Point/Counterpoint, Featuring OC Register Columnist Jeff Miller
by RudyKelly on Jan 3, 2012 10:31 PM PST
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PrintSo now, General Manager Bob Murray needs to make a real deal, a genuinely impactful one, a move that signals the start of reloading for next season because, let's all admit it, this season is a goner.
He needs to trade ... Ryan Getzlaf.
Counterpoint:
Hahahahahaha you're really dumb.
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“Hey we suck, lets make ourselves shittier!”
Trading your best player is exactly what you should do. Please make it happen. (But don’t be last overall, please)
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
He’s not our best player, though. Trails old man Selanne by 11 points and has the worst plus-minus on the team.
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he trails joe thorton by 5 pts…thats all i care about..hopefully he gets traded to some east powerhouse and racks up the pts..so I can get my Mcninja t-shirt… i might need it bigger..I splurged during the holidays…ohhh fat spade
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jan 4, 2012 5:33 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
he trails joe thorton by 5 pts
Muahahahahaha!
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He’s your best player. Not best stats this season.
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
by Nut on Jan 4, 2012 7:21 AM PST up reply actions
Then you should have kept Lupul
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
by Nut on Jan 4, 2012 8:04 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Depends on what they could get for them.
I ask you Duck fans, if you could get a Mike Richards-esque return for Getzlaf would you trade him? Because I know a lot of Kings fans that weren’t happy with that trade. Well I don’t actually know any Kings fans but I read on the internet at the time that some were unhappy with the deal.
I don’t think he needs to be traded, but dang it get the C off his chest. Cause on Getzlaf it stands for Contemptible.
I have now adopted this as my mission in life to see the C ripped off. Join me, your support is greatly needed.
Let's go Ducks.
but
Are his best years already behind him? More than likely. Will he get a raise when his contract is up after next year? Yup. He could get Eric Staal money whether he deserves it or not.
He’s a horrible captain, an even strength liability at times. Why not trade him when you could get a huge return? That team needs a shakeup, and trading a still improving goal machine like Bobby Ryan doesn’t make as much sense as this idea.
Unless of course, it means trading Bobby to the Kings.
At 26, he should be entering his prime years about now, with a bit of upside left possibly. If he was a few years older, I might well agree with you.
A case in which I would certainly agree with you: If you think that there are teams that overvalue him, and that you can get more than he’s worth in return. Perhaps there are other teams that think he has more upside left than you do, or that do not see his flaws as clearly as you do? Then it would make sense.
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
Man, if we trade him, I hope it doesn’t bite us in the ass like it did to Boston when they traded away Joe Thornton. Though Boston did get the last laugh when they won the Cup last season.
Yeah, it’s so easy to follow the Boston strategy of Cup acquisition:
1. Trade your best player as he enters his prime for an ok defenseman, an ok forward, and a bad forward.
2. Continue to lose.
3. Fire your GM and coach.
4. Continue to lose.
5. Find a goalie on the other side of 30 on the scrap heap of a Swiss whatever league who magically turns into a Vezina candidate.
6. Sign a Norris-caliber defenseman.
7. Continue to lose.
8. Fire your coach.
9. Reap the rewards of years of losing by having a glut of young cheap talent begin to mature.
10. Win the Cup before your Vezina goalie and Norris defenseman get too old.
Yep, trading away your best player is definitely a good, predictable strategy for winning the Cup.
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by ievans on Jan 4, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
5. Find a goalieon the other side of 30on the scrap heap of a Swiss whatever league who magically turns into a Vezina candidate.
6. Sign a Norris-caliber defenseman.
To be fair, Ducks fans might not realize that these are normally pretty rare things to happen.
by RudyKelly on Jan 4, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I am so goddamn sick of shitty teams like the Blackhawks and Penguins getting championships by sucking ass until they’re handed multiple high draft picks at a time like Crosby/Malkin and Toews/Kane. Who knows, maybe the Oilers have a chance to do the same if they don’t fuck it up.
by meetyourmako on Jan 4, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
The Oilers up until a few seasons ago couldn’t draft for shit, despite being a bad team.
The Sharks only managed to get Patrick Marleau with their high 1st round picks despite being incredibly terrible for a long time. Viktor Kozlov, Pat Falloon, Teemu Fucking Riihijaarvi.
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He was alright, and maybe under the new rules and with someone other than Darryl Sutter as coach he could have turned into a really good player. But instead of Alexei Kovalez 2.0, we got Alexei Morozov Lite.
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Even so, the Sharks have never had top 3 draft picks in consecutive years (excluding their first two as an expansion) and have never had a number 1 overall draft pick.
by meetyourmako on Jan 4, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
i think thats the problem
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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Jan 4, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly.
The 12th overall pick in the ‘95 draft, who wasn’t on any scouting lists, and was in no danger of being selected by any other team. I don’t think he ever came to camp, much less played a single NHL game. He may have been a figment of Chuck Grillo’s imagination, or a character in a Finnish crime serial.
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@shampeon
I get that he may not have been a good choice, but still, having the 12th draft pick is kinda middle of the pack, isn’t it? Not a lottery pick.
Not a lottery pick, but 12th overall gets you Marc Staal or Alex Tanguay. Jarome Iginla was 11th overall that year, and JS Giguere 13th.
It may have gotten you nobody, but to use your 1st rounder on a player who could have easily been available in later rounds is incompetent.
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Yes, a middle-1st rounder should get you, at worst, a legitimate regular player. Not someone who drops off the radar with barely a taste of the NHL. Even the bottom of the first round should get you journeyman-level talent.
Reaching down in the draft rarely works out happily, and part of being a successful GM (especially these days, with the salary cap) is making the most of your picks. One of the things that Lombardi has done pretty well in LA (don’t know how well he did this in SJ) ‘s to get mileage out of his lower-round picks. Loktionov and Voynov may well round out into 1st round-caliber players, but he didn’t use higher-round picks on them because he knew that other GMs weren’t as interested in them.
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
He did pretty well on this regard in San Jose, and put in place a scouting staff that still finds great players in the lower rounds. Pavelski is probably the current poster-boy for this.
Deano was sort of co-GM before ’96, as part of a weird structure with Chuck Grillo. Grillo was VP of player personnel (scouting and trades), and Lombardi VP of player contracts or some such. All part of the unconventional, and stupid, way the franchise was run the first few years.
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Lombardi VP of player contracts or some such.
Interesting. Jeff Solomon holds that job with the Kings now, and he seems to have a higher profile under Dean than seems to be the case with most teams. I wouldn’t call him co-GM, though. It seems to be the scouts, Futa and Yanetti (sp?) who have the most influence on personnel decision, especially drafting.s
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
You forgot one step:
Trade your best scorer to a desperate team for a haul of what will become high draft picks.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jan 4, 2012 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
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