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Shot Differential Part 2: Data Mining the Stretch Run

(Author's note: This post took me way too long to construct, contains zero cartoons, isn't very well written, and doesn't come to any real conclusions.  You may waste hours trying to decipher all the data tables and may fully hate me for it, but at least we'll all be a few hours closer to puck drop.  Ah, I kid -- you'll probably love it.)

A month ago, I took a statsy look at the Ducks' regular season in terms of shot differential.  One of the striking findings was that while the Ducks were outshot by a whopping 314 shots last season, they were somehow able to generate a +14 shot differential over their last 30 games.  Nice turnaround, right?

So I decided to dig deeper into the shot data from those last 30 games of the regular season, using NHL.com's Play By Play logs to make a huge spreadsheet (here's the one from the season finale, for example).  It's an incredibly effort-heavy process because while it contains useful data about who is on the ice for every event in a game, it pastes rather horribly into Excel and has to be fixed one game at a time, always noting whether Anaheim is the home or road team.  But I persevered through 30 games because I was curious: How did the Ducks generate that slightly-positive shot differential, and do those results feel repeatable?  Before I go into any findings, though, I've got several caveats to go through about this whole exercise:

  • The 30 games-to-go mark is a kind of important line in the sand; it's worth mentioning that if I did this exercise over the final 31 games, the Ducks would have been outshot over the sample.  Even so, keeping shots close is an achievement for last year's Ducks -- in no other 30- or 31-game segment did the Ducks come anywhere near their opponents in shots.
  • The Ducks were obviously a very charmed in this stretch, as it's the 30 games that saw them climb all the way up to 4th in the west without much use from their #1 netminder.  7 of these 30 games went into overtime, and none of them went to a shootout.  Ducks won 6 -- they were crazily good in 4-on-4 down the stretch.  So the Ducks were lucky or clutch, take your pick, but close games were going Anaheim's way.
  • I'm not really a strong proponent of shot-counting analysis, even though that's exactly what I'm about to do.  Reason one: Shots are not goals; they do not win games.  And while over time counting shots does more or less approximate goals, it does so by diluting the incentives -- hockey isn't about taking the most shots on net to win a game, it's about taking the right shots on net to win a game, and I still don't think we're capturing the right shot data to measure that (How many shots-on-goal were shot through screens last season?  How many came on odd-man rushes?  Somebody upstairs should start recording those goal-enhancing factors on every shot attempt.).  Raw shot counting certainly has value, no doubt, but in a game theory sense, it's not an expression of the true intent of the game.

    Also, I'm a little wary of attaching things like Corsi metrics to individuals -- at any point in time, one player doesn't affect the flow of play so much as his four on-ice teammates do; he will obviously make some impact but he's also a bit bound by where he plays.  So it's not always a "talent" stat that emerges (that guy sure is good at Corsi!) so much as a situational stat (that guy plays in a good Corsi environment, plus he might be good at Corsi), and I'm not sure we always treat individual rankings in the right way.  So don't read this post too damningly; some findings will appear striking, but I really don't mind shrugging them off as "well, shot analysis is sometimes bullshit".  Because yeah, it sometimes is.
  • I'm probably including too many columns in my tables, for whose benefit, I'm not sure.  This has made the tables tougher to read, but in my defense, SBN's table formatter kind of sucks.  For each table I'll point out what takeaway observations I note, but generally the columns to focus on are the 3rd and 6th -- Shots on Goal and Attempted Shots.  I've included goal differential and some breakdown of shot attempts (shots missed vs. shots blocked) for context and reference, but this post's main focus is how the Ducks got their slightly positive shot differential.
  • This exercise would have been way, way more useful had this spreadsheet contained all 82 games -- how do these 30-game results compare against the 52 games that came before it?  But that kind of effort isn't imminent -- this spreadsheet is a real bitch to make.  A fuckload of copying, a fuckload of pasting, a fuckload of formatting, a fuckload of parsing.  But it works now!  Fuckload yeah!
  • Also, because I don't know every goalie's number on every opposing team, empty net goals are mixed in with the regular goals.  5-on-5 really just means there were six players on the ice per each side -- most likely one of them was a goalie, but not always.

Caveats noted?  Onwards!

Star-divide

Okay, the following tables are dense with data, and there's quite a few of them.  But let's go over the basics, looking at the second column, "Goals", as our walk-through example -- if you get the idea of this column, the rest should hopefully make sense.  At the bottom of the Goals column we can see that over the 30 game sample, the Ducks scored 99 goals and allowed 89, for a +10 goal differential.  The rows, then, are splits about how that happened.  Anaheim had a +2 goal differential at even strength, a +22 goal differential on the power play, a -16 differential on the penalty kill, and a +2 differential in penalty shots.  The subsequent columns show total shots on goal, shots fired wide, shots that were blocked, and total shot attempts.

Last 30 Games -- Goals, Shots, and Shot Attempts by Manpower Situation

Manpower
Situation
Goals
GF - GA = GD
Shots on Goal
SF - SA = SD
Missed Shots
MSF - MSA = MSD
Blocked Shots
BSF - BSA = BSD
Attempted Shots
ASF - ASA = ASD
EVEN STRENGTH +69 - 67 = +2 +671 - 704 = -33 +233 - 324 = -91 +266 - 367 = -101 +1,170 - 1,395 = -225
     5 on 5 +60 - 63 = -3 +635 - 678 = -43 +226 - 314 = -88 +250 - 361 = -111 +1,111 - 1,353 = -242
     4 on 4 +9 - 4 = +5 +36 - 26 = +10 +7 - 10 = -3 +16 - 6 = +10 +59 - 42 = +17
     3 on 3 +0 - 0 = 0 +0 - 0 = 0 +0 - 0 = 0 +0 - 0 = 0 +0 - 0 = 0
POWER PLAY +25 - 3 = +22 +177 - 24 = +153 +74 - 7 = +67 +59 - 8 = +51 +310 - 39 = +271
     5 on 4 +21 - 3 = +18 +166 - 24 = +142 +69 - 7 = +62 +52 - 7 = +45 +287 - 38 = +249
     4 on 3 +1 - 0 = +1 +5 - 0 = +5 +0 - 0 = 0 +2 - 0 = +2 +7 - 0 = +7
     5 on 3 +3 - 0 = +3 +6 - 0 = +6 +5 - 0 = +5 +5 - 1 = +4 +16 - 1 = +15
PENALTY KILL +3 - 19 = -16 +20 - 129 = -109 +4 - 62 = -58 +0 - 74 = -74 +24 - 265 = -241
     4 on 5 +3 - 18 = -15 +20 - 121 = -101 +4 - 58 = -54 +0 - 71 = -71 +24 - 250 = -226
     3 on 4 +0 - 0 = 0 +0 - 2 = -2 +0 - 2 = -2 +0 - 1 = -1 +0 - 5 = -5
     3 on 5 +0 - 1 = -1 +0 - 6 = -6 +0 - 2 = -2 +0 - 2 = -2 +0 - 10 = -10
PENALTY SHOTS +2 - 0 = +2 +3 - 0 = +3 +0 - 1 = -1 +0 - 0 = 0 +3 - 1 = +2
30-GAME TOTAL +99 - 89 = +10 +871 - 857 = +14 +311 - 394 = -83 +325 - 449 = -124 +1,507 - 1,700 = -193

Takeaway #1: The Ducks did have a +14 shot differential over the final 30 games, but it did not come as a result of taking more shot attempts than their opponents, in fact that margin wasn't close at all.  Opponents took 193 more shot attempts than Anaheim did, but because so many went wide or were blocked, the Ducks did manage to come away outshooters. 

Now a smart blogger would take a moment here and talk about team styles, or coaching philosophies, or how the Ducks play in such a way that encourages opponents to take wild and hurried shot attempts or something.  But I'm not really playing the role of explainer today; I have no idea really why the Ducks were forcing so many shots wide or weren't making more shot attempts themselves.  Maybe they were lucky, maybe Ray Emery has a death stare, maybe it is systematic -- tough to say.

Takeaway #2: The Ducks did not outshoot their opponents at 5-on-5 over this stretch, but rather kept shots close enough that they could make up for it by excelling on special teams and 4-on-4.  The special teams discrepancy is pretty significant, and at first I had to go look to make sure that power play time wasn't severely weighted in the sample.  Power play time did favor the Ducks, but not to the same degree as shots produced -- 172 power play minutes vs. 160 shorthanded minutes.  The Ducks' power play did generate shots better than the opponent's.

So the initial answer(s) to how the Ducks got a positive shot differential over the final 30 games?  Forcing opponent shot attempts wide, blocking shots, and working the power play and 4-on-4 situations to their full advantage.  Also, they hit the net on all three of their penalty shot attempts, unlike Olli Jokinen.  :)

Now here's another fun way to slice the data -- how the Ducks' shot metrics split based on the scoreboard:

Last 30 Games -- Goals, Shots, and Shot Attempts by Scoreboard Situation

Scoreboard
Situation
Goals
GF - GA = GD
Shots on Goal
SF - SA = SD
Missed Shots
MSF - MSA = MSD
Blocked Shots
BSF - BSA = BSD
Attempted Shots
ASF - ASA = ASD
Down 3+ goals +5 - 5 = 0 +56 - 28 = +28 +13 - 10 = +3 +28 - 8 = +20 +97 - 46 = +51
Down 2 goals +5 - 8 = -3 +70 - 58 = +12 +19 - 23 = -4 +33 - 19 = +14 +122 - 100 = +22
Down 1 goal +23 - 10 = +13 +203 - 140 = +63 +55 - 62 = -7 +60 - 62 = -2 +318 - 264 = +54
Tie Game +37 - 34 = +3 +295 - 285 = +10 +111 - 131 = -20 +100 - 157 = -57 +506 - 573 = -67
Up 1 goal +15 - 18 = -3 +140 - 180 = -40 +59 - 81 = -22 +64 - 134 = -70 +263 - 395 = -132
Up 2 goals +10 - 8 = +2 +71 - 117 = -46 +33 - 63 = -30 +27 - 51 = -24 +131 - 231 = -100
Up 3+ goals +4 - 6 = -2 +36 - 49 = -13 +21 - 24 = -3 +13 - 18 = -5 +70 - 91 = -21
30-GAME TOTAL +99 - 89 = +10 +871 - 857 = +14 +311 - 394 = -83 +325 - 449 = -124 +1,507 - 1,700 = -193

Takeaway #3: Man, the Ducks were a very, very good team down the stretch when down by a single goal.  Now I should note, I think the general pattern of this table holds true for most teams: when a team is trailing in a game, its shot ratios look better than when it is leading -- it reflects not only shifted priorities (trying to tie vs. trying to hold a lead), but also there's some make-up refereeing and double-shifting and desperation and whatnot as well.

But wow -- that "Down 1 goal" row -- pretty exceptional stuff; the Ducks were "clutch" as fuck.  Now I'm not really sold on the idea of long-term repeatability of this, but it is good to know that the Ducks' desperation mode appears to be a very good weapon -- it was a key reason for Anaheim's late-season success and part of how they got the positive shot differential.

* * *

Now that we've had a taste of "how" the Ducks outshot their opponents, let's dig deeper into one of the components -- keeping things reasonably close shot-wise at 5-on-5.  Even though the Ducks were outshot by 43 shots 5-on-5 over the 30 games, that did mark an improvement from earlier stretches in the season.  What individuals enjoyed that relative success?

Here's a list of the forwards, ranked by descending shot differential.  Don't pay too much attention to the specific order, as many of these guys end up pretty close and I probably should have used some sort of shot ratio to rank, but do notice who's near the top and bottom of the list.

Forwards
5-on-5 only
Goals
GF - GA = GD
Shots on Goal
SF - SA = SD
Missed Shots
MSF - MSA = MSD
Blocked Shots
BSF - BSA = BSD
Attempted Shots
ASF - ASA = ASD
Jason Blake +16 - 15 = +1 +185 - 170 = +15 +51 - 80 = -29 +79 - 80 = -1 +315 - 330 = -15
Ryan Getzlaf +33 - 23 = +10 +239 - 227 = +12 +106 - 96 = +10 +90 - 120 = -30 +435 - 443 = -8
Jar Jar Ruutu +2 - 2 = 0 +71 - 63 = +8 +20 - 30 = -10 +17 - 36 = -19 +108 - 129 = -21
Corey Perry +33 - 28 = +5 +257 - 255 = +2 +108 - 117 = -9 +98 - 119 = -21 +463 - 491 = -28
Bobby Ryan +34 - 25 = +9 +248 - 247 = +1 +112 - 104 = +8 +98 - 118 = -20 +458 - 469 = -11
George Parros +0 - 1 = -1 +51 - 55 = -4 +16 - 36 = -20 +20 - 43 = -23 +87 - 134 = -47
Teemu Selanne +23 - 20 = +3 +196 - 203 = -7 +55 - 88 = -33 +90 - 97 = -7 +341 - 388 = -47
Dan Sexton +7 - 9 = -2 +95 - 104 = -9 +31 - 59 = -28 +30 - 64 = -34 +156 - 227 = -71
Todd Marchant +3 -10 = -7 +103 - 117 = -14 +27 - 62 = -35 +32 - 70 = -38 +162 - 249 = -87
Saku Koivu +19 - 20 = -1 +169 - 185 = -16 +46 - 77 = -31 +76 - 92 = -16 +291 - 354 = -63
Matt Beleskey +0 - 6 = -6 +26 - 43 = -17 +12 - 19 = -7 +13 - 28 = -15 +51 - 90 = -39
Brad Winchester +3 - 11 = -8 +77 - 95 = -18 +24 - 51 = -27 +23 - 52 = -29 +124 - 198 = -74
Brandon McMillan +10 - 19 = -9 +116 - 165 = -49 +45 - 82 = -37 +59 - 111 = -52 +220 - 358 = -138

Takeaway #4: Wow, Bacon McMuffin did a lot of shot-bleeding down the stretch!  Now here's where I want to be cautionary -- McMuffin was probably the most important bottom-six forward for Anaheim down the stretch, but he does get murdered in these numbers almost because of that.  He had to play with Corsi-bleeders pretty exclusively once Getzlaf returned from injury, and he couldn't fix the problem himself.  But the lesson here isn't so much that McMuffin is bad, it's that even as the Ducks were winning close games, there was still lots of room for improvement particularly from Anaheim's third line.

But hey, Jar Jar Ruutu did pretty well on these metrics during his short stint.  As time passes, he'll probably get lumped in with Brad Winchester as "deadline deals that didn't pan out", but they were much different players in Anaheim in terms of on-ice reliability.  I would have no problem if the Ducks had retained Ruutu.

Similarly, here's results for individual defensemen:

Defensemen
5-on-5 only
Goals
GF - GA = GD
Shots on Goal
SF - SA = SD
Missed Shots
MSF - MSA = MSD
Blocked Shots
BSF - BSA = BSD
Attempted Shots
ASF - ASA = ASD
Andy Sutton +9 - 2 = +7 +55 - 38 = +17 +24 - 25 = -1 +22 - 39 = -17 +101 - 102 = -1
Lubomir Visnovsky +38 - 27 = +11 +269 - 256 = +13 +105 - 130 = -25 +110 - 128 = -18 +484 - 514 = -30
Andreas Lilja +2 - 9 = -7 +91 - 93 = -2 +24 - 45 = -21 +35 - 53 = -18 +150 - 191 = -41
Toni Lydman +28 - 22 = +6 +225 - 230 = -5 +91 - 113 = -22 +96 - 111 = -15 +412 - 454 = -42
Cam Fowler +11 - 24 = -13 +227 - 232 = -5 +59 - 106 = -47 +69 - 135 = -66 +355 - 473 = -118
Sheldon Brookbank +1 - 3 = -2 +74 - 87 = -13 +11 - 34 = -23 +21 - 41 = -20 +106 - 162 = -56
Francois Beauchemin +14 - 16 = -2 +162 - 208 = -46 +67 - 85 = -18 +66 - 92 = -26 +295 - 385 = -90
Luca Sbisa +15 - 18 = -3 +170 - 222 = -52 +70 - 91 = -21 +78 - 119 = -41 +318 - 432 = -114

Takeaway #5: Wait a goddamn second -- Andy Sutton was useful at 5-on-5 down the stretch?!  So says the data, at least.  Obviously this was cushy minutes, but maybe it did take the guy most of the season to find a groove he could play in.  I was as happy as anybody that the Oilers traded for Sutton, and still sort of am -- he was a healthy scratch too often for that money -- but in the right situations, the guy can be effective.

Takeaway #6: It's sort of interesting to look at Cam Fowler vs. Beauchemin and Sbisa.  Fowler is the Ducks' d-man who suffers the most in plus-minus, but his 5-on-5 shot differential wasn't bad at all, the same as Toni Lydman.  Then again, his shot-attempt differential is the worst, and goals-against are going in -- there is some problem outside of shot totals, I'd think.  Meanwhile Sbisa and Beauchemin have pretty reasonable plus-minus numbers, but their shot-differential numbers are McMuffin bad.  Is that a function of actually playing too much with McMuffin, or are they the cause of it?  Again, I'm not explaining today, but they too appear to be lightning rods for 5-on-5 shot bleeding.  But it didn't really kill them on the scoreboard.

Anyways, here's another fun feature about the spreadsheet I've put together -- I can even look at how defensemen fared together!

Defense Pairs
5-on-5 only
Goals
GF - GA = GD
Shots on Goal
SF - SA = SD
Missed Shots
MSF - MSA = MSD
Blocked Shots
BSF - BSA = BSD
Attempted Shots
ASF - ASA = ASD
Sbisa - Sutton +6 - 2 = +4 +38 - 27 = +11 +19 - 14 = +5 +17 - 27 = -10 +74 - 68 = +6
Lydman - Visnovsky +28 - 18 = +10 +204 - 197 = +7 +83 - 97 = -14 +87 - 96 = -9 +374 - 390 = -16
Brookbank - Fowler +1 - 1 = 0 +58 - 55 = +3 +9 - 20 = -11 +14 - 30 = -16 +81 - 105 = -24
Fowler - Visnovsky +4 - 5 = -1 +38 - 37 = +1 +11 - 20 = -9 +8 - 24 = -16 +57 - 81 = -24
Beauchemin - Fowler +3 - 3 = 0 +26 - 26 = 0 +11 - 10 = +1 +6 - 14 = -8 +43 - 50 = -7
Fowler - Lilja +2 - 8 = -6 +79 - 81 = -2 +21 - 39 = -18 +31 - 48 = -17 +131 - 168 = -37
Beauchemin - Sbisa +9 - 11 = -2 +108 - 159 = -51 +43 - 59 = -16 +47 - 70 = -23 +198 - 288 = -90

Here are the pairings that had some 50+ shots for/against at 5-on-5 over the stretch, again sorted by shot differential.  Again, Sutton comes out strong, and Beauchemin-Sbisa are solidly behind the pack shot-wise; incredibly pretty much all the 5-on-5 discrepancy can be put on them.  And yet most of the goal-bleeding is being done by Fowler-Lilja for some reason.  Luck?

Takeaway #7: Now that the effort to construct this spreadsheet is completed, playing around with it is kind of cool!

Again, none of this is meant to be a slight against anybody's play -- this is just a particularly-successful 30-game sample that is being parsed to death in an imperfect manner, and while it does reveal quite a bit about how this sequence of results transpired, there's always some bullshit mixed in.

* * *

So now back to the main question: is the manner Ducks' success on these 30-games repeatable or reliable going into the coming season?  Tough to say, obviously -- the Ducks had many things go right over that stretch, with many dramatic comebacks and late wins; that probably doesn't carry over very well.  And it's obviously going to be important that whatever the Ducks were doing on their special teams carry over.  Todd Marchant has retired, and it's possible Teemu does as well -- they won't be doing it with exactly the same personnel.

But at the same time, there's definitely areas that can improve, especially on the 3rd line.  And that's really where Andrew Cogliano fits in, hopefully.  His game has flaws for sure, but the bar for improving the Ducks appears to be pretty damn low -- if he and some of the kids can forge a semi-competent third line, that's better than what the Ducks had over that 30-game stretch.  Plus there are some players where we could expect some improvement anyways -- McMuffin, Fowler, and Sbisa are all going to be a year wiser, and Beauchemin is no longer settling in. 

Bottom line: I gleefully don't know.  I was talking to my buddy the other day and telling him that this season feels pretty unique from a blogging sense -- I can see many reasons why the Ducks will be good, and I can see just as many reasons why the Ducks will be bad; the spectrum of potential outcomes seems much wider than any other season I can remember.  So many questions to be answered, and I'm getting pretty excited to see how it pans out.

Go Ducks.

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This post could be way better, but I’m sick of writing it! Feel free to ask any questions if my halfhearted takeaway explanations are confusing. :)

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 10:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Also: the worst part about all this effort (and on Rudy’s JMFJ post, too) is that Vic Ferrari had an awesome script that would parse through the data and do all the work for me with even cleaner results, but it wasn’t updated for this past season. I miss that script a lot.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

If I’m remembering the script you’re talking about correctly, this should give you Anaheim’s last thirty games, and this should give you the first fifty-two. Go lurking!

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by Scott Reynolds on Aug 24, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh, hooray! Thank god for lurking!

Now if you’d only build a time machine and give me this a few weeks ago, you’d be a real hero!

I’ll check, but does it still do the cool stuff with leading, trailing, close games, etc.? And the old Henrik=10&Daniel=15 trick?

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 24, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know that at least some of them work, but I don’t think the Daniel/Henrik stuff is up.

Last thirty games:

Road only
Home only
Score Tied

And many more!

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by Scott Reynolds on Aug 24, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Very cool. I went looking for them a while ago, but just tried inserting “1011” instead of “0910” in the old scripts, which I think were called “shots” instead of “mplayershots”. Tricky Vic!

Yeah, Henrik Daniel didn’t work, but hopefully that comes together at some point. That was an excellent feature, and would have let me do the JMFJ research in a few minutes.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 24, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, half the site won’t load. I don’t appreciae this!

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 10:40 AM PDT reply actions  

Really? Mine seems to be working fine. Maybe your browser has an anti-cursing filter?

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, I think it’s cuz of your gigantic post full of numbers and boredome. :)

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ang sent me an e-mail that something’s quirky on hers as well. If you see something weird, take a screen capture and shoot me a note with what browser you’re using.

I’ll use my magic power of e-mail forwarding to get SBN Support on it! :)

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is great
So now back to the main question: is the manner Ducks’ success on these 30-games repeatable or reliable going into the coming season?
So the initial answer(s) to how the Ducks got a positive shot differential over the final 30 games? Forcing opponent shot attempts wide, blocking shots, and working the power play and 4-on-4 situations to their full advantage.
But wow — that “Down 1 goal” row — pretty exceptional stuff; the Ducks were “clutch” as fuck.

I don’t know, seems like the Ducks got pretty lucky to me.

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by RudyKelly on Aug 23, 2011 10:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh, certainly they were, and hopefully we’re not so reliant on the pulled-goalie tying goal this season.

But it’s not as if all cylinders were running, either — if some of those holes in the boat can be plugged, then the need for last second heroics is diminished. The top-end players overachieved; the bottom-end players underachieved; hopefully somewhere in the middle there’s a winning formula available.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

But they’re mostly gone, too. It’ll be a fun scramble to build a bottom six in training camp. Obviously the at-first results won’t be lights-out, but it can’t really get worse.

Odds of improvement there look decent enough, especially if someone like Etem or Smith-Pelly can play decently.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 11:01 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Smith-Pelly is going to be a stud in the league for a long time.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brendan McMillan
Andrew Cogliano
Dan Sexton
Nick Bonino
Kyle Palmieri
Mark Bell
Brian McGratton
Jean-Francois Jacques
George Parros
Devante Smith-Pelly
Emerson Etem

11 players, 6 spots. I think Beleskey, McMillan, Sexton & the 2 junior players can all be sent down without passing through waivers. I imagine McGratton and Jacques are competing for a spot and one of them will probably be waived.

McMillan/Cogliano/Smith-Pelly
Bell/Sexton/Parros

Something like that? Jesus, it is a scramble.

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by RudyKelly on Aug 23, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I keep believing in Nick Bonino for some reason — he might make the cut.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t mind if Sexton never suits up for another Ducks’ game again.

I’d like to see Beleskey on the top line, Ryan with Cogliano and McMillan.

Bonino, Parros, and Pelly on the fourth.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, Matt Beleskey’s in there, too. Yay, scramble!

Watch, it’ll probably be Maroon – Gordon – Holland or something.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

getzlaf is the key here…he has to be better..like u said having a full season…and the whole perry got an mvp motivation..id shocked if he didnt

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 23, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

You have to be good to be lucky.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

What? No you don’t.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Aug 23, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

ok

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Aug 23, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s not untrue — the Ducks did need to be in games to win them. But yeah, luck is luck — best not to bank on it to stay good.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you’ve got your angle right and a puck goes off the knob of your stick, that’s luck. You’re good because you’re in position to make a save and lucky cuz the knob was covering the corner.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

The degree of luck is inversely proportional to the degree of skill. If you do something to increase your odds of getting a goal, you are lessening the amount of luck you need to get a goal.

by meetyourmako on Aug 23, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think hockey analysis overuses the term “luck”, though — there’s reasons some shots are going in, and it’s not just “noise” or “randomness”. We just don’t have enough data to really measure the skill things that are happening.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

True, but if you do all the right things more often than not, you’ll get that random lucky bounce. “Right place at the right time, deflection off the shitpad, save even though you were screened, etc.”

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

The thing is that the Ducks didn’t do the right things.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Aug 23, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

They weren’t “right” right, but they did make things “righter” than before! :)

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

You should use that as your signature.

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by Angy on Aug 23, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then we were just damn good. =) How did I mispell shinpad? The t is nowhere near the n. =/

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your inner Spade just woke up.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

deflection off the shitpad

Your inner Spade wears his Depends too loosely.

by meetyourmako on Aug 23, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ew, Spade is inside me?

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

im told its like fireworks going off in your whole body

"A Chortled Evils Nip"
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 23, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait, there was an earthquake on the east coast? Hahaha, you pussies.

www.battleofcali.com

by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 11:04 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Oh god it’s been frantic for me cause of it. I have family in Arlington area and my cousin couldn’t get hold of my aunt, her phone wouldn’t work, but she could text – how does that work anyways, one works but the other doesn’t – so she sends me a msg to call my aunt. Now my aunt is frail, on oxygen, can barely see, and she’s sounding stressed. Says she thinks there is broken glass but doesn’t know where.

Anyways – earthquake in Va means headache for me all the way in California.

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by Angy on Aug 23, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m joking anyways. I’m sure if an east coast hurricane hit SoCal hard I’d be freaked as fuck.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha

funny thing is, before my family freaking out on me, I called my cousin (couldn’t get hold of her) to say “heard you guys had a small earthquake”. silly me didn’t realize they would think it’s a big earthquake. :)

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by Angy on Aug 23, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

They probably didn’t even know earthquakes came in sizes. :)

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wan’t it like 4 something? Panzies.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually 5.9. So for there, yeah big I guess. Still tho. :)

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by Angy on Aug 23, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s respectable. Only a tenth of the ’89 quake though.

by meetyourmako on Aug 23, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

We had that tsunami a little while ago, but yeah, pacific cyclones are supposed to be even worse.

by meetyourmako on Aug 23, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I cannot believe no one has made a Logan Couture tweet reference yet. Slackers.

by RedOscar on Aug 23, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

no i loved it….excellent

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 23, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah I though it was great! better than what I had going.

by meetyourmako on Aug 23, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, today I’m comparing everything I do to the effort of compiling a 3500+ row spreadsheet of events.

Yeah, it was pretty good.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

First the Tsunami and now this. #Takecareseto

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

This brought a smile to my face.

by RedOscar on Aug 24, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Grammar Chat: 100+ posts

In-Depth Analysis: 22 posts

This blog sucks.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Aug 23, 2011 12:17 PM PDT reply actions  

My evil schemes are working.

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by Megalodon on Aug 23, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I probably needed more graphs, but it’s tough to figure out how to show all this. Here, I made this to show another data split:

This shows three pairings of defensemen in home vs. road splits.

  • Lubo and Lydman follow a sensible pattern — they outshoot at home, get outshot on the road, but are outscoring at home and on the road.
  • Fowler and Lilja also outshoot opponents at home and get outshot on the road, but opponents put more shot attempts in either location. Also, they didn’t get any luck scoring goals at home.
  • Frenchie and Sbisa got outshot everywhere, but they managed to keep things close where it mattered in the goal department.

Still too much to look at — I love it! :)

www.battleofcali.com

by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Needs at least five more colors.

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by Megalodon on Aug 23, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, this was just the 5-on-5 results. 4-on-4 will be various shades of purple.

www.battleofcali.com

by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s summer.

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by Angy on Aug 23, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

a point u didnt make…vishnosky and lydman together are awesome…

love this post…really intresting

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 23, 2011 12:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, that’s true. They’re nearly “Andy Sutton” good! :)

But seriously — they kicked a lot of ass last year.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it seems like:

Lubo-Lydman: Own

Fowler-Lilja: Not horrible but got unlucky

Beauch-Sbisa: Horrible but got lucky

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Aug 23, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup, though maybe “horrible” is a strategic playing style? Boy did opponents’ arms get tired! :)

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Boy did opponents’ arms get tired! :)

That flight to L.A. is a long one for most teams.

by meetyourmako on Aug 23, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d rather have Sbisa than Fowler

For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.

by Nut on Aug 23, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too early to tell, I think. And we shouldn’t discount Fowler’s abilities on the power play — that was a totally useful part of his game.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah personal preference I like my d-man to hit.

For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.

by Nut on Aug 23, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

i like my dmen not to get butthurt and have to get sent down to get there confidence back….seriously sbisa…dont do that shit again

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 23, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I also like my d-men not to look like miniature Trevor Hoffman.

For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.

by Nut on Aug 23, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lidstrom is just as effective as Weber. =)

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think sbisa is a problem..needs to be paired with someone not named beachimin…..maybe cuz they both look to shoot?..no one stays back?..i dunno

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 23, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

foster is like a o’donnell? stay at home never shoots…might be a good pair…sutton like i guess

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 23, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Foster isn’t like O’donnell. He was Qbing Tampa’s power play a few years back. He has a cannon of a shot, unlike Sutton..he’s a big hitter, prolly takes too many chances and may get outworked.

Pretty much Sutton with a little more offensive punch. (as long as he’s healthy.)

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Lubo didn’t suck so much defensively, Lydman would’ve made the perfect pairing for Fowler.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 12:40 PM PDT reply actions  

On the list of blueliners who sucked defensively for the Ducks last year, Lubo is second from the bottom.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lubo is great at defense. I thought you knew?

For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.

by Nut on Aug 23, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah personal preference I like my d-man to hit.

?

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Aug 23, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well if they don’t hit they better be good at defense at least. Or foreign and like cookies. Plus Lubo has a great shot, Fowler is an offensive d-man who has a shitty shot. That’s…weird.

For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.

by Nut on Aug 23, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s from living with Scott Niedermayer. “Trust me, kid — I played my entire career and never took a slapshot. Way overrated.”

www.battleofcali.com

by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is a great skater, though. I think he’ll score less but be better on defense and Ducks fans will wonder why he’s regressed.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Aug 23, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was just a baby last year, give him a few years then analyze how good he is.

Is there any defensive player that can come in their first year after draft and be the best player?

Let's go Ducks.

by deb d on Aug 23, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doughty was the best dman on the Kings in his first year, just like Fowler was. Well, minus the +/-

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’re a goddamned mad man. Lubo was by far your best D, then Lydman, then huge drop off.

For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.

by Nut on Aug 23, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

In this instance, ScottyKnows just worded his phrase really badly. I think he meant that Doughty was in his first year right off a draft, just like Fowler was.

Quite differently from Fowler, though, Doughty was also the best player on the team.

www.battleofcali.com

by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, we’ll go with that.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Vlasic was pretty good when he came up. Probably not the best, though.

by meetyourmako on Aug 23, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you’re rating based on offensive production sure Lubo was tops in league. That’s why he got nominated for the Norris. =/

Lydman was best defensively, Lubo offensively, but Fowler brought the complete package. It may have just seemed much more impressive than it was since he was a rookie but the kid was amazing.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, whoops — you meant what you said? Never mind, Nut. I’m with you — he’s crazy.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fowler was a bad defensive player. That’s too be expected when a kid’s 18 but I mean c’mon.

Lubo was so much better than Fowler it’s dumb to even compare them. It’s like comparing Doughty to Jack Johnson.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Aug 23, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scottyknows’ formula for “complete package” is 20% defense, 20% offense, and 60% being born in North America.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I stand by what I said earlier. Lubo was the worst defensive dman on the team. I’d take Folwer over him any day of the week. If it weren’t for Lydman, no way does Lubo put up that many points.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dang I can’t believe I agree w/ a kings person, but sorry Scotty you are wrong. If it wasn’t for Lubo’s d- the team would have won few games in that terrible middle section of yr (analysis smallasis on that it is pure eyes at game)

Let's go Ducks.

by deb d on Aug 23, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

analysis smallasis on that it is pure eyes at game

I thought you just asked for more statistics so you could analyse this sport to its death.

by meetyourmako on Aug 23, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes, but sometimes I ain’t got the analysis, just the being at game and watching. Hey I am also doing other stuff here

/rationalization

Let's go Ducks.

by deb d on Aug 23, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Fowler had a consistent partner, someone who was somewhat compitent, maybe we’d see a little more of his magic.

Since his partners were getting switched around on almost a game to game basis, he was never able to form any time of consistency. He had to worry about his partner’s shortcomings and play more responsible hockey.

Lubo had the luxury of Lydman on his side and playing mostly behind the top line.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I stand by what I said earlier. Lubo was the worst defensive dman on the team.

Your definition of defense is very, very flawed. Or maybe it’s your definition of “worst”.

www.battleofcali.com

by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, if it weren’t for Lubo, no way does Lydman put up that plus-minus. Believe it or not, there have been defensemen who have paired with Toni Lydman and not led the league in d-man scoring.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lubo benefited from Lydman a lot more than vise versa.

If Lydman didn’t anchor that pairing, Lubo wouldn’t be able to free wheel.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, in this case I’ll just point to the tables I put a lot of effort in creating.

Together, in the final 30 games at 5-on-5, Lubo and Lydman were +10.

When they were 5-on-5 apart, Lubo was a +1 and Lydman was a -4.

Not an absolutely solid end-of-everything sample or anything, but it’s not saying what you’re claiming.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL fine, I’ll look at your charts since you worked so hard on them.

Bottom line, Fowler will be tons better this coming season with just a single season under his belt than “veteran” dman Lubo.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you thought Fowler was better than Lubo last season, I have zero doubt in your ability to see it that way again.

www.battleofcali.com

by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, when you factor in his age, Tim Thomas wasn’t any Tukka Rask or anything.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Do that thing you did with Jack Johnson to Cam.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Aug 23, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure it’d help. ScottyKnows probably now thinks of Jack Johnson as the best Kings’ defenseman because he had to shuffle through at least five different defensive partners and thus never got the chance to unleash the domination he was about to bring.

www.battleofcali.com

by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plus, Scotty wouldn’t look at the chart anyways

For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.

by Nut on Aug 23, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can’t decide if this is more or less ridiculous than the guy on Fear the Fin who said he wasn’t worried about Joe Thornton getting older and eventually retiring because San Jose had Logan Couture.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Aug 23, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

You guys are ridiculous for thinking Lubo is good defensively.

Any good defenseman, I don’t care what market he plays for, in what conference should be at least be nominated for the norris if he leads all d-men in scoring.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like you should be pretty mad at the people that vote for the Norris, then.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Aug 23, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope, because he was so poor defensively that even the ridiculous amount of points he put up didn’t make a difference.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

He did finish fourth, man, on a west coast team. Where did Fowler’s hidden greatness finish him?

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who said that?

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by Angy on Aug 23, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

The same guy who said Vlassic needs to be more physical to earn that massive 3M salary of his, otherwise he’s vastly overpaid.

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by Evilducks on Aug 23, 2011 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe I should go back to reading comments over there.

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by Angy on Aug 24, 2011 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think it’s more ridiculous. It would be like saying that Couture was the best center on the Sharks last year (a claim that is age or experience irrelevant) and then when every measurable stat in the world proves the opposite, coming up with excuses as to why, even though he was the best center on the ice, that other guy was better.

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by Evilducks on Aug 23, 2011 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bottom line, Fowler will be tons better this coming season with just a single season under his belt than "veteran" dman Lubo.

Lubo’s probably going to get hurt this season and it’ll be really funny watching Fowler take his place.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Aug 23, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

How is it flawed? Based on your guys’ description, it just sounds like offensive production is all we should be concerned with when rating dmen.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s not it at all — keeping the puck out of your net does matter. Based on your description, apparently that doesn’t factor in?

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alright, Nut says he liks his Dmen to hit. How often have you seen Lubo engage physically? If he doesn’t keep up with the attacker with speed, he gets shrugged off easily. He’s extremely weak in his own end.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Again, where is Fowler “better” in any of what you’re describing?

Lubo doesn’t play Weber’s style, but that doesn’t mean he can’t be effective. As last season was a testament to.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

My God. It was impressive that Fowler made it as an 18 year old, but you can’t use that when comparing him to other players (which I wish hockey writers would have thought about when they gave Lidstrom the Norris for being old last year)

For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.

by Nut on Aug 23, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Lubo is so good defensively, why isn’t he used on the PK?

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nevermind, you’re just fucking around at this point.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Aug 23, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL I’m being serious.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

He had more PK time this season than did Fowler — so what the fuck are you arguing?

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

As a last resort. Keep in mind that Fowler was still a rookie. Lubo is expected to bring a more complete game and he fails. Carlyle isn’t going to throw Fowler in those situations to ruin his confidence.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, throw in a bunch of asterisks next time we should factor in a player’s feelings into this sort of comparison.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

This conversation is hilarious. Just remember Rudy, you wanted more hockey over grammar discussions. :)

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by Angy on Aug 23, 2011 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

If he was as awesome as you claim at defense, wouldn’t putting him on the PK only improve his confidence? I mean he would only get obliterated out there if he were bad right?

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by Evilducks on Aug 23, 2011 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

No because regardless of how good a rookie is, you should still have him playing protected minutes. He’s only 18. By the time he’s Vishnovsky’s age, he’ll be a best all around dman.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 24, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

No because regardless of how good a rookie is, you should still have him playing protected minutes. He’s only 18.

But.. you said… what?

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Aug 24, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Especially Carlyle, don’t you remember how long it took for Ryan to get some serious top line minutes?

Forget it, you guys suck.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 24, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Remember when people were saying Bobby Ryan was better than Teemu Selanne and deserved his minutes? No? Because that would be retarded.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Aug 24, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

You’re making a completely different arguement. I’m talking about him playing on the 4th line with freakin Parros.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 24, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

You’re saying that Cam Fowler is a better all-round player than Lubomir Visnovsky and would do better in his place, despite being younger and playing a different side of the ice.

That is like saying Bobby Ryan two years ago was a better all-round player than Teemu Selanne and would do better in his place, despite being younger and playing a different side of the ice.

Because both are dumb things to say. The Teemu one is actually probably less dumb because at least Teemu is actually bad at defense, unlike Lubo.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Aug 24, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You’re comparing forwards to d-men? Completely different.

Ryan would have a lot more points if he had top PP minutes like Teemu. Most of Selanne’s points come on the PP.

You’re right, Selanne is probably the only player on the team that is worse defensively than Lubo. =)

by ScottyKnows on Aug 24, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Most of Selanne’s points come on the PP.

Nope, less than half.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Aug 24, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You can take your easily-checked statistics and shove them up your ass, Rudy!

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by Megalodon on Aug 24, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

jesus scotty…somtimes you just dont “know” do you?

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 24, 2011 5:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

You all can suck it!

Anyone claiming Vishnovsky is good at defense should be shot in the face.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 24, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is that thing that I sent to you.

by whine_country on Aug 24, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

i cant see any of these pics whine..im sure there funny

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 24, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

im sure there funny

Not really, so no worries.

It is that thing that I sent to you.

by whine_country on Aug 24, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

feel free to email them to me…and ill have your email..so i can send u my fine collection of midget pictures

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 24, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm…I’ll get back to you on that. :)

It is that thing that I sent to you.

by whine_country on Aug 24, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Way to hide the face. :)

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 24, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh your first post back and you’re being a dick.

My name isn’t Scotty…so carry on.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 24, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Where the heck were you when I was trying to come up with Ziggy puns?

by meetyourmako on Aug 24, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

You did a fine job. In fact, everything has been just fine without my contributions, by my reckoning.

It is that thing that I sent to you.

by whine_country on Aug 24, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

ok who made u get butthurt?…my first assumption would be rudy

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 24, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

ok who made u get butthurt?

No one. Really, wasn’t anything like that. Just had to get some perspective, or some cliché like that.

Why is no one posting about how much they enjoyed my absence?

RUDY???

It is that thing that I sent to you.

by whine_country on Aug 24, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ryan Smyth!

It is that thing that I sent to you.

by whine_country on Aug 24, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

i knew it!!!

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 24, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I’ve been slacking some. Which is fine.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 24, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

scott niedemeyer never hit anyone..wasnt much physical…still is a hall of fame defensemen by playing positionally well and skating the puck out of trouble….backchecking with speed..not saying vish is anywhere near scottys level…but he plays the similar type of defense..and its more effective than whatever cam is doing right now…

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 24, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with Spade!

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 24, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

today is the greatest day of my life…well 2nd greatest day…1st was finding out count chocula still existed

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 24, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I never said anything bad about non-physical d-men. Nut was claiming he likes his d-men to hit and went on to defend lubo as if he isn’t the complete opposite.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 24, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

i just dont think hes as bad as u say he is…brookbank mountain and the 2 youngsters..made a lot of mistakes last year…

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 24, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, there’s a lot of guys who played defense for the Ducks last year. To say Lubo’s the worst defensively on the team implies you’d rather rely on guys like Festerling, Mikkelson, Mara, Syvret.

It’s really an off statement.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 24, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I clarified that but if you want to continue to ignore that be my guest.

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by Nut on Aug 24, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cliffs?

Ever think of putting a TL;DR section for us people with jobs n shit, so we don’t have to muddle our way through this? Besides, in the immortal words of Kevin & Bean, reading is for losers.

;-)

by Booby_McNipples on Aug 23, 2011 12:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Cliffs Notes version: Ducks might be good or suck next season!

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

who fuckin knows right?…kinda exciting i guess…feel like an underdawg..is it october yet?

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 23, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can’t wait. My buddy was asking me whether this was going to be a “Positivity!” season or a “Go Drama” season or something different, but it’s really up to the Ducks — they set the tone, and I just respond. :)

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

just feels like the other teams in the WC improved a lot…id lean pessimistic..well c…cant wait to catch a game with u and the rest of the peeps and get drunk..yet stay upright

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 23, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I should make a graph that plots goals against vs. drunkenness. It’d probably start pretty linearly but then get all sloppy at the end.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you guys going to the home opener? I’ll be there!

by meetyourmako on Aug 23, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have no idea yet — Row B hasn’t done its split up yet. I should start thinking about that, I guess.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

mako wants to meet! (not the meat, Spade)

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

you dont know what mako wants…dont pretend to know her damn you!!

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 23, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

u want free drinks come to my house..heres my current fridge

had a big party and apparently bought too much beer..theres 2 unopened 12 pks of coronas not shown…if i get over this sickness..might have a beer pong party this weekend..i cant finish all this shit and i need the fridge space..for you know food

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 23, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t lie — you stocked up as soon as you heard about Carlyle’s contract extension. :)

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

no hard liquor is required for that…moonshine perhaps

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 23, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

To drink enough and go blind so you won’t have to believe your eyes?

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

sounds about right yes

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 23, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Moonshine that strong should be called sunshine.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Miller Lite? I rather drink water.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

hey i bought hangar 24 orange wheat and some weinharts…all that other stuff was bought by other peeps…everyone was drinking liquor that nite…sons of bitches…bring cheap beer..then raid my liquor cabinet..people use me like a cheap whore

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 23, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chicago, LA, St. Louis, Columbus and San Jose all got better but Dallas, Phoenix, maybe Nashville (because their 3 best players all are coming up on UFA) and Vancouver I think will all be worse. Dallas and Phoenix losing top players especially should help the rest of us in the Pacific.

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by Nut on Aug 23, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Get a better job that lets you read more.

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by Megalodon on Aug 23, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Takeaway #8:

Ducks fans have a LOT of spare time on their hands. I don’t even know how many shots I took at the bar last night.

by HaroldRamis on Aug 23, 2011 12:42 PM PDT reply actions  

You should have kept a spreadsheet. Who was at the bar for each shot-on-mouth?

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

damn I didn’t think of that. I did make an excel spreadsheet of glory-hole outcomes though.

by HaroldRamis on Aug 23, 2011 12:57 PM PDT reply actions  

The Ducks also led the league in glory-hole shots-on-mouth allowed.

by meetyourmako on Aug 23, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

i want to respond but ill get censored

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 23, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who was at the bar for each shot-on-mouth?

resisted…

I did make an excel spreadsheet of glory-hole outcomes though.

couldn’t resist.

by meetyourmako on Aug 23, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

i just know i wouldnt stick my junk in some hole…cuz there might be a crazy mofo like me on the other side with a machete

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 23, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aw, c’mon. I only barely want to censor that. :)

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

check out the “Louie” episode about God, there is a great metaphor relating a glory hole to religion.

by HaroldRamis on Aug 23, 2011 1:30 PM PDT reply actions  

you gotta have faith

by HaroldRamis on Aug 23, 2011 1:30 PM PDT reply actions  

the chart also confirmed what i suspected about sexton….he cant hit a barn with his shot…

i got a hard time with him..i like how he backs off the d with his speed…but he seems useless after that….jury still out for me with him

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 23, 2011 2:10 PM PDT reply actions  

I think it’s safe to say that Sexton sucks ass.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had high hopes for Sexton what with his name and everything, but then I woke up and realized I would rather watch winning hockey. Duck fans overrate the dude, his play is not that sexy.

Let's go Ducks.

by deb d on Aug 23, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure he’s all that awful — he costs nothing, and he’s not at the bottom of these charts. Was on the ice for more 5-on-5 goals-for than Marchant and Winchester combined, and those guys got loads of minutes.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes he is cheap, but I think I started to dislike him cause of the overboard love duckie fans heaped on him so that he was so overrated they weren’t willing to see his deficencies.

Let's go Ducks.

by deb d on Aug 23, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too bad not enough people took up my “Registered Sex Offender” nickname suggestion.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

All he has working for him is his speed. He doesn’t have enough skill to make up for his size and style of play. Journeyman Nhler if he’s lucky.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

He shoots willingly. I know that’s way out of place for any Duck not named Selanne, but we were a pretty outshot team, and it can be a useful habit.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Ducks love the cycle, they don’t take shots unless it’s a glorious opportunity. A lot of that has to do with the system and Getzlaf’s influence? Sexton shoots but it seems like he’s aiming for the goalie’s logo or a fan behind the net.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

What hockey needs is a group of nerds who so love the game and math taht they do like baseball fanatics have done and graphed every play in recent years so that they can get a complete metrix of the game and huge ass equations to analyze the data.

I would do it if someone would pay me a bucketfull of $$$.

Let's go Ducks.

by deb d on Aug 23, 2011 2:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Dear God, please do not let hockey become anything like baseball.

by meetyourmako on Aug 23, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’d do it, but nobody would read past my opening ten pages of caveats. :)

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

As it is, I already skipped over the post directly to the pretty, multi-colored graph in the comments.

by meetyourmako on Aug 23, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

But the math nerd in me demands an argument on who has the best GS+ or if GA+ is more important.

GS+ is goals scored equalized to the average player plus average arena
GA+ is goals against equalized to the average player plus average arena

totally made up stats (or at least so far, when I am in charge of this analysis we are gonna do it)

Respect the Science!!!

Let's go Ducks.

by deb d on Aug 23, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

(note the Penguins of Madagascar quote, let’s keep this thing real dude)

Let's go Ducks.

by deb d on Aug 23, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I should have done more of them, but the first one I was going to do was so skewed — so many thing happen 5-on-5 in hockey, which is great for watching but shitty for graphing!

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe you could have normalized it by having it +/- vs totals?

Ok then noone would have understood the graph, but if you used the right colors it would be ok cause then it would be pretty.

Let's go Ducks.

by deb d on Aug 23, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

You did better than me, I just skipped to comments.

by ScottyKnows on Aug 23, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

But he had tables and verbage and a bit of hypotheticals.

Let's go Ducks.

by deb d on Aug 23, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok guys, maybe someone knows this. The dudes here in the lab were just talking about their new android. I said that those weren’t real androids cause they aren’t big enough and don’t do dishes or laundry or cleaning.

So now the argument is what is the difference between an Android and a Robot?

Let's go Ducks.

by deb d on Aug 23, 2011 3:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Androids are programmed to feel things.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

The movies all have androids being good robots and doing my housework and listening to my problems. I want one.

Let's go Ducks.

by deb d on Aug 23, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whose side are you on?

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by Angy on Aug 23, 2011 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

The real question is: is a machine gun a robot? Why or why not?

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by Megalodon on Aug 23, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Um, no? Damn, I’m a bit on the fence.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean, if it were a robot it’d be a laser, right? :)

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Robots are capable of automation. “Automatic” rifles automatically reload, but still require human direction. If it were to fire at things which set off a sensor, in the manner of a outdoor, motion-detecting light, I think it could be called a robot.

by meetyourmako on Aug 23, 2011 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

So like those automatic machine-gun turrets they have in the movie “Aliens” – are those robots? They fire at any motion they detect and, after being set up, don’t require any further human direction.

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by Megalodon on Aug 23, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

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by Megalodon on Aug 23, 2011 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

John Hodgman addressed this question on his podcast, and ended up ruling: no, it is not. However once you try to come up with reasons why something is or is not a robot it gets confusing.

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by Megalodon on Aug 23, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because it’s a feature that you’d want attached to most robots.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

No – robots have programming. There is no electrical components.

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by Angy on Aug 23, 2011 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

A sophisticated computerized machine gun that can be programmed to fire a bunch of different ways independent of human control – robot or no?

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by Megalodon on Aug 23, 2011 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

It depends — if I say no, will it shoot me?

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

One of the issues Hodgman brought up in his discussion of this is that if we lump machine guns in with robots then when the inevitable robot uprising occurs, machine guns will be on the side of the robots, and we’ll all be doomed. Therefore we should say that machine guns AREN’T robots, so they’ll be on our side.

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by Megalodon on Aug 23, 2011 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Robots are cold sons-of-bitches, though. They’d probably kill all plants and animals except humans then starve us to death. Frakking Cylons.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

i recently watched rise of the planet of the apes…the apes are rising first…and will be smart enough to poo bomb the shit out of all the robots and rule the world more 3rd world-ish/non-robotish..dependish..monkeyish..

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 24, 2011 5:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

dependish

Are those the poo bombs?

by meetyourmako on Aug 24, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

we can only hope

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 24, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

According to my son, and that was his answer above, he said yes and they are actually making something similar (it’s in development) and he wouldnt’ consider it a machine gun any longer.

And he wouldn’t want to be in its way cause it shoots really fast.

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by Angy on Aug 23, 2011 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Androids are make-believe, robots are real and dangerous.

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by Megalodon on Aug 23, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

What about this thing?

It is that thing that I sent to you.

by whine_country on Aug 23, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Robonauts are in their own category.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Sure, astronaut, go outside into the expansive void of space. I’ll help you. I’m your friend, remember?”

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by RudyKelly on Aug 23, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

“I’m afraid I can’t let you do that, Dave.”

by meetyourmako on Aug 23, 2011 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course, naming it R2 makes it seem a lot more competent and friendly.

by meetyourmako on Aug 23, 2011 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno — R2D2 had a ton of functions, which were all incredibly usable. This poor robonaut already has great potential to be a huge letdown.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now I’m starting to wonder, why didn’t R2D2 talk? I mean, it could produce voice sounds in its recording and replay, and it certainly understood what everybody had to say. It doesn’t seem like a terrible stretch that it could just figure out how to talk audibly by combining a few recorded sounds and be understood instead of all the stupid whistle-blowing “You tell ’em, C3PO!”. :)

I should let it go, as R2’s awesome, but all of a sudden that’s bothersome.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Becuase if they let R2 talk, it would have gotten an ‘R’ rating for all of the curse words.

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by kk_gizmo on Aug 24, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

my guess a scene he might have did a lot of cursing was when him and a couple of buddies were trying to repair padme’s ship and they were getting picked off my gun fire…

he would have said “holy shit..I signed up for this shit?”

or when he zapped the ewok…"break yo-self bitch "

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 24, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or when he’s attached to an X-Wing and gets shot.

“FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKK!!!!”

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 24, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

no doubt he would have told c3po to shut the fuck up..a couple times..or stop being a bitch

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 24, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought R2D2 did talk. Doesn’t everybody understand him? Luke did, didn’t he?

by meetyourmako on Aug 24, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

When R2 was in the X-Wing, I think he sent texts to Luke. But Luke only understood basic things outside of that.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 24, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

luke said “what the hell is LMAO?”…stupid driod language

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 24, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

On Degobah they were talking all the time. I guess Luke didn’t understand him any better than the audience, though.

by meetyourmako on Aug 24, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but it was always shit like, “You said coming here was a bad idea; I’m starting to agree with you” and “Let that Munchkin have that granola bar, R2!” — nothing really requiring responses.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 24, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

True. R2D2 is kind of a combination pet/swiss-army knife.

by meetyourmako on Aug 24, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

And now I’m starting to see him as a bit of a snob who just chooses not to talk understandably. What a jerk!

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 24, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s too cool for words.

by meetyourmako on Aug 24, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

C3PO always translated for R2… it was Chewy that everybody could understand for no good reason.

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by Evilducks on Aug 24, 2011 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

This poor robonaut already has great potential to be a huge letdown.
R2 was jointly developed and built by NASA and General Motors engineers

:)

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by whine_country on Aug 23, 2011 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where have you been ?

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by Angy on Aug 23, 2011 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uhhh...me?

Been reading fairly regularly, but not commenting. That trend will probably continue, despite today’s activity.

Pause for the reader’s (read: Rudy’s) celebratory action

Otherwise, just living the dream. I am glad that exhibition games are less than a month away.

Thanks for asking. Hope everyone is swell.

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by whine_country on Aug 24, 2011 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why not commenting?

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by Angy on Aug 24, 2011 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, one reason was realizing that this comment makes it 1,637 (combined) in roughly three months of SBN activity*. With such a surprisingly (to me) high number and an extremely high percentage being really shitty puns/jokes/GIFs, it felt like time to back off.

* – that doesn’t include all of those fucking votes for a certain robot story, either

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by whine_country on Aug 24, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

But we love that stuff! I usually save this stuff for Teemu, but

One more year!
One more year!
One more year!

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 24, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

But we love that stuff!

Speak for yourself, I’m sure… :)

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by whine_country on Aug 24, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I sometimes refer to this blog as the Battle of Shitty Puns.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 24, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

its been battle of grammar and books lately…very thrilling

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 24, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I mean, without shitty puns, there would have been zero Ziggy comics. It’s like 45% of my overall content.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 24, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I sometimes refer to this blog as the Battle of Shitty Puns.

The puns just aren’t as shitty without you, whine! You’ve gotta come back!

by meetyourmako on Aug 24, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

whine…stop whining and start fuckin commenting again…before i cock slap you

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 24, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

i meant that in the most tough love affectionate way..

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Aug 24, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hooray!

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 24, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Then don’t look at how many comments I’ve made – plus the almost 10,000 I made with my other username. :)

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by Angy on Aug 24, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Angy’s other username is “Biggest Canucks Fan Ever!” :)

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 24, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is just insulting! I’m not even sure Canucks fans shower.

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by Angy on Aug 24, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

They shower in looted goods and carfire ash.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 24, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Your words to Terry Murray's ears...
hockey isn’t about taking the most shots on net to win a game, it’s about taking the right shots on net to win a game

TM has openly stated that the Kings have the objective of getting the puck to the net 60 times a game. For that alone, TM (and the staff he’s polluted) should be fired. He’s as analytical and sophisticated as a brick-wall.

by soccersucks on Aug 23, 2011 6:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Hmmph! I’ll have you know I’ve met some very sophisticated brick walls. Good day, Sir!

by meetyourmako on Aug 23, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

tl:dr

I actually did till I got to the jump, then my eyes got wide and I went and did something else. I’m not sure I could put those numbers to anything conclusive enough for my mind to grasp, and I usually only care about the L column for the ducks anyway.

by Dermal Denticles on Aug 23, 2011 6:28 PM PDT reply actions  

That’s fine — the caveats before the jump make for some useful reading, I think.

www.battleofcali.com

by Earl Sleek on Aug 23, 2011 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Earl

You’re blinding me with science

The more you drink, the less gruesome I look.
Barca Blaugranes- SB Nation's FC Barcelona blog
@shadowking011

by Paul Udani on Aug 24, 2011 3:57 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

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