Oil Embargo vs. Oil Dependence
by Earl Sleek on Jul 14, 2011 10:02 AM PDT
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PrintDean Lombardi is not happy with the Ryan Smyth trade. Understandably so -- even with his hands tied, he still got stuck with an injured Colin Fraser. But he may have gone overboard with this snipe: "The bottom line for me, I would have rather invested my money with Bernie Madoff than invest in Edmonton's word." That's a pretty harsh soundbite -- I can't imagine the Kings and Oilers will be trading with each other anytime soon.
Of course, that was true of the Ducks and Oilers not that long ago, and look at us now -- Anaheim and Edmonton can't stop trading with each other! Bob Murray exchanged Ryan Whitney for Lubomir Visnovsky late in the 2009-10 season; this summer he's flipped Andy Sutton for Kurtis Foster and then days later a 2nd-round pick for the rights to Andrew Cogliano. Plus he's signed 2 other ex-Oilers for AHL jobs as well -- Jean-Francois Jacques and Jeff Deslauriers.
It's almost as if Edmonton is supplanting Syracuse in terms of developing young talent for the Ducks. :)
No real point to the post other than to set up the cartoon, obviously.
I really don't know who's got the right approach -- on the one hand, Anaheim is sure taking on a lot of castoffs from a perennially-30th-place team, though they do come pretty discounted because of that. The Kings may or may not improve on their Smyth trade return, but they'll probably get blacklisted down the road as young players get squeezed out of Edmonton's system.
Which team has the better approach? Feel free to think it over and then cast your vote here.
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Dean Lombardi says the darndest things.
From a business sense there’s no doubt Anaheim has the best approach, but from an entertainment sense, Lombardi clearly takes the cake. The guy is comedy gold.
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I’m honestly not sure it matters that much — I really thought Burke and Lowe burned our bridge to the ground, but apparently it just means the two teams make up for that later with a super-influx of trades.
So Dean now has 28 GMs to deal with instead of 29 — the entertainment factor of losing the one makes up for the trade potential loss.
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That’s a good point. For me it comes down to this— two teams negotiating with the Oilers, one of them the Kings one of them the Ducks. Prospects/players involved are of similar value to Edmonton. If I’m Tambo I trade with the Ducks, but if the Kings are making a better offer, you have to think he trades with Lombardi. It’s in his best interest.
The drawback is only in those situations where things are pretty much equal, and in that case, the “tie goes to the runner (Ducks)”.
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The Kings may or may not improve on their Smyth trade return, but they’ll probably get blacklisted down the road as young players get squeezed out of Edmonton’s system.
The Oilers had already nuked that bridge by not returning Leiweke’s calls.
The funniest thing about this post is that you think that missing out on the Coglianos of the world will be some kind of loss.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
We missed out on Kurtis Foster??? Fuck!!!
But seriously, I would hope that both Tambellini and Lombardi would be able to put their personal differences aside and make a trade if it were mutually beneficial for both sides. I’d just want Dean to get give the player a check-up first. (Well, not Dean personally, but you know what I mean.)
Or we just wait a year until one of them gets fired.
Sometimes it’s not the return of the trade that matters — I’m happy Tambo was willing to pay Sutton for us.
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by Earl Sleek on Jul 14, 2011 10:25 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I really don’t mind what Dean’s doing, other than dropping that one hammer of a quote. That made future no-trade pressure front-page public.
And I don’t know that Edmonton trades are valueless — Pronger & Lubo have been great.
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by Earl Sleek on Jul 14, 2011 10:23 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You have the chain of causality wrong.
And the current flavor of that Oilers soup is day-old pig anus.
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Whatever the chain, Dean said it to Helene, and that made a splash. That splash is all I’m trying to cover here — I think I’ve tempered it enough that it doesn’t need to get contentious.
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And burritos.
GO SHARKS!
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oh hell no that was waaay to contentious.
by meetyourmako on Jul 14, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
See
I’m right. Adverti$ing money right there
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by Nut on Jul 14, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
DL was hell bent on getting Smyth out of town
There really isn’t much you can do when a player wants out but move him. This was a salary dump. The fact that he got back damaged goods plus the lack of production of Penner pushed DL over the edge. I understand why he is pissed but he needed to shut up in front of the press. There are only 29 guys that he can make deals with and losing even one can limit your chances as a GM for success. He really should have done his home work on who he was getting back. “In God we trust. All others we verify.”
He really should have done his home work on who he was getting back.
What did you expect him to do? The Kings looked at the Oilers’ medical file and it said Fraser would be ready to go in a few days. Then they got him and then decided he needed surgery. There’s not much more you can do.
There is a clause in the NHL papers that allows a team to verify with their own medical staff. During the season I understand the rush to get players on the ice but in the offseason he should have flown Fraser down and had the Kings doctors check him out before everything went through. He cut corners and in the end got burned.
by Newport Rebel on Jul 14, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
It wasn’t cutting corners that he did, it was putting faith in the Oiler’s training staff that after they had once tried to send him damaged goods (Gilbert Brule), they wouldn’t be jerks and do it again. If anything, Steve Lowe has done more to damage his reputation with these actions than Lombardi.
Why not double check? You just got burned by a team. You don’t think they wouldn’t try that again? At the end of the day, each GM is trying to screw over the other in order to make his team better. Thats just the nature of the job and fans should expect this. Maybe Edmonton were not upholding good faith among GM’s but if the roles were reversed, I don’t think you would hear as much anger coming from the Kings. When your team is the victim, you are pissed. When your team gets away with it, fans love it.
by Newport Rebel on Jul 14, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Why not double check?
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They did. That’s how they found out Fraser needed surgery. They just didn’t void the deal because they didn’t want Smyth back.
At the end of the day, each GM is trying to screw over the other in order to make his team better.
I don’t think anyone thinks Tambellini intentionally lied about a player’s health to get the Kings to take him. He’s not a villain.
DL sure does think that Tambelini or someone in the Edmonton organization lied.
by Newport Rebel on Jul 14, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
"In God we trust. All others we verify."
Checked up on this God fellow. He doesn’t have a good record of dealing with the Kings, either.
by meetyourmako on Jul 14, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Or the Sharks in the playoffs. Ex: Boyles own goal and the Bieksa goal.
by Newport Rebel on Jul 14, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
gawd rules…he hasnt struck me down from the heavens yet…and he probally should have..i love that guy
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jul 15, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
The trade was made 5 days before July 1, when the Kings were planning on going to Toronto to make a pitch for Brad Richards. Fraser was in LA 4 days later and the Kings discovered the injury, at which point they could have voided the deal… except it’s probably better to spend the money you’ve freed up and then file a grievance to ensure you don’t have to take Smyth back.
Dean’s playing victim but he’s a little more conniving than he’s letting on. I think he’s trying to get the NHL to send Fraser back to the Oilers (since the Kings never wanted him anyway) and just keeping the pick. Of course, I think Dean really orchestrated the whole “Smyth wants to go back to EDM” and Smyth just went along with it (explaining why Smyth acted confused when someone asked him if he had demanded a trade), but that’s just my little conspiracy theory.
I'll make a little tinfoil hat for that one
It jibes with a feeling I got during last season, that the last year of Smyth’s contract was going to be the most problematic, when advancing age and the decrease in production and susceptibility to injury would make him an albatross at his cap hit.
In which case, gee, wouldn’t it be great if you could just dump Smyth for that last year to free up the cap room to make a serious run at Richards (who is younger and will be more productive with a longer shelf life than Smyth)? And if you don’t get Richards, you can still spend less money on a suitable short-term contract for someone who will still be an upgrade over Smyth… like Gagne?
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
Yeah youre right. I’m sure you know more than Dean, who’s a lawyer. Good point.
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by Nut on Jul 14, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
DL was hell bent on getting Smyth out of town
I’ve always thought it was the other way around — Smyth pulled a Pronger on L.A. and demanded out. Dean had his hands tied, and it sucked, but in this case it sucked more than it should have.
He’s right to investigate his options; maybe less right to make it sound so vicious in that quote.
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True Smyth did start the chain of events but in the end DL had to move him. He didn’t have much of a choice in the matter.I don’t fault him for being put into the situation. How he moved him was his mistake.
by Newport Rebel on Jul 14, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
And to be honest, if I’m Dean, I’d still do the trade even with the knowledge of Fraser’s injury. It still takes care of the pressing need to get Smyth’s demands and salary off his back, and Fraser gets paid little enough that it’s not a catastrophe or anything.
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So would I but I wouldn’t go out in the press and try and spin it like I am the victim.
by Newport Rebel on Jul 14, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
im glad he did…it was fuckin hilarious and made a good boc post..but yea
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jul 15, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
#NHLDucks have signed D Matt Smaby, formerly of TBL, to a one-year contract. Full release to follow.
Never heard of him, but that should change sometime in the future. :)
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Hmm.. Smaby has two more points in his career than Sutton had last season.
by Johngo Fett on Jul 14, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s setting the bar low enough for optimism! Nicely done! :)
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by Earl Sleek on Jul 14, 2011 11:18 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
how the heck it’s even supposed to be pronounced??
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP BABY!!!!
Smaby it is. Smaby it isn’t.
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by Earl Sleek on Jul 14, 2011 11:24 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
Wait, I thought we couldn’t make a trade unless it was with Edmonton this offseason. Say it ain’t so.
by Newport Rebel on Jul 14, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
...
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Jul 14, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
hey those are good odds ill take them!!
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jul 15, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Full release to follow.
Speaking of, I wonder how Spade feels about this?
It is that thing that I sent to you.
by whine_country on Jul 14, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I tried so hard to make that into a joke about someone’s mom being a masseuse, but it was just too far to reach.
by meetyourmako on Jul 14, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
That would have been a happier ending than mine.
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by whine_country on Jul 14, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. Sometimes the result makes it worth reaching around.
by meetyourmako on Jul 14, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
looks like u did good without me…this comment is spade approved…two balls up!
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jul 15, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
sorry was drunk and cheap tequilla and king cobras last nite….i should have chimmed in though…im sure i would have somthing dapper to say
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jul 15, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I am only finding this for price of Smaby
$105/600.
I am reading he didn’t look great the last few years after coming back from broken foot in 2009.
So Earl, didn’t you say you didnt’ a dang about minor league players?
Let's go Ducks.
I care that Anaheim has a system of minor league players, but until they are NHLers, individually I don’t care who they are.
If Smaby won’t be on my television next season, I won’t learn a lot about him as a player. So yeah, pretty much indifference.
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But you could get his nickname set up. With Smaby this will be like shooting fish in a barrel.
Smaby is a pamsy for when he is stinking it up.
Smaby is lazy for when he is stinking it up.
oh oh, I see a trend here.
Let's go Ducks.
I’m not too worried about it — seems it’ll be easy enough to assign once I see him play.
Unfortunately, he won’t make enough money for the Million Dollar Smaby nickname.
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Damn. That for sure would have been the winner.
by meetyourmako on Jul 14, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see the mistake in how he moved him. Smyth wanted to go back to Alberta. Calgary didn’t have the cap space to take him. Edmonton was really his only choice.
I’m not saying there was any mistake Dean made in the trade — he did what he was forced to do.
It’s more that now he’s seemingly closed the door on any future L.A.-Edmonton trades — not sure if that was a necessary step. Not overly costly, mind you, but still avoidable, I’d think.
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Dean’s only fault is that he’s funny. It’s like when he made his Penner “softball” quote and everyone freaked out when he was really just trying to say that Penner needed to dedicate himself if he wanted to be great.
And for all we know, Dean may make weird Bernie Madoff jokes all the time.
“I’d rather invest my money with Bernie Madoff than have one more bite of this pie. I’m stuffed!”
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by Earl Sleek on Jul 14, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And it seems not to have bothered Penner much, if at all.
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by DougX on Jul 14, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Took a break for the ol’ birthday — plus I was kind of waiting for the Ducks to make a headline — whoops! :)
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by Earl Sleek on Jul 14, 2011 11:22 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
And now you have to make one for Smaby! It won’t take long, just type “WHO CARES” in MSPaint and post it.
How am I going to differentiate that one from the Brian McGratton graphic? :)
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by Earl Sleek on Jul 14, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or your Emmys-snubs controversy, for that matter?
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by Earl Sleek on Jul 14, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
oh gawd u guys are fuckin cracking me up this morning
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jul 15, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure, if he gets injured enough. :)
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by Earl Sleek on Jul 14, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oh he has that covered. It would be great to see him play with #11 and #8. Bob Murray make it happen.
by Newport Rebel on Jul 14, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Feel free to think it over and then cast your vote here.
The robot felt that trading with Edmonton would be counterproductive in the future, so it made a smart-assed public pronouncement to that effect. The robot’s name was Bender Bending Lombardi.
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by whine_country on Jul 14, 2011 11:51 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Where’s the Shark in that cartoon?
Oh, he must be boarding a flight to Minnesota.
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by Mike Chen on Jul 14, 2011 12:32 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Shark fin soup!
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by whine_country on Jul 14, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Let’s see if the Sharks make a 3rd trade with Minnesota before the Ducks make a 3rd trade with Edmonton. Ready, go!
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Do either team have anyone else worthy of trading with?
GO SHARKS!
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Setoguchi had a decent postseason this year. Or maybe we could go after their Swedish-named Finnish goalie.
by meetyourmako on Jul 14, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
They’re inquiring to see if the rumors that Owen Nolan stopped being a dick over the past few years are true.
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by Mike Chen on Jul 14, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha
Maybe he was a dick, but he was our dick…wait…
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by whine_country on Jul 14, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of dicks, any of you guys go out with crazy women lately?
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chicks with dicks?
You a granny tranny?
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by tu madre on Jul 14, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Cut my dick out of this.
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by whine_country on Jul 14, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
last nite in fact…
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jul 15, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
If he’s no longer a locker room disruption, I would totally bring Nolan back in the JR-circa-2008 role. Plus, you know the bean counters at SVSE are drooling at the thoughts of merchandise sales.
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yeah even for half a season. I just saw some dude sporting an Ian White jersey today.
by meetyourmako on Jul 14, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope you punched him in his Red Wang.
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by whine_country on Jul 14, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah I like Ian White and I like the Red Wings, but I did think he was a little premature to blow his wad (of cash).
by meetyourmako on Jul 14, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
haha like that guy at the tank wearing a Sharks #6 Lilja jersey.
by meetyourmako on Jul 14, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve seen that around the tank. WTF is up with that?
I’m hoping HIS name is Lilja and he thought it’d be cool to get once the Sharks gave him an offer. Otherwise, that dude must be the world’s biggest Andreas Lilja fan.
And then there’s the poor soul who sports his Brian Campbell jersey around the tank…
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I saw a Campbell jersey on the clearance rack, though. Maybe he just figured it was a good deal.
by meetyourmako on Jul 14, 2011 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
bean counters drooling
Hey, I had a burrito today.
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by whine_country on Jul 14, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
hiiiiigh five!!!
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jul 15, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
The Sharks are busy passing possibly counterfeit bills down at the Wild Cafe’.
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by Megalodon on Jul 14, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
The Anaheim #Ducks have signed forward Nick Bonino to a one-year, two-way contract extension. #NHL
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hope he turns into a solid bottom 6er
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jul 15, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Trade: #NHLDucks acquire D Mathieu Carle from MTL in exchange for D Mark Mitera. Full release to follow.
Carle must be short for Carlyle. :)
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loved the toon….freakin hilarious
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