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Sharks Gameday: The 9 Million Dollar Hockey Team

You guys are both way too expensive to be on my team.

There are two things you need to know to understand today's post:

1) There's a chance we could lose part or all of the next NHL season to a lockout. No fan wants that to happen but it's a grim possibility.

2) I am soon going to be very very wealthy. Once I conclude my business with Mr. Peter CHANG Lee I will be receiving 50 percent of 19 millions, 5 hundred thousand United State dollars. My calculator tells me that equals: LOW BATT.

Wait, no. Hold on.

$9,750,000. That's how much money I'll be getting from this deal. And if I somehow manage to NOT spend it all on jet skis and cocaine, I can't imagine a better use for the money than starting my own hockey team.

So even though I don't think the NHL is going to be dumb enough to lose another season to a lockout (knock on graphite composite) let's assume for a moment that the worst happens. No NHL in 2012-2013. All those NHL players unemployed.

And me, with 9 million dollars to spend and a blistering cocaine high.

Let's make a hockey team!

Star-divide

Here are the rules:

1) I have $9,750,000 to spend to put together a hockey roster.

2) I will pay players what they were paid in the 11-12 season, including their base salary plus performance bonuses (but not signing bonuses).

3) Since trying to fill a full roster is impossible (the average player salary would be lower than the NHL minimum salary) I'll go for two forward lines, four defensemen, and one goalie. This should be more than enough for my team to play exhibition matches or enter tournaments or paint my house or carry me around on a big platform like Madonna at the Super Bowl.

4) My team will be called the Piñatas.

I asked Rudy for help with this since he's better at salaries and knowing obscure players on other teams than I am, and he basically picked the entire roster for me. So if you think these choices are awesome or awful it's all his fault.


Top Line

LW Jamie McGinn ($680,000)

C Adam Henrique ($900,000)

RW Jordan Eberle ($1,187,500)

-Jamie McGinn is currently on a weird cheap one-year "prove yourself" contract with the Sharks. He used to score a ton in the minors but has struggled to find any sort of consistency in the NHL. With the recent depletion of the Sharks forward lines, however, McGinn has been given a chance to play more minutes with better players, and already has career highs in goals and points (only 11 goals and 20 points, but still).

-Adam Henrique has seen time on the top line for the Devils this season, and currently has 34 points. Obviously he's the worst man on the line with Parise and Kovalchuk, but he must have some talent if he's able to keep up with those guys. He's doing this as a rookie as well, so there's a lot of potential upside here.

-Jordan Eberle had a strong rookie season last year, with 43 points in 69 games, and this year he's doing even better. He already has 24 goals and 30 assists this season, and the Piñatas are going to count on him to continue his scoring ways. I'm very happy with Jordan Eberle as the highest-paid non-goalie on my team.

Second Line

LW Tyler Ennis ($875,000)

C Frans Nielsen ($550,000)

RW Matt Read ($800,000)

-Tyler Ennis has been hurt for much of this year but scored twenty goals last season in his first full year in the NHL. He's still on his first contract so he's a steal at $875,000.

-Frans Nielsen led the league in short-handed goals last season, and Doug Weight called Nielsen "our best overall player." He's scheduled for a well-deserved pay-raise next season and will be making $2 million - if there isn't a lockout. For our scenario we're going to need Nielsen to be a team player and accept $550,000 for another season.

-Matt Read is another rookie who has been scoring a lot this year. He has 32 points and scored four points in a game earlier this season. He also had an impressive showing in the accuracy event in the All-Star skills competition, which is exactly the same as real hockey.

Defensive Pair 1

D Mike Weaver ($900,000)

D John Carlson ($787,500)

-Mike Weaver is a good defensive defenseman. Seriously, he's actually very good. He doesn't score a lot and he is only 5'9" so people don't notice him and he doesn't make a lot of money, but he's a solid addition to any team. Florida Panthers GM Dale Tallon has signed Weaver for $1.1 million starting next year but we're going to snag the short bastard for his current $900,000.

-John Carlson is 22, scored 37 points last season, has scored 25 points already this season, and only costs $787,500. Welcome aboard!

Defensive Pair 2

D P.K. Subban ($875,000)

D Jason Garrison ($675,000)

-P.K. Suban is in the last year of his entry-level contract, so he's getting paid much less than he is really worth. We are going to continue to underpay him on the Piñatas.

-Jason Garrison is another Panthers defenseman. He's not amazing or anything but he's solid, has thirteen goals this season, and, most importantly, he is cheap.

Goalie

G Tomas Vokoun ($1,500,000)

-In the real NHL it has recently become fashionable to look to reduce the amount of salary spent on goalies, since there isn't a huge difference between a pretty-good starting goalie and an elite starting goalie. While I agree with this reasoning, I also can't pass up the chance to have Tomas Vokoun on my team for only $1,500,000, even if that does make him the highest-paid player on the Piñatas.

With all these players on the roster I am left with exactly $20,000 to spend on a jet ski and team jerseys and stuff.

What do you think? How did I (but really Rudy) do? Can you recommend someone we overlooked? Let us know in the comments.

If you would like to try your hand at making a hockey team for less than $10 million, here is the spreadsheet I used:

9 million dollar hockey team




It turns out I was correct to be somewhat dubious about the Sharks' minor winning streak. In their last two games they've lost to teams that probably won't make the playoffs. Dan Boyle is battling the flu and, even if he plays, won't be 100%. On the positive side the Sharks have been finding ways to score goals, even in losses, so now they just need to get the defense sorted out and hopefully everything will fall into place.

The Blackhawks are a good team, and San Jose would face them if the playoffs started today.

A win would be nice.

Prediction: Two teams worth much more than $9.75 million a piece shoot pucks at each other.

My 31st-favorite movie is Millions. I feel like today's post captured the spirit of that film perfectly.

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Can’t I just use the Islanders as is? This game is easy :)

Seriously, you might be able to. Are you using actual salary or cap hit?

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by Keith Quinn on Feb 10, 2012 5:08 AM PST reply actions  

Isn’t Nabokov playing this year for like three hundred dollars? :)

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by Earl Sleek on Feb 10, 2012 6:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Like 550K

A real bargain. 1/3 the price and possibly better than Megolodon’s “Vokoun”! I wouldn’t go “full Islander”, but they have some tremendous bargains. Andrew MacDonald is also around 550K and playing about 25 minutes per night. Stats don’t show much, but goes against toughest competition.

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by Keith Quinn on Feb 10, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks to concussions, he’s the league’s best Andy Mac this season! :)

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by Earl Sleek on Feb 10, 2012 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

1/3 the price and possibly better than Megolodon’s "Vokoun"!

Nope

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Feb 10, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Despite what this year’s stats say, dammit!

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by Earl Sleek on Feb 10, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Vokoun sucks. I’d put the money in Cory Schneider. save some money on Vokoun and get a better goalie out of the deal

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by 4Kills5 on Feb 10, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

How about Greiss? He’s only $550,000 I think.

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by Megalodon on Feb 10, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

even better. Or Stalock. he is still undefeated in NHL games.

Hail Poseidon!
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by 4Kills5 on Feb 10, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Vokoun’s like the 3rd best goaltender in the league over the last 5 years, you dopes.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Feb 10, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

But Greiss!

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by Megalodon on Feb 10, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

really?

20th: 2011-2012
20th: 2010-2011
16th: 2009-2010
16th: 2008-2009

granted, he is better in the save percentage category than I thought—but 3rd best goalie in the league? crazy talk.

Hail Poseidon!
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by 4Kills5 on Feb 10, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh shit Rudy’s getting schooled.

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by Megalodon on Feb 10, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

’Twas hubris what done him in.

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by ievans on Feb 10, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

GAA is stupid. Florida finished t-22nd, last, and last in shot allowed per game the last 3 years Vokoun was there, that’s why his GAA is average. Washington is 18th this year. Even-strength save percentage, last 4 years:

Vokoun
11-12: .929
10-11: .919
09-10: .937
08-09: .935

Luongo
11-12: .929
10-11: .934
09-10: .925
08-09: .936

Lundqvist
11-12: .944
10-11: .930
09-10: .929
08-09: .920

Hiller
11-12: .909
10-11: .934
09-10: .930
08-09: .934

Thomas
11-12: .938
10-11: .947
09-10: .913
08-09: .940

Sorry, he’s probably 4th behind Thomas, Lundqvist & Luongo.

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by RudyKelly on Feb 10, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Rudy's right

Vokoun is really good. You can’t hold poor team defence against him.

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by JaysfanDL on Feb 10, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

He doesn’t get to play behind the Islanders mighty blueline, true. :)

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by Earl Sleek on Feb 10, 2012 12:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Fair, but I think you have to let both stats into the equation. If a team gives up more shots per game then his save percentage is naturally going to be higher, but not necessarily his GAA.

if one goalie faces 40 shots and makes 2 mistakes his percentage is higher than one who only makes a single mistake but faces 18 shots. This is assuming that the goaltender had a chacne to save every shot as well (there are some goals that god himself wouldn’t be able to stop going in.)

Plus, if you are facing alot more shots, that doesn’t mean they are good chances. there can be alot of garbage shots that hit off the goalies pads without him moving that up his save percentage. Just like how a goalie who doesn’t face as many shots because of a terrible defense ups his GAA.

I think you have to take both stats into consideration. Lundqvist, Thomas, Luongo, (and Rinne?) are usually up there in the leader in both categories

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by 4Kills5 on Feb 10, 2012 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Vokoun is awesome no doubt about it.

Vishnovsky still sucks on defense.

by ScottyKnows on Feb 10, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay so let’s say we went with Nabokov instead of Vokoun. Where should we put the extra money? We could do a pretty solid upgrade with that cash.

"The beating hearts of other creatures are like needles in my brain. Only once I have silenced them all will I have peace." -Owen Nolan
Battle of California

by Megalodon on Feb 10, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Only $8K for one! Can you believe it?

"The beating hearts of other creatures are like needles in my brain. Only once I have silenced them all will I have peace." -Owen Nolan
Battle of California

by Megalodon on Feb 10, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Coke for everybody!

by Khaaz on Feb 10, 2012 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly my point!

If we have to play this cheap-ass team, we should at least have some left over for cocaine and jet skis. Or get some scoring forwards or something.

Neil Smith @bigdealneil94 @KeithLHHockey @craigjbutton hey keith GFY
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 11, 2012 5:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Actual base salary plus performance bonuses, not cap hit.

The Piñatas are better than the Islanders.

"The beating hearts of other creatures are like needles in my brain. Only once I have silenced them all will I have peace." -Owen Nolan
Battle of California

by Megalodon on Feb 10, 2012 7:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Blackhawks suck

Hail Poseidon!
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by 4Kills5 on Feb 10, 2012 6:51 AM PST reply actions  

I was depressed when I heard that Gomez finally scored, but then I headed over to didgomezscore.com and that cheered me up.

Hail Poseidon!
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by 4Kills5 on Feb 10, 2012 6:53 AM PST reply actions  

wait

what happened to isabelle camel?

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by rexthejet on Feb 10, 2012 7:57 AM PST reply actions  

She wanted me to give the money to charity or some shit. It wasn’t worth the trouble.

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by Megalodon on Feb 10, 2012 8:15 AM PST up reply actions  

i think with a name

like the pinatas, your going to be a charity case.

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by rexthejet on Feb 10, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s fine.

And please, it’s Piñatas.

"The beating hearts of other creatures are like needles in my brain. Only once I have silenced them all will I have peace." -Owen Nolan
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by Megalodon on Feb 10, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

GO SHARKS!

That sounds like a fun little exercise. Might have to see what I come up with this weekend.

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by Angy on Feb 10, 2012 8:48 AM PST reply actions  

The best work you’ve ever done!

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Feb 10, 2012 9:38 AM PST reply actions  

Over on Hockey’s Future, they’re outraged that Kopitar only managed 1 measly point against someone like Mike Weaver. I am too! Coincidentally, I haven’t watched hockey in 4 years.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Feb 10, 2012 11:39 AM PST reply actions  

My Team: Bombers

1st Unit:
LW: Jamie Benn – $850,000 (PPG player)
C: Logan Couture – $1,212,500 (Obviously)
RW: Jordan Eberle – $1,187,500 (Avoiding Sophmore jinx in big way)
D: John Carlson – $875,000 (hard to argue with meg’s pick)
D: Mike Weaver – $900,000 (Ditto)

2nd Unit:
LW: Jamie McGinn – $680,000 (Gritty, Drives the Net)
C: Adam Henrique – $900,000 (PK ability and more offensive accumen than Nielsen)
RW: Matt Read – $800,000 (Budding 2nd line sniper)
D: P.K. Subban – $875,000 (sky is the limit as far as potential goes)
D: Jason Garrison – $700,000 (solid production for cheap price)

G: Brian Elliott – $600,000 (Ride the hot hand, goalies dont deserve big investments)

The defense is exactly the same, i could have dropped Garrison for Del Zotto, but that cuts into the cocaine fund.

I think the forwards have more offensive firepower in this grouping, yet still have the ability to play some D and be respectable on the PK.

Total Price tag: $9,580,000

"Its not so much me as it is Roenick, hes good" - Vince Vaughn

"Its not so much Kontos as it is me, I'm good." - Angryjay93

by angryjay93 on Feb 10, 2012 12:25 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Ah fuck, forgot Jamie Benn.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Feb 10, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Dropping Henrique for Nielsen opens the door for Skinner to take McGinn’s spot.

Then you lose out on the coke fund AND the jet ski, to steep a price for my taste.

"Its not so much me as it is Roenick, hes good" - Vince Vaughn

"Its not so much Kontos as it is me, I'm good." - Angryjay93

by angryjay93 on Feb 10, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

My original team started with Couture and Greiss, but I moved away from them in the end.

This is a good team.

"The beating hearts of other creatures are like needles in my brain. Only once I have silenced them all will I have peace." -Owen Nolan
Battle of California

by Megalodon on Feb 10, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah your team would probably beat the Piñatas.

"The beating hearts of other creatures are like needles in my brain. Only once I have silenced them all will I have peace." -Owen Nolan
Battle of California

by Megalodon on Feb 10, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

beat the Piñatas

Of course that’s the whole point of a Piñata.

"The beating hearts of other creatures are like needles in my brain. Only once I have silenced them all will I have peace." -Owen Nolan
Battle of California

by Megalodon on Feb 10, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

lmao, i didn’t even put that together until now. Thank you for making it obvious for me.

by Khaaz on Feb 10, 2012 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey Meg...

I’d go for the jet skis and cocaine

by HaroldRamis on Feb 10, 2012 12:56 PM PST reply actions  

$9.75 million can buy approximately 487 kilos of cocaine or 1218 jetskis.

"The beating hearts of other creatures are like needles in my brain. Only once I have silenced them all will I have peace." -Owen Nolan
Battle of California

by Megalodon on Feb 10, 2012 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Also here is the most elegantly-phrased way to ask how to do coke:

How does one snort cocaine?

"The beating hearts of other creatures are like needles in my brain. Only once I have silenced them all will I have peace." -Owen Nolan
Battle of California

by Megalodon on Feb 10, 2012 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Not that I’ve ever snorted cocaine before, but 487 kilos seems like overkill.

Just sayin.

"Its not so much me as it is Roenick, hes good" - Vince Vaughn

"Its not so much Kontos as it is me, I'm good." - Angryjay93

by angryjay93 on Feb 10, 2012 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

If the jet ski thing falls through, atleast theres enough coke there to believe you’re jet skiing around the pool of cocaine

"Its not so much me as it is Roenick, hes good" - Vince Vaughn

"Its not so much Kontos as it is me, I'm good." - Angryjay93

by angryjay93 on Feb 10, 2012 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

You’re not taking into account the volume pricing. Talk to Salvatore at Discount Coke Barn (“Snorting Good Deals since 1981!”). I’m sure he could get you at least 500 Ks.

You might need to factor in a deviated septum surgery or three.

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by ievans on Feb 10, 2012 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

More serendipity!

Max Silvestri’s excellent review of Blue Seduction, starring Billy Zane’s wig, with this gem:

When You Should Watch It: when tied to the chair, about to be raped to death for the cocaine insurance.

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by ievans on Feb 10, 2012 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

you know what would be a real challenge? making a team under 10 million without using a single entry level contract. Now that team would be a serious pinata.

I know pinata needs a squiggly line in there ok!? But I dont have access to Spade’s keyboard.

"Its not so much me as it is Roenick, hes good" - Vince Vaughn

"Its not so much Kontos as it is me, I'm good." - Angryjay93

by angryjay93 on Feb 10, 2012 1:26 PM PST reply actions  

Just copy-paste what I wrote. That’s what I do every time.

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Battle of California

by Megalodon on Feb 10, 2012 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Piñatas.

BOOM!!!

"Its not so much me as it is Roenick, hes good" - Vince Vaughn

"Its not so much Kontos as it is me, I'm good." - Angryjay93

by angryjay93 on Feb 10, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

There you go. That’s just how real Mexicans do it.

"The beating hearts of other creatures are like needles in my brain. Only once I have silenced them all will I have peace." -Owen Nolan
Battle of California

by Megalodon on Feb 10, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I’d start by looking at guys who signed contracts right around training camp, I’d guess. And guys like John Madden who signed even later.

Wouldn’t be a knock-out team, but it’d fit.

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by Earl Sleek on Feb 10, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, looks like you can cobble together a perfectly cromulent team.

Unit 1:
LW: Max Pacioretty – $1,250,000
C: David Desharnais – $850,000
RW: Cal Clutterbuck – $1,500,000
D: Mike Weaver – $900,000
D: Jason Garrison – $700,000

Unite 2:
LW: Jamie McGinn – $680,000
C: Frans Nielsen – $525,000
RW: Matt Read – $900,000
D: Cody Franson – $800,000
D: Sean O’Donnell – $850,000

G: Evgeni Nabokov – $570,000

Total Price: $9,775,000

Still enough for the jetski and a little blow on the side.

"Its not so much me as it is Roenick, hes good" - Vince Vaughn

"Its not so much Kontos as it is me, I'm good." - Angryjay93

by angryjay93 on Feb 10, 2012 3:09 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You:

Total Price: $9,775,000

Me:

$9,750,000. That’s how much money I’ll be getting from this deal.

That’s over budget buddy, unless you are planning on SELLING coke to make up the difference.

"The beating hearts of other creatures are like needles in my brain. Only once I have silenced them all will I have peace." -Owen Nolan
Battle of California

by Megalodon on Feb 10, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

If you would like to try your hand at making a hockey team for less than $10 million, here is the spreadsheet I used:

So many rules!!!

My math on Read was wrong, hes $800,000. Which means I’m at $9,675,000.

Looks like ill be CONSUMING coke, thank you very much.

"Its not so much me as it is Roenick, hes good" - Vince Vaughn

"Its not so much Kontos as it is me, I'm good." - Angryjay93

by angryjay93 on Feb 10, 2012 3:24 PM PST reply actions  

Looks like ill be CONSUMING coke, thank you very much.

But for only briefly, then ill be SELLING myself for more coke.

"Its not so much me as it is Roenick, hes good" - Vince Vaughn

"Its not so much Kontos as it is me, I'm good." - Angryjay93

by angryjay93 on Feb 10, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah alright good job.

"The beating hearts of other creatures are like needles in my brain. Only once I have silenced them all will I have peace." -Owen Nolan
Battle of California

by Megalodon on Feb 10, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Matt Read’s not entry-level? Weird.

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by Earl Sleek on Feb 10, 2012 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Hooray!

"The beating hearts of other creatures are like needles in my brain. Only once I have silenced them all will I have peace." -Owen Nolan
Battle of California

by Megalodon on Feb 11, 2012 1:03 AM PST reply actions  

WIN!!

So in celebration of the new job I was offered, I bought two tickets to tonight’s game. Not an easy thing to do when it’s sold out and everyone you email says they sold their tickets already. Finally 3 hours before game time I find tickets.

Nevermind I want one, but have to buy two. Searching for someone to go to a game with me last minute isn’t easy either. But managed that.

So Sharks are up 2-0 – yay! Hawks score and she goes “it would be interesting if they tie it up” … UGH! I’m blaming her Montreal upbringing for her warped sense of humor. I did not find the Hawks tying it to be interesting at all. Nor interesting when they tied it up again.

She’s banned from coming with me to a game again.

GO SHARKS!
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