Shock and Balls: Heatley/Havlat Swapped
by Megalodon on Jul 3, 2011 10:40 PM PDT
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PrintSan Jose Sharks Executive Vice President and General Manager Doug Wilson announced today that the club has acquired forward Martin Havlat from the Minnesota Wild in exchange for forward Dany Heatley.
Well I don't think anybody in the world saw that coming. Crazy!
The Bad: Heatley has scored more goals than Martin Havlat, and if he has a rebound year then the Sharks could regret trading away a major part of their offense.
The Good: Havlat is faster and better defensively. He's also a couple million dollars cheaper, which is going to be important as Doug Wilson tries to re-sign guys like Burns and Couture after this next season. Also, if Heatley continues on a downward trend (which Doug Wilson has historically been pretty good at anticipating) and Havlat flourishes alongside more talented line-mates (a definite possibility) then this could turn out to be a stroke of genius.
The Final Word:
@CopperandBlue What a great deal for San Jose #Sharks
I'm reassured, and you should be too. I can't wait for the season to start.
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With the addition of Havlat and Handzus, the Sharks have tripled their number of non-North American players. I hope Douglas Murray is excited!
History never repeats itself, but it often rhymes.
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As I discussed in my playoff post on ‘Europeaness,’ goalies don’t count.
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by Megalodon on Jul 4, 2011 2:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Meg: Goalies don’t count.
Niemi: Sounds good! (loses 7 of next 10 games)
:)
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by Earl Sleek on Jul 4, 2011 9:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know why the FTF guys are freaking out. I wish the Sharks got more, but I’m happy with the deal.
1) Heatley’s had groin injuries the past two years. Groin injuries are those nagging things that can never fully go away.
2) Groin injuries also take away a lot of your core strength. When your key asset is a one-timer and you’re missing your core strength…well, your goal total drops.
3) Heatley isn’t a good skater. Havlat is.
4) Heatley isn’t a good defensive forward. Havlat’s no Selke winner but you can trust him to play the defensive zone.
5) The Sharks save $2.5 mil in cap space on what we all thought was an unmovable contract. Havlat’s a top-line forward capable of 30 goals/75 points or more, can play the PK and PP and has speed to burn.
6) Injuries are a concern, but if you believe Heatley’s aren’t going away (as I do), then at least you get a more complete player and cap space out of it.
This gets the Mike Chen “I’m in retirement but holy fuck” thumbs up.
Enjoying the Shady Acres of hockey blogging retirement. No, that's not the Florida Panthers.
by Mike Chen on Jul 3, 2011 10:47 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I don’t know why the FTF guys are freaking out.
Because the Earth revolves around the Sun.
History never repeats itself, but it often rhymes.
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by Megalodon on Jul 3, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
This whole “FTF guys freaking out” shit is kind of weird. Both Matt and I have been pretty level headed about I think— in my opinion Dany Heatley is a better player, had one down year, and will be better next season.
Doesn’t mean Martin Havlat is a bad player. I’m pretty excited to see him in San Jose’s top six next season.
"Now get on board going down the river float, we gonna raise a ruckus tonight" - OCMS
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You and Matt may be level headed, but that doesn’t mean those that comment are. :)
GO SHARKS!
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I can’t handle it over there any longer. It’s too serious. For realz.
I have a Twitter account and I have a blog, but I don't have time to write more than 140 characters at a time.
I don’t know why the FTF guys are freaking out.
It’s FTF – that’s what they do.
GO SHARKS!
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It was mostly reaction stuff right after it happened.
Now things are more calmed and slightly almost level headed.
(I might add that it was hard to say that when there’s a user right now that came out of nowhere and is trying to advocate getting rid of an “overpaid” Dan Boyle…..)
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Yeah I saw that. So bad timing on your part to say it’s calm … haha! :)
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Oh! And there is a trade Thornton & Marleau comment too. Yeah. Lovely. :)
GO SHARKS!
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
PS: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.
by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jul 4, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Stop making good moves!
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
Go read Fear the Fin or the Minnesota blog and you’ll see that this was a TERRIBLE move for the Sharks.
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I’m tired of those bashing Heatley. He’s barely gone and already some are trashing him. It’s disgusting.
GO SHARKS!
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"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
He was a good player for the Sharks, and seemed like a good guy. No complaints, and I wish him well.
Just not as well as Havlat.
History never repeats itself, but it often rhymes.
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by Megalodon on Jul 3, 2011 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heatley's NMC brings up an interesting question...
If you were a player, what would be the 10 teams you would put on your “No Way In Hell” list?
Mine:
1. Oilers
2. Islanders
3. Jets
4. Stars
5. Ottawa
6. Calgary
7. Columbus
8. Minnesota
9. Toronto
10. Colorado
How was Minnesota not on his list? Do you think he had Montreal in there, given the media scrutiny? Or maybe the Panthers, before they started throwing money around and maybe accidentally assembling a good team?
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Yeah I’m guessing Panthers were on the list. Two years ago would one have put the Stars on the list? Montreal – Heatley seems the type to have had enough of the media circle of Canada.
GO SHARKS!
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via @tibornagy
“here is DFH’s list of teams he wasn’t willing to get traded to: sens, sens, sens, sens, sens, oilers, sens, sens, sens, thrashers”
by elsif1 on Jul 3, 2011 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was really stalking wyshynski, but
I wanted to give credit where credit was due :)
Honestly I had to pick one more to throw in there, and
1) it’s cold
2) they suck right now
3) I personally hold a grudge because of how good they used to be.
I could be persuaded to take them off, though.
History never repeats itself, but it often rhymes.
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You are not very consistent with your numbering. Above you do: number with period. Here you do number with paren. tsk!
GO SHARKS!
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1) Thank you for pointing that out.
B. It’s late and I’m tired.
5] Is this better?
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It’s not cold here. It gets cold for 3 weeks, then it’s nice the rest of the time. (I be winters in 20 NHL markets are colder than Colorado’s)
2) No comment
3) Grinning
Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 3, 2011 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Re: Cold
According to the Internet, the average winter temperature in Denver is 33 degrees. That’s cold.
Basically I just never ever want to leave California.
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Battle of California
But the standard deviation is 30
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jul 3, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I live in southern CA. 60F is cold.
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Having lived in Denver
I can vouch for this.. It’s no CA, but the winters are much more pleasant than you’d imagine. A typical scenario is that it snows at night and then all melts off the next day.
Snow is the devil’s dandruff.
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ha
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jul 5, 2011 5:51 AM PDT up reply actions
For the record
Jets
Oil
Flames
Detroit
Minnesota
NY Isles
Coyotes (ownership issues)
Ottawa
Florida
Columbus
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jul 3, 2011 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Detroit’s got to be just a personal grudge, right? If you were a player would you really not want to go there?
I’d accept the Coyotes instead of Colorado.
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Coyotes work – we don’t get many Coyotes fans over here, so no risk offending them. :)
GO SHARKS!
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Have you ever been to Detroit:
The answer is no. because no one who isn’t attending a sports event or was born there ever goes to Detroit.
And your “I hold a grudge” took any professionalism I may have exhibited off the list .
Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 3, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
And your "I hold a grudge" took any professionalism I may have exhibited off the list
By the by, This wasn’t meant as an insult, your ability to hold a grudge is both respected and admired. There needs to be a hell of a lot more grudge holding in the NHL, and if it’s just by bitter fans, maybe one day it will spread.
Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 3, 2011 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Burn in hell, Avalanche fan.
History never repeats itself, but it often rhymes.
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You want this, don’t you? The hate is swelling in you now. Take your weapon. Use it. I am unarmed. Strike me down with it. Give in to your anger. With each passing moment you make yourself more my servant.
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jul 3, 2011 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1 if you tuned in for RotJ on Spike TV earlier today but, if so, -1 since it was Spike.
Good one, though. :)
by whine_country on Jul 3, 2011 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I just have RotJ quotes in my head most of the time
Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 3, 2011 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh and I thought of another good reason I wouldn’t want to go to Colorado:
After the way you guys got Varlamov I’m worried your GM might be a crazy person.
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by Megalodon on Jul 3, 2011 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Have you ever been to Detroit:
Sorta funny … I’m in the very early stages of “seeing” someone that is from Michigan. He’s a huge Wings fan. I know this relationship is doomed before it’s even started. I can’t hang out with a Wings fan. :)
GO SHARKS!
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It's doomed to burn to the ground
like everything from there.
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jul 3, 2011 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or Vancouver.
Hell on Ice/In Lou We Trust/Twitter
Talking toilet, you may call me Jane.
by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 4, 2011 5:15 AM PDT up reply actions
BOW CHICKA WOW WOW
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
If you were Heatley, would you gamble and leave the Oilers and Ottawa off the list? There is no way the GM’s of either team would trade for him at this point, you should get those 2 for free right?
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He publicly turned down a trade there… would the GM risk bringing him there now.
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He publicly turned down a trade there
That’s bad, but not so bad that the fans won’t get over it if he makes the team better. Also, it’s Edmonton; they pretty much have a captive audience.
Yeah, I suppose you don’t risk it, but you shouldn’t have to put Ottawa down.
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I would play for the Oilers. They are going to be decent eventually and it would be cool to play for a team with that much (good) history
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
by Nut on Jul 4, 2011 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Awesome, so by that argument the Islanders should be off the list too?
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by Evilducks on Jul 4, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup. Only teams on my go fuck yourself list would be Flames and Ducks
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by Nut on Jul 5, 2011 4:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay I already posted this on FTF, but I’ll post it here as well – I asked the Stat guys what they thought of this trade and here is one comment I got back -
Havlat had a better ES scoring rate (2.41 to 1.55) and Relative Corsi (11.6 to -4.3) while playing against tougher competition (+0.435 to -0.425). Their zone starts were similar. Heatley had a bit more puck luck with a PDO 17 points higher than Havlat’s.
Hands down advantage to Havlat and his cap hit is $2.5m less than Heatley’s.
So he’s a much better player at this point, at 2/3 the cost. Giddy up.
So I think I’m officially over my “holy fucking shit” mode. But wow! Did not see this coming.
GO SHARKS!
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by Angy on Jul 3, 2011 11:03 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It’s not just me who just blindly accepts whatever Zona and Desjardins say, right?
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They have numbers to back them up! Numbers are always black and white. You can’t find fault in that.
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5
I can’t find any fault with this logic!
by meetyourmako on Jul 4, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Unless somebody can do better fact-based analysis, everyone should blindly accept what they say.
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The C&B guys are like sabremetrics guys in baseball. I don’t necessarily accept what they say uncritically, but I’m glad to have someone else trying to figure out what all of those statistics mean.
Kind of like particle physics: Those weird lines in the particle accelerator must mean something, but someone else will have to tell me what.
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
Heatley faced more difficulty quality of competition than Havlat last year. Heatley was third on the Sharks (0.062) while Havlat was fifth (-0.023).
Everything else is true, though.
"Now get on board going down the river float, we gonna raise a ruckus tonight" - OCMS
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Isn’t this the absolute worst year of Heatley’s career? Can we compare 2009-2010 stats?
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Shock and Balls
I am so proud of this title.
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One of your better ones.
GO SHARKS!
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I’m on the first page of Google results for it!
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by Megalodon on Jul 3, 2011 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I had to go check myself – and damn, you sure are.
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You mean that didn’t hit you with a “Sharktext?”
by whine_country on Jul 3, 2011 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
My team is working our way up there. Before we were loathed and despised because everyone thinks the city is pathetic and no one in their right mind would want to come here. Now we’re loathed and despised because our new owner is richer than God, is pouring all that money into the team and everyone wants to come here.
"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England
Nope.
Nobody still could not give a shit about TorontoJr Buffalo.
Free Oscar Moeller
by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 4, 2011 8:14 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m pretty indifferent. I’d hate Buffalo if they signed away the correct Niedermayer, but Rob’s fine.
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Hey Shark fans....
With the recent trades between our two beloved teams, Id like to extend a showing of gratitude.
Thank you! Thank you for giving the Wild a couple of goal scorers. I’m tired. I’m tired of having a second line of third liners who are pass first. We need the goals.
I can promise you we’ll meet in the playoffs soon. Maybe not this year but soon.
All I can ask of you is the get Burns the cup. I think you, as fans, deserve it, but Brent is the man! Great guy on and off the ice.
Havlat seems like a good guy as well but Burn….WOW! I cant say enough about him.
If anyone has the time (or cares enough about a Minnesotan who doesn’t get to experience playoff hockey) to let me know what Setoguchi and Heatly are personality wise. I don’t know much about Devin but I hear Heatly is a little bitch. True?
Good luck with the Cup Run San Jose!
Go Wild!
Question – in reading a bit about Burns and Havlat, it seems like both of them had issues where their agents fought with the team about stuff? What’s up with that? Are the Wild just mean to agents?
Setoguchi is fun and great and passionate. He’s a bit inconsistent with scoring.
Lots of people hate Heatley for the stuff he’s done in the past but he hasn’t done anything during his time with the Sharks that bothers me at all. He’s been plagued with some injuries.
Thanks for the positivity. I hope you guys win your division, because that would be hilarious.
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Im too sure who Havlat agents is but I pretty sure Burns has the same agent as Gaborik. That guys a D-bag!
Do think Setoguchs inconsistency came from being on such a talented team? Before this recent trade he would have our first liner. Now probably a second.
I kind of figured that people still held HeatlEys past against him….Ive just heard hes a whiner. Not from a professional source. Just fans around the state.
We’ll win the division as long as Vancouver, Calgary, Colorado and Edmonton have crap years! (Fingers crossed)
Go Wild!
by WildFan#1013 on Jul 4, 2011 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry about my missed words. Had few cocktails tonight!
by WildFan#1013 on Jul 4, 2011 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Heater got stuck on the 2nd line, 2nd power play line, PK and never bitched once as a Shark. Played for 2 months with a broken hand, never complained. From what I can tell, he’s a private guy who is a team player. I think Ottawa fans are drama queens at this point.
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Off the ice? I know someone who works with players off and on during the season. He didn’t have the nicest things to say about Seto. You can email me privately if you want more details, don’t want to get into specific hearsay here.
Enjoying the Shady Acres of hockey blogging retirement. No, that's not the Florida Panthers.
We really need to lower BoC comment credibility so more gossip and hearsay can be shared here. :)
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But did the donkey enjoy it?
GO SHARKS!
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I don’t have your email address, but I wanna hear what he had to say!
by meetyourmako on Jul 4, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
But you’re too late; I’ve already got it!
BWAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
by meetyourmako on Jul 4, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I actually like both guys alot. You are getting two awesome players. And I hope they play well for your team. :)
GO SHARKS!
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Awesome!
It doesnt matter how I feel about Havlat (which isnt much) Burns is the greatest. He does ALOT for the community and his interviews shows he has a sense of humor.
But its all about the Chainsaw!
Or my favorite video of Burns….
by WildFan#1013 on Jul 4, 2011 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Seto's as dumb as a brick
Having said that though, he always seemed very down to earth and pretty funny at times. Good guy to have in the locker room.
Dumb as a brick as in hockey sense? Or like "YAY!!! I SCORE GOAL!!! YAY!!! MASH POTATOES!!!!…?
by WildFan#1013 on Jul 4, 2011 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
It was Seto’s Tweet that stirred up a hornet’s nest around Terry Murray after the Kings series, because TM didn’t go through the handshake line with the players. Didn’t realize that in Murray’s salad days, the handshake line was for players only, and he still treats it that way.
My guess is that Seto may have figured Murray for a sore loser, but didn’t mean to gin up a real controversy. But he probably should have known that it would. Chalk it up to youth or just not being that bright. I don’t know.
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
Seto always strikes me as a bit of a yuppie douche (he plays badminton in the offseason…) He seems like a funny guy.
Heater on the other hand was great, seemed personable, professional and even partook in goofy Sharks marketing ploys like singing Christmas carols with Thorntons ventriloquism dummy.
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Hey Shark fans…
I can promise you we’ll meet in the playoffs soon. Maybe not this year but soon.
That would be great — I wouldn’t have to make a new cartoon, then. :)
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The playoffs are completely consensual!
by whine_country on Jul 4, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Iron Blogger flashback!
“Cyclops,” so-called because of his black-magic-afflicted left eye, is the bad-boy foil for Marleau. Dany is a rebel with a troubled, tragic past and a reckless hotshot attitude. He takes big risks and frequently clashes with level-headed Marleau and League Command.
During a secret operation in Europe Heatley was cursed by a witch. His left eye turned black and now sees only the evil in everyone’s soul. It’s really depressing. His right eye can shoot lasers, but it doesn’t really make up for it.
At heart Healey is a wounded man, driven nearly to the point of self-destruction by guilt over past misdeeds and his tainted vision. In his spare time he drinks heavily and stares at the sun with his left eye, trying to blind himself.
Inspirations: Wolverine, Starbuck
History never repeats itself, but it often rhymes.
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by Megalodon on Jul 3, 2011 11:33 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
When the hell are the Ducks going to do something?
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They’re working up something they think will be huge, but it will just be a noisy fart.
Apologies if you weren’t implying “shit or get off the pot.”
by whine_country on Jul 3, 2011 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Heatley Gone
Yes, Yes, Yes!
As a UW alum I will always have a place in my heart for the firey, snarling sniper that WAS Dany Heatley. That being said, the Sharks just got a lot better by getting rid of him, regardless of who they got in exchange. Stats aside, I felt that Heatley’s “I don’t give a fuck” attitude was a bad influence on the young, disciplined and ambitious Sharks squad. He was a no-show in the playoffs, and probably allowed as many goals as he scored. But for the Sharks, right now, it’s all about cap space. The genius of Doug Wilson strikes again! Thank you Minnesota for uncharacteristically taking on such a HUGE contract, I sincerely hope Heatley can be the franchise player you need. If Havlat plays well that is just gravy in my opinion.
Im going to be honest…Go Gophers!…Just kidding. What was the deal with his attitude? If he has some kind of chip on his shoulder it wont go over well with the fans here in Minnesota. The last thing we want is another Gaborik! Does he only play when he wants to play?
by WildFan#1013 on Jul 4, 2011 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
This comment is best suited for FTF. :)
GO SHARKS!
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by Angy on Jul 4, 2011 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just the Heatley bashing – lots of that going on over there too.
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
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To be fair he is kind of a douche bag.
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
by Nut on Jul 4, 2011 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heatly=Douche whereas Havlat=Douchebag
Free Oscar Moeller
by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 4, 2011 8:18 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
As a UW alum
I remember being pissed when he left back then. I’m not so pissed he’s leaving now.
Anyone got an early O/U on combined goals for Seto and Heater?
by whine_country on Jul 4, 2011 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Whats FTF? Is that the Sharks SB Nation of “Hockey Wilderness”?
Im becoming torn on how I feel about Heatley. Seems its a split in CA. Maybe its a mid-season decision I’ll have to make.
FTF is Fear the Fin – Sharks SBN’s site – the guys that write are great. The commenters believe the sky is falling. :)
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
It's really that bad over there?
I’ve been kind of afraid to look after seeing the comments about it here.
Oh, and this is my first time posting here. I’ve been lurking for a while though, so um…hi everyone!
by Bad Czech Pun on Jul 4, 2011 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Welcome!!
And judge for yourself … it’s like movie reviews, don’t believe what anyone says, go watch and see what you think. :)
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
Thank you! :) Yeah, I might as well check it out. I just went over to Hockey Wilderness to see their take and they’re loving it.
by Bad Czech Pun on Jul 4, 2011 1:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Don’t you mean “Czech” it out? :)
by whine_country on Jul 4, 2011 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
“You Better Czech Yourself Before You Wreck Yourself” was my signature for a long time over on an old forum. I don’t know yet if I’ll use one here, but if I do I want it to be better/worse than that.
by Bad Czech Pun on Jul 4, 2011 2:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Ha! Walked right into that one, didn’t I? :)
by Bad Czech Pun on Jul 4, 2011 2:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Ive been so wrapped up in chatting with you guys I didnt even chack Hockey Wilderness out. you weren’t kidding. But its what I expected. Making two big trades like this is huge news for us. We live in a state where our sports teams make big splashs by playing the waiting game with a 50 year old quarterback or make the playoffs year after year only to lose to the Yankees year after year. Or have 40 goal scorer and lose him to FA and get nothing in return. Its about time something positive come to the State of Hockey. Sellout streak will start again!
Yeah, this has been pretty big. I really hope these trades work out well for both teams. :)
by Bad Czech Pun on Jul 4, 2011 2:39 AM PDT up reply actions
My best semi-objective opinion on Heatley:
1) He’s got one of the best one-timers in the league. Unfortunately, his groin injury off and on over the last two seasons have limited his ability to get open and generate power on the shot. If he’s 100% again, get ready to see some rockets.
2) He hustles about 60-70% of the time. Sometimes he just stops moving his feet and mucking it up.
3) His defensive game has gotten better last season. His first season, he was an absolute floater.
4) Even though McLellan put him on the PK, he was pretty ineffective.
5) His passing is much better than he gets credit for.
He’s pretty one-dimensional, but when healthy and motivated, that dimension is one of the best in the league, especially on the power play. McLellan has helped round his game out but he still appears apathetic on defense a good chunk of the time.
Enjoying the Shady Acres of hockey blogging retirement. No, that's not the Florida Panthers.
by Mike Chen on Jul 4, 2011 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree. I’ve read some of their posts, the commenters completely overreact to everything. The Sharks are either guaranteed to go 98-0 en route to sweeping an entire season, or finish last, based on every little move.
Dump and chase
I also forgot to ask about Coyle. Whats his story? Ive heard he’s a top prospect. Lots of potential.
And reading some of the comments at FTF and thinking about it myself I think we got the better end of the deal but it made us both better clubs.
We wont miss Burns because of the young talented defensemen we have in Houston, Havlat wont be missed because he’s not the goal scorer we needed. He has great hands and is creative passing the puck. Burns will give you that top 4 d-man you need to win the cup. Havlat will add the speed lost with Seto. We got a proven goal scorer and three others (one being Zach Phillips chosen with your 26th pick) will all the potential in world. We got more talent with a less than talented team. You got the talent needed to get the Cup this coming year. Which I hope happens for all of you and Burnzie! (unless we somehow make the playoffs)
Whats FTF?
SBN’s Jamie McGinn Fan Club, if I remember correctly.
by whine_country on Jul 4, 2011 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Not to be confused with Fear the Gin, Patrick Kane’s blog.
by meetyourmako on Jul 4, 2011 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dammit Sharks
Stop getting better
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Oh! If this worries you, then I’m convinced it’s a great move. :)
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
yeah like when babcock said he was pissed that the sharks signed burns. that’s gotta make you feel good!
by meetyourmako on Jul 4, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I am always convinced that almost every move in the offseason by rival teams is a good move. It helps me set my expectations for the season lower. Then I can be elated when we kick your ass all over the Bay area!
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Oh! Talking big. Dream on buddy.
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
Well
It worked this year :)
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Jul 4, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Perfect
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
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