

ducks arent making the playoffs.
calling it.

by DoughlarBear on Apr 8, 2011 8:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Kings ain’t winning the cup.

Calling it.

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 8, 2011 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn…Beat me to it.

"Thank you very much fans and let’s go for the next game together!"

— Lubomir Visnovsky

I rec’d that shit.

by Steven Hida on Apr 8, 2011 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kings make it to ATLEAST the second round.
can i call two things?
calling it.

by DoughlarBear on Apr 8, 2011 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah just like last season.

"Thank you very much fans and let’s go for the next game together!"

— Lubomir Visnovsky

I rec’d that shit.

by Steven Hida on Apr 8, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

..what?
was that sarcasm?
i dont even understand.
apparently drew got a haircut, which worries me.

by DoughlarBear on Apr 8, 2011 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Teemu should worry you more.

"Thank you very much fans and let’s go for the next game together!"

— Lubomir Visnovsky

I rec’d that shit.

by Steven Hida on Apr 8, 2011 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

youre a real hilarious guy.
YOU KNOW THAT?

by DoughlarBear on Apr 8, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hellooooooo, everybody!!

Thought I poke in as I haven’t been here in a while;)

"Soo many games, soo little time"

by The Ram on Apr 8, 2011 8:19 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Why, hello, The RaTEEEEEEMMMUUUUU!!!! WOOOOOOO!!!

I mean, hi.

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 8, 2011 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Greeting, fail:[

"Soo many games, soo little time"

by The Ram on Apr 8, 2011 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

is his nickname REALLY the finnish flash?
DO YOU ACTUALLY CALL HIM THAT?
thats what the announcers are saying.

by DoughlarBear on Apr 8, 2011 8:22 PM PDT reply actions  

It’s been that since forever. Since Winnipeg, I assume, maybe earlier.

He can have whatever nickname he wants, really.

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 8, 2011 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously, he was in the military and he’s a fucking racecar driver. He can do whatever he wants.

"Thank you very much fans and let’s go for the next game together!"

— Lubomir Visnovsky

I rec’d that shit.

by Steven Hida on Apr 8, 2011 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was a kindergarten teacher too, I think.

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 8, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah Its been his nickname for longer than I can remember.

"Thank you very much fans and let’s go for the next game together!"

— Lubomir Visnovsky

I rec’d that shit.

by Steven Hida on Apr 8, 2011 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

thats the worst nickname ive ever heard.
because its his nickname.

by DoughlarBear on Apr 8, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

"Soo many games, soo little time"

by The Ram on Apr 8, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess we could call him “Quickbeater” today, if that’ll help.

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 8, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thats also Jack Johnson’s nickname in an unrelated note.

"Thank you very much fans and let’s go for the next game together!"

— Lubomir Visnovsky

I rec’d that shit.

by Steven Hida on Apr 8, 2011 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

who told you ducks fans that youre funny?
they lied.

:) no offense.

don't doubt the dough.

by DoughlarBear on Apr 8, 2011 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exhale.

OK, Perry, it’s a tied third period and I expect some Hart voters are watching — your chance to slime. :)

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 8, 2011 8:40 PM PDT reply actions  

wweeehuuuu.
the finnish-penalty-getter

don't doubt the dough.

by DoughlarBear on Apr 8, 2011 9:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Cagey move from the veteran — since Kopitar’s injury, seems the best way to keep the Kings from scoring.

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 8, 2011 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

QUICKKILLER!!!!!

WOOOOOO!!!!

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 8, 2011 9:07 PM PDT reply actions  

ARE YOU KITTEN ME.

don't doubt the dough.

by DoughlarBear on Apr 8, 2011 9:07 PM PDT reply actions  

That power play was god awful.

"Thank you very much fans and let’s go for the next game together!"

— Lubomir Visnovsky

I rec’d that shit.

by Steven Hida on Apr 8, 2011 9:13 PM PDT reply actions  

They just started playing Friday by Rebecca Black on the ducks feed I have.
Dear goodness…

don't doubt the dough.

by DoughlarBear on Apr 8, 2011 9:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Well, at least it’s the right day of the week.

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 8, 2011 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dont try to find a positive side.

don't doubt the dough.

by DoughlarBear on Apr 8, 2011 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

OMG, I hate that song….-_-

Nearly 2 million dislikes!

by b0r3dguy on Apr 9, 2011 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but that means at least 2 million have seen it which is just ridiculous.

Seriously though, did you know that Sunday comes after Saturday?

by Wooster11 on Apr 9, 2011 4:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

That can’t be right. I thought it came before Monday!

by meetyourmako on Apr 9, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like how the anaheim people had the goal lights on and everything.
but it wasnt in the net.
woops.

don't doubt the dough.

by DoughlarBear on Apr 8, 2011 9:28 PM PDT reply actions  

You’re still losing.

"Thank you very much fans and let’s go for the next game together!"

— Lubomir Visnovsky

I rec’d that shit.

by Steven Hida on Apr 8, 2011 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Playoffs!!!!

Way to go, Ellis! Way to go, Teemu!

Fuck you, Dallas!

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 8, 2011 9:33 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

fuck tha ducks.
youre getting swept.
what do dustbunnies and the ducks have in common? they both get swept.
calling it.

don't doubt the dough.

by DoughlarBear on Apr 8, 2011 9:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks — that’s been helping lately.

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 8, 2011 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

im going to find you.

don't doubt the dough.

by DoughlarBear on Apr 8, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t be mad cuz you got Teemu’d

"Thank you very much fans and let’s go for the next game together!"

— Lubomir Visnovsky

I rec’d that shit.

by Steven Hida on Apr 8, 2011 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

One more year! One more year!

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 8, 2011 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even though Quick remembered to turn on the empty net forcefield, IT DIDN’T MATTER!

PLAYOFF BUDDIES YAY

On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1

by Ubiquitous on Apr 8, 2011 9:34 PM PDT reply actions  

BOC Rules

We’re gonna reach a new level of crazy now…

"A wedding is a funeral where you smell your own flowers" -Eddie Cantor

by angelofdeath on Apr 8, 2011 11:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Well … so all three teams are going to the playoffs … oh joy … Sharks are going further than the Kings & Ducks in the playoffs.

Calling it!

/actually just wanted to get into the calling business you guys were doing above.

GO SHARKS!
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by Angy on Apr 9, 2011 12:09 AM PDT reply actions  

We’re all doomed.
Calling it.

"Thank you very much fans and let’s go for the next game together!"

— Lubomir Visnovsky

I rec’d that shit.

by Steven Hida on Apr 9, 2011 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t need to know this.

GO SHARKS!
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by Angy on Apr 9, 2011 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha.

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 9, 2011 6:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

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