Sharks Gameday: Europeaness
Disclaimer: Unlike Mike Babcock, I am not a racist. I don't believe that European players are all "soft" or that North American players are inherently better at hockey. This story is just an attempt to attach some definite numbers to the vague perception that I (and probably other people, but who cares about other people?) have about this series that the Sharks are a very North American team facing off against the Red Wings' more international squad. There will be no satisfactory conclusions drawn anywhere in this story but there will be a pretty sweet chart.
The Sharks are up 2-0 in the series heading into Detroit. Both games have ended 2-1, but the final score hasn't really told the whole story of either game. If not for Jimmy Howard deciding to begin playing out of his damn mind, the first two games would have gone to the Sharks by a much wider margin. None of this is especially shocking to Sharks fans, but some people (Pierre McGuire!!!) who don't follow the Sharks closely are wondering how the heck this could be happening.
After last year's 4-1 playoff series victory the Sharks took 3 of the 4 matches between the two teams during this regular season. Adding these first two playoff victories means San Jose has now won 9 of the last 11 games against Detroit. Since the beginning of the playoff series last year up until now, the Sharks seem to be able to dominate the Red Wings. So what gives?
Here's a possible explanation: the Red Wings are just too damn European for their own good.
Obviously there are plenty of players on these two teams that will serve to disprove any of the ignorant stereotypes about North American or "World" players. Douglas Murray is the toughest dude on the Sharks and Niklas Kronwall is a physical presence too (so I'm told - you wouldn't know it from this series so far). Even so, it's not crazy to assume that there are probably differences in general play style that would come from being trained in North America vs. Europe.
So exactly how Europe-y are the Red Wings, compared to the rest of the NHL?
I couldn't find a good visual representation of this information, so I made my own. I used the nationality information from Wikipedia's list of NHL rosters, counted the number of listed players from North America compared to elsewhere, and then subtracted goaltenders from the count because they don't really matter when talking about different styles of team play. This whole process is crude to be sure, but if it's not good enough for you then I recommend you go make your own damn graph.
How about that, huh? What a beauty.
As suspected, the Red Wings are one of the most Europe-y teams around, while the Sharks are very close to having zero skaters from overseas (but love Euro-goalies, for some reason). Nearly all of the Red Wings' biggest stars are European while, aside from the stalwart Douglas Murray and playoff-secret-weapon but sometimes-healthy-scratch Niclas Wallin, all of the Sharks' skaters hail from the U.S. or Canada*.
So what conclusions can we draw from this information? I don't know. Why is it my job to tell you what to think? I made the awesome graph, what more do you want?
Alright, alright, here's your precious analysis: the ongoing series between the Sharks and the Red Wings is the closest hockey fans can currently get to "North America vs. The World" style competition. Sure the Senators are technically more Europe-y, but they're also terrible so they're not a good representation of what European players can really do. The Sharks and the Red Wings have been two of the best teams in the league over the past few seasons, and both squads are packed with All-Stars and Olympians. If you really liked the old All-Star format where players were separated based on their nationality, but always wished that there was actually hitting and defense in the games and that the players actually cared who won, then this series is perfect for you.
That's not to say that either of these teams really play a pure "European" or "North American" brand of hockey. Neither of those styles would work in today's NHL. Quality teams need to combine puck possession, strong fore-checking, talented shooters and passers, and a willingness to hit and fight your way to loose pucks. Both the Red Wings and the Sharks do all of these things very well but, over the past eleven games between these squads, the Sharks have been doing everything better.
In conclusion, if you think the Red Wings are losing this series because they're too European you're probably crazy or a racist.
* = But mostly Canada. Actually, aside from Joe Pavelski and the previously mentioned Murray and Wallin, every single other regular roster player for the Sharks is Canadian.
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I get it!
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I was worried it was too subtle.
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Tell them to get their Europeaness away from our slot!
by meetyourmako on May 4, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
And this is why, even at my age, I will never grow up – I laughed at this. God I am so immature at times.
GO SHARKS!
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im racist…the wings are losing cuz there too euro…actually i have no idea cuz Im not really watching
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on May 4, 2011 6:43 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
there was no intellegence in this post by the way Meg..shame on you..I read bout mortification yesterday…do it meg….do it!!!
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on May 4, 2011 6:44 AM PDT reply actions
This post contained subtraction and percentage…intelligence.
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by whine_country on May 4, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
The real reason is that the Sharks are about as skilled but way bigger. Probably because they were raised on a hearty diet of corn and manners while the Wings players were raised on vodka and gay.
by RudyKelly on May 4, 2011 7:29 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 8 recs
My personal definition is that if it has colors, it’s a chart. But yes, you’re right.
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Thanks for joining Battle of California, King of All Charts. Again, you’re right.
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by Megalodon on May 4, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha I kinda' see what your saying, and this is a bit racist, but
I always say Americans don’t choke, and you see Kesler stepping on the gas for Van, and Pavs is always clutch in the P/Os, etc etc. But damn WTF is Datsyuk and why is he so awesome???
But Rudy, it was so CLUTCH!
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muhahahaha
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on May 4, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Cheating and looking like a cross between a horse and the not-gay-but-gave-another-dude-head guy on Real World is clutch
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by Nut on May 4, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
In preparation for this story I went as far as graphing the Europeaness of teams compared to how many points they got this season, but there wasn’t really any link at all so I didn’t go with that.
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GO SHARKS!
So … North America > Europe … I think we knew that already. :)
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Hey man,
I’m European!

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by PNK on May 4, 2011 9:06 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
It’s based on Wikipedia’s rosters, which I think only list currently signed players or something. I don’t know.
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It’s based on Wikipedia’s rosters
It must be right, then! So that’s what they mean when people say the Red Wings have a deep roster!
by meetyourmako on May 4, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe the Senators have filled out their roster with a bunch of African, Australian, Asian, South American, and Antartican players!
by meetyourmako on May 4, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
"make your own damn graph"
Ok, I ain’t gonna do that, but here is a great graph. OK it ends in 2007, it just shows how from then to now sharks have been ineffective.

Let's go Ducks.
by deb d on May 4, 2011 1:08 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Here’s my chart of how many people have been killed by ducks since 1990:
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That’s it, I’m burning this comment section to the ground!
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by Megalodon on May 4, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
this is awesome
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on May 4, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
ducks cause alot of damage
18 August 2006. A CL-RJ 200 departing Salt Lake City International Airport flew through a flock of northern pintails (ducks) at 500 feet AGL. Pilot saw 2 birds and felt them hit the engines. Engines began to vibrate. Aircraft landed without incident and was towed to the hanger. ID by the Smithsonian, Division of Birds. Time out of service was over 24 hours and costs to repair engines totaled $811,825.
15 March 2007. A B-767 departing Chicago O’Hare encountered a flock of birds at <500 feet AGL. People on ground reported flames shooting out of the #1 engine. The aircraft returned to land without incident and was towed to the terminal. Birds were ingested in both engines, but only 1 engine was damaged. Remains of nine male canvasback ducks were found near the departure end of runway 9R. ID by the Smithsonian, Division of Birds. Time out of service was 12 days. Estimated cost for repairs is $1.8 million. Cost for aircraft’s time out of service was $309,000
Let's go Ducks.
so what you’re saying is that Ducks can do a lot of damage, but they still end up dead.
yep. sounds about right to me.
The duck boat just capsized. It was probably sharks that killed those Hungarians.
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Their hovercraft was probably full of eels.
by meetyourmako on May 4, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You guys are dumb. A) Mascots responsible for deaths are cool, and B) Kings have killed way more people than ducks or sharks.
by RudyKelly on May 4, 2011 5:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Apparently you don’t watch Game of Thrones! (*goes off to play Dungeons and Dragons)
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by Nut on May 4, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lord Stark isn’t a king and King Robert doesn’t do much killing after he is made king.
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by PNK on May 4, 2011 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Too bad there’s not a team named the Manitoba Black Plague.
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Oh. I thought you were making a jab at Winnipeg.
by meetyourmako on May 5, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Would it be inappropriate
to name a team after the Holocaust?
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by PNK on May 4, 2011 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
This isn’t a productive area of discussion.
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You have the bravery of a hero
and breath as fresh as a summer ham.
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by PNK on May 4, 2011 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Found a wings graph

this comes up when you google “wings graph”.
Let's go Ducks.
I picked Washington winning their series in 7, so I’m sure hoping they win tonight. I’m not too worried though, since pretty much everybody in our pick ’em also picked Washington.
I also like Washington a lot and wanted them to win the East but Tampa Bay and their awesome coach and old mummy goalie have really won me over.
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Go team BoC!
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Just so you know, Meg, if the Sharks win this series, I’m going to revoke your edit privileges and change all your picks.
Fair enough.
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Here it is. Click on the “Round 2” tab on the bottom.
Pretty sure you picked Caps in 5, bud.
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So far,
the only series’ I have gotten wrong are the Det-Phx, TB-Pitts and now this Washington series (barring a miraclulous comeback)
My Western Final: SJ-VAN
East: Wash-Boston
Per Mare, Per Terras
That's what I had too
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For some reason I would have thought the Coyotes were higher on that list.
(delayed commenting on the Europeaness chart)
Hi. Why are we losing?
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Wait, is the game over?
Why are there no comments other than me? NHL.com says 16:00 to go in the 3rd?
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Good job representin’ Justin. I have a job – that’s why I wasn’t around.
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After spending the day with phrases like “Europeaness is soft” and “Europeaness is small” echoing around my brain, I was trying some natural enlargement with herbs.
I also had to work.
Hooray for DVRs! GO SHARKS!!!
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by whine_country on May 4, 2011 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
you guys are getting to Montreal in ’93 territory. Meaning I fucking hate you.
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Hey look, I forgot to make a prediction for this game. I’ll make one now:

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Jesus, that OT call against Setoguchi was so terrible. Bertuzzi is the biggest shithead cheater ever.
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If you act like a bitch, you get treated like a bitch
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by Nut on May 5, 2011 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Do bitches get to score playoff hat tricks and OT winners in Detroit? If so well then I guess I’m just a big bitch.
Take that!
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you are a spelling bitch
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on May 5, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Just noticed this on Todd Mclellan's Wikipedia page...

WIKIPEDIA HAS SPOKEN!
by Khaaz on May 5, 2011 11:02 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow that's incredibly funny/awesome
That should’ve been the result of the ’04 playoffs too.
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by pooponastick on May 5, 2011 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Watched game 3 twice...
I recorded the game last night and afterward my friend who is a wings fan and had a softball game came over to watch it delayed. I was happy to watch it again right away and tried not to tip him to the outcome. Here are some facts I take away from the game and the series so far:
-Detroit dominated game 3 and Niemi and Seto stole it
-Detroit hasn’t played a bad period yet in the series
-Sharks making a strong push at the end of these games (age? endurance?)
-Sharks were incredibly disciplined in game 3 (no cheap shots, retaliation etc.)
-Heatley took his hit like a man and came back and played pretty well
-Wallin is actually looking pretty solid in this series
-With Ferriero and Mayers Sharks have found their best lineup yet (I love Eager’s skills for a 4th liner, but he’s too reckless and his game is a bad tradeoff in the playoffs)
-Thornton and Niemi are settling in and finding their A-game
by HaroldRamis on May 5, 2011 4:53 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Good stuff here.
-Detroit hasn’t played a bad period yet in the series
I think this is what I really appreciate about this series so far. We are seeing great hockey played by BOTH teams. Sure it would be tough for me to be happy about it if it was my team that was down 0-3, but as a fan of hockey I like that these games are close and well-played. The Sharks have made fewer mistakes than they did against the Kings and have been putting together really solid games and the Red Wings have been playing like the powerhouse that everyone knows they are.
-Heatley took his hit like a man and came back and played pretty well
Kronwall’s hit was solid and clean, and Heatley impressed me by coming back and seeming to not be rattled – and making that really important shot-block too.
-With Ferriero and Mayers Sharks have found their best lineup yet (I love Eager’s skills for a 4th liner, but he’s too reckless and his game is a bad tradeoff in the playoffs)
I agree for sure about Ferriero (I got excited when he took some shifts on the second line while Heatley was taking a breather) and I agree that Eager is not the right choice. Mayers hasn’t seemed great to me, but as long as he’s not making glaring errors that’s good enough for the fourth line I suppose.
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Guys do that all the time on big hits as part of the motion, and it doesn’t get called and doesn’t seem to really make the hit more dangerous or anything. If it’s supposed to be against the rules to leave your skates at all during any portion of a hit then the officials aren’t calling it 90 percent of the time, and it’s a stupid rule for homos anyway.
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Drawing from Harold's pic/avatar/whatever, cue Drew Remenda:
YOU CANNOT LEAVE YOUR FEET. You can leave the ice, with your feet, but you CANNOT leave your feet.
(SLNC)
Therefore you cannot leave your skates either, unless they fall off as you leave the ice with your feet.
Let’s hear it for Drew!
(crickets)
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by whine_country on May 5, 2011 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Hahaha
That rant was awesome. Perfect use here too.
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by pooponastick on May 5, 2011 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
That, right there, is exactly where SLNC jumped the shark.
by meetyourmako on May 5, 2011 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
By leaving its feet, no less.
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by whine_country on May 6, 2011 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Nope.
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by Nut on May 5, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Also: are you the real Harold Ramis? Because that would be cool.
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I thought (well maybe more assumed)
there was an SBN rule against fake IDs? Like I can’t decide to create a Shane_Doan19 ID and start posting with it?
Per Mare, Per Terras
I don’t know if that rule exists, but you should try that Shane Doan thing and we’ll find out.
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The Sharks are a good enough team now to consistently earn victories. If Niemi is on his game he is good enough to steal a victory even when the team hasn’t earned it (game 3 v. DET). I like the combination.
Plus if Vancouver is in round 3 they will be the favorite, creating a low-pressure situation for the SJ/DET winner. I think we can all agree that the Sharks play better playoff hockey when they aren’t expected to win.
God the Canucks are sacks of shit. Cannot be said enough.
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by Nut on May 5, 2011 6:25 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I was talking about the team, but their fans are horrible too (except for most over at ‘Nucks Misconduct, who are surprisingly cordial). I can’t stand watching everyone on their team skate into an opponent and then pretend they’re shot. (I know Brown accentuates penalties too, but it’s normally “where there’s smoke, there’s fire” and he plays tough. These assholes create the contact and then act like they were assaulted. Such as Kevin Bieksa at the end of the first period when he skated backwards into Shea Weber then flipped like he was tripped and slashed Weber’s arm for good measure).
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by Nut on May 5, 2011 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Cue Jack Edwards...
GET UP!!!
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by whine_country on May 6, 2011 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Wooooo
The passport delay that kept Logan Couture’s parents from making the drive from London, Ontario, for Game 3 in Detroit has been resolved. Chet Couture said in an email that the passports arrived on Thursday and that he and his wife Lori are excited about being in the stands at Joe Louis Arena for Game 4 on Friday. -David Pollak
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by pooponastick on May 5, 2011 10:10 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
With Chet in attendance the Red Wings won’t dare try and win.
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