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"You're only here because of Gretzky"



In the wake of the Ducks' Stanley Cup championship in 2007 and the consistent elite status of the Sharks, Kings fans Pavlovian response has—and continues to be—"your teams are only here because of Gretzky." The truth is, the only team still coasting on the ghost of Gretzky is the Kings.

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In an other wise decent eulogy on the 2011 San Jose Sharks, this Kings fan writes:

The Sharks were the Los Angeles Kings' misbegotten child, the prodigal son born of the Gretzky era's incomplete success.

First, let's review a few facts: Wayne Gretzky is not from Los Angeles. He was not drafted by the Los Angeles Kings. He never won a championship with the Los Angeles Kings. He is easily the best player of the recent era in the NHL, but the majority of and the most impressive of his accomplishments came in an Oiler jersey.

Somehow, Kings fans seem to want to take credit for the Sharks and Ducks as if Gretzky sprung fully formed from their heads. Being old enough to remember the 80s, I can tell you that the NHL at its peak of popularity was indeed fueled by the magical play of Number 99, but the NHL decided to cash in on this success throughout the country, not just in California, and it had nothing to do with the Kings as a team.

Simply put, any expansion is going to include the most populous state in the nation with the largest economy in the nation. To not have a team in the Bay Area would be about as smart as not having a football team in LA or only one hockey team in Toronto. (lol.) The truth of the matter is, the Bay Area has experienced a more profound grass-roots level growth of the sport than Southern California (says me: who grew up learning to skate at the rink in Paramount, California), even though Southern California has far more hockey than the rest of the country acknowledges. To suggest that the fans in San Jose and Anaheim were just high on Gretzky dust is to buy into the anti-California slander that lies about the strength of the sport in this state. 

And even if there was something to this snark in 1993, it says more about the history of the Kings franchise at this point than it does about the other two. Since that time, the Kings have made it to the second round exactly once. They show more promise now than in a generation, but have done nothing to match their pseudo-Original Six arrogance.

The Sharks have failed to live up to their expectations. But the thing is: they have been expected to win the Cup! Just because simply making the playoffs is the only expectation that matters at the Staples doesn't mean thing.

And then there's the Ducks. Should their Cup parade have been in LA (or Edmonton?) or maybe New Jersey? Trades happen. Teams get the players they get, but someone finally brought the Cup to California and it wasn't Barry Melrose.

If I had my way, all three California teams would be in the final four every year and the Cup would be renamed the California Cup. Unlike some people, I don't suddenly become a fairweather fan of Texas teams when they are playing against a California team (like certain Dodger fans last Fall or certain Norcal fans during the NBA playoffs).

In 2011, the Ducks have a decade of success and a Cup to fill the pages of their history. The Sharks similarly have a decade of elite status and deep playoff runs to look back on and be proud. The only team that seems to still be talking about Gretzky is the Kings. It's getting pathetic.

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let’s review a few facts: Which team was Wayne Gretzky playing for when the NHL gave the green light to create the San Jose and Anaheim franchises?

the majority of and the most impressive of his accomplishments came in an Oiler jersey.

Which sweater did Gretzky wear when he scored his 1,851st career point?
Which sweater did Gretzky wear when he scored his 802nd career goal?
Which sweater did Gretzky wear when he scored his 19th career playoff game winning goal?
Which sweater did Gretzky wear when he scored his 193rd career playoff goal?
Which sweater did Gretzky wear when he won his record 9th Hart Trophy award?

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by DodgerBlueBalls on May 26, 2011 12:32 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree that Gretzky’s greatest years were as an Oiler, but to discount the record breaking and historic moments he had while being a member of the Kings is asinine and myopic.

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by DodgerBlueBalls on May 26, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another part of the historical record worth stating

Before Gretzky came south, California could barely support one NHL team, much less three. The northern half of the state had their own NHL team once, but it had long since disappeared. The idea that the Los Angeles/OC area could support another hockey team was a minority opinion, at best; no less an authority than Jack Kent Cooke had soured on the team that he himself founded, famously saying that there 600,000 Canadian expats living in California, and they all came here because they hated hockey.

I remember what the LA sports scene was like back then. Gretzky did indeed change everything. His presence turned the NHL into a family attraction and a celebrity draw in Los Angeles, and this in spite of the fact that the Kings did not win a Stanley Cup while he was here (in a highly competitive market like LA, you usually need a championship to give you cred). For the first time in over a decade, the Kings were not a neglected stepchild compared to the Lakers.

I don’t see how you can mount a credible argument against the idea that Wayne Gretzky single-handedly revived professional hockey in California.

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by DougX on May 26, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The Seals died because Charlie O Finley was an idiot outside of baseball...

Trading the #1 pick that ended up being Guy Lafleur…

That guy could have made Oakland be the best team in hockey all on his own. Instead, the Habs just mowed through everyone during the 70’s.

Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."

www.fearthefin.com

I rushed the farm's crappy field in 2009

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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 7, 2011 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not discounting Gretzky’s accomplishments as a King, but Kings fans generally like to take credit for all of his accomplishments, most of which did not happen while he was in L.A.

To bring it closer to home, if Selanne decided to play this coming season in Winnipeg and passes Jagr in goals and points, and sets a record for oldest player with __ points, does that mean should forever be remembered as a Winnipeg (insert team name here)? No.

If Marleau doesn’t with the cup in SJ, and decides after this contract to play one or more seasons on an almost sure-fire cup winner (a la Bourque), does that mean his is a Cap, or Flyer, or Penguin? No.

I know that Gretzky played in L.A. for a long time, and he was a very good player while he was there, but Kings fans can not claim Gretzky and his 9 Hart trophies if 8 of them came while he was in Edmonton. They can not claim sole responsibility for his goals, assists, and point records if he scored most of them wearing orange and blue.

You don’t see and Ducks fans taking credit for Selanne getting 72 goals as a rookie, or Sharks fans for Heatley’s Calder do you?

Dump and chase

by cmatthew35 on May 27, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fail.

No, Kings fans do not claim all of Gretzky’s accomplishments as their own. His greatest games were played at Northlands Coliseum. You’re taking it too far.

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by DodgerBlueBalls on May 28, 2011 10:00 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not.

I know several Kings fans who have the logic of:
Gretzky is the best player ever, Gretzky played for the Kings, thus the Kings are the best team ever, and all Gretzky’s accomplishments should be shared equally amongst Kings and Oilers fans.
It’s simply not true.
Of course the Kings fans on here are very civilized and nice, and rarely insult Spade’s spelling.

Dump and chase

by cmatthew35 on May 28, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

except that Selanne’s biggest accomplishment came in his rookie season in Winnipeg, didn’t it?

by meetyourmako on May 29, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s just a minor stain on a Stanley Cup with too many names to fit on the rings. How many NHL rookies have 76 goals?

by meetyourmako on May 29, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ask any athlete what is more important, personal accomplishments or winning the championship.

Then again, I’m not surprised a Sharks fan doesn’t consider winning the cup to be an accomplishment.

Dump and chase

by cmatthew35 on May 29, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

to win for the duck is a travesty.

you’re just mad that he’ll always be remembered as a winnipeg jet!

by meetyourmako on May 29, 2011 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

He looks so much like a young Joshua Jackson!

by meetyourmako on May 29, 2011 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I liked him as a Shark.

"Thank you very much fans and let’s go for the next game together!"

— Lubomir Visnovsky

I rec’d that shit.

by Steven Hida on May 30, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe the record sits at 76 goals, not 72.

by kvd123 on May 30, 2011 4:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well now I’m convinced.

He's fancy. He'll go glove.

by brokenyard on Jun 4, 2011 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

See?

That game’s sweet, by the way.

by meetyourmako on Jun 7, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

The NHL awarded a team to Anaheim because they built the Pond

and they had an owner (Disney) that wanted to own an NHL team. At the time, the Pond was state-of-the-art and blew most arenas in the NHL and NBA out of the water including the Kings’ home at the time: the Forum. Did Gretzky’s popularity help? You bet. However, it was Anaheim’s ability to get a new building and the “Mighty Ducks” name that was the primary force behind bringing a franchise to Orange County.

CALIFORNIA ANGELS . . . ANAHEIM DUCKS . . . CALIFORNIA GOLDEN BEARS

by AndyHogan14 on May 26, 2011 2:19 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

If there isn’t enough interest in the sport in that area, no way does that franchise survive. Gretzky was an amazing player and even a non-fan could’ve seen that by just watching a shift of his. When every sports media is talking about what he’s accomplishing every season, people can’t help but be interested.

When Crosby was on his ridiculous scoring pace this season, I had a bunch of non hockey fan co-workers coming up to me and showing interest about what he was doing. Most Americans don’t even know about any Canadian provinces/cities until they start following hockey.

Long story short, if Gretzky doesn’t get traded to LA. Most of the sunbelt teams wouldn’t be here. Some of them might have but the Gretzky’s acquisition speeded up things like crazy.

by ScottyKnows on May 27, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Given the nature of modern sports, expansion to the major sun belt markets would have happened with or without Gretzky becoming a King. Yeah, he sped it up, and got causal fans paying (some) attention to hockey.

But given the population and demographics and relative economies, the NHL had to move the focus from Canada, the northeast, and the upper midwest to avoid just being a declining niche sport.

I don’t want to take anything away from the Great One, who was the face of that change. But he was a big cog in a machine.

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by ievans on May 27, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Most Americans don’t even know about any Canadian provinces/cities until they start following hockey.

So Gretzky’s accomplishment in coming to L.A. was informing your coworkers that Edmonton exists?

by meetyourmako on May 29, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just like America's wars are informing America's dumbasses that there are other countries.

Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."

www.fearthefin.com

I rushed the farm's crappy field in 2009

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 7, 2011 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not denying that Gretzky had an impact,

but it wasn’t that big. The Kings attendance during the Gretzky years was not very good and the Ducks had better attendance figures than the Kings every year until Staples Center was built.

CALIFORNIA ANGELS . . . ANAHEIM DUCKS . . . CALIFORNIA GOLDEN BEARS

by AndyHogan14 on May 31, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually thought Bruce McNall was the major reason Anaheim (Disney) got the team.
He wanted the territorial infringement money to build a new arena.

by Mike in OC on Jun 3, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

1991-1992 Kings AVERAGE Attendance

16,005

Forum’s Hockey Capacity: 16,005

You real smart.

by Cool Dudes on Jun 23, 2011 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m a Spurs fan. I was obligated to cheer on the Warriors during that series.

by RedOscar on May 27, 2011 5:15 AM PDT reply actions  

It was just a cheap shot

I don’t know if it warrants much analysis or “ALL Kings fans think X” statements.

It’s an irrelevant fact to this team.

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by ievans on May 27, 2011 11:57 AM PDT reply actions  

He's fancy. He'll go glove.

by brokenyard on Jun 4, 2011 7:56 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

What a joke. Everybody knows Wayne Gretzky will forever be remembered as a St. Louis Blue (singular?) to the exclusion of any and all other affiliations.

by meetyourmako on Jun 7, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wrong again. He did his best work with the Brantford Nadrofsky Steelers. Google it.

by ScottyKnows on Jun 8, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’ll always be an Indianapolis Racer to me.

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by ievans on Jun 8, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

BTW, "prodigal son" doesn't mean that

“Prodigal” means “spendthrift” or “wasteful of money,” not “wayward.” The parabel is about a money-wasting son who atones for his careless ways.

I know, who cares?

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by ievans on Jun 8, 2011 6:13 PM PDT reply actions  

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